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Courtesy of today's newspaper, here a season's greetings card from 1940s Finland
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I am very interested in that tank's suspension
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Apr 15, 2017 18:29
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Ensign Expendable posted:Yeah, if the plane comes back without some bits, they weren't important anyway. The planes that lost the important bits didn't come back. Although if you read the paper the actual conclusion is a fairly straightforward 'the worst thing that can happen to a plane is if the pilot gets killed, prioritise protecting him if you can'.
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Apr 15, 2017 18:37
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Ensign Expendable posted:Yeah, if the plane comes back without some bits, they weren't important anyway. The planes that lost the important bits didn't come back. Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Wald
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Apr 15, 2017 18:51
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GotLag posted:I am very interested in that tank's suspension I think it's Spring based
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Apr 15, 2017 20:13
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Nenonen posted:I think it's Spring based And the cross beam only lasts 3 days worth of operation.
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Apr 15, 2017 21:33
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Tree Bucket posted:I was wincing the whole time I read that. An awful lot of historical sword duels ended with the "winner" dying hours or a day later from a punctured lung, blood loss, etc.. Swords are basically big knives, and rule #2 of a knife fight is that the winner is just the last to lose. (Rule #1 is that you're going to get cut, deal with it. Rule #0 is bring a gun) JaucheCharly posted:I'm sort of wondering if it's possible to present these things in a fashion that's recognisable to the general audience and be somewhat authentic. We have a century of cinematography telling people that they basically can hide behind car doors when somebody shoots at them, or people drop dead when you shoot or stab them, etc. The best example (or at least the most memorable one for me) is that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Indy shoots several Nazis in a line with one bullet from the Luger he took from the guy in front. In a similar vein, my father once laughed out loud at one scene in a Chuck Norris movie -- probably Delta Force -- when they were shooting a brick wall with a Ma Deuce and it was just leaving deep craters in the wall. When Dad did that IRL, each .50 round took out half a brick. (Dad laughed at a lot of scenes in that movie, but over more esoteric "that's not how they actually do it" sort of things.) Ensign Expendable posted:Yeah, if the plane comes back without some bits, they weren't important anyway. The planes that lost the important bits didn't come back. Nenonen posted:I think it's Spring based  Edit: on accurate war movies, Master and Commander is pretty good -- they cast young teenagers as midshipmen/lieutenants, for one. The foley work is also great -- they borrowed a 12-pounder gun from a collector and put up a whole lot of mics along the path of the ball, so all the gunfire is the real thing. Cf the big climactic shootout in Heat, where the sound guy tried and tried to do that scene and the gunfire just didn't sound real enough, and finally Michael Mann told him to just use the audio from the filming of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW0yebyGk-8&t=241s There's the bit about the sound, but watch the whole thing, it's great. Not a military movie per se, but it's the standard we all want in military movies -- they had Andy McNab train the robbers and cops train the cops, the actors actually cased the joint IRL, and they built a mockup on the range and rehearsed it with live ammo before going downtown and filming it with blanks. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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Apr 15, 2017 22:59
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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quote:The best example (or at least the most memorable one for me) is that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where Indy shoots several Nazis in a line with one bullet from the Luger he took from the guy in front. Surely that overstated the 9mm's penetration properties.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:20
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Master And Commander is great and I am saddened the next movie seems to spent just as much time at sea now in development hell. It always amuses me how washed up the mostly doomed older Midshipmen in the Hornblower TV series actually are too.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:20
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Fangz posted:Surely that overstated the 9mm's penetration properties. Seems about right for the 7.65x21 version, though. Counterpoint to Heat and Master and Commander, bad movie gunfire sound is bad, e.g. every minigun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgzxSr6l9Y4&t=68s That's just the M16 sound dropped an octave with an electric motor whine. A Minigun actually sounds like a bass chainsaw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d84r8gMGxFQ&t=36s The grenade launcher in the predator clip is just as bad. IRL the sound is kinda disappointing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm8qcspCOyc&t=52s (starts at the one shown in the movie, but later the M79 and 203 are shown. also lol the hand grenade practice structure at 3:41, designed so that if the trainee throws the pin and drops the grenade, the instructor can bodyslam him/her over the low wall in back to safety. Because that happens more often than you'd think.) Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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Apr 15, 2017 23:22
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GotLag posted:There are a lot more amputations now that soldiers are wearing body armour (without the armour they'd have been fatalities instead). This doesn't make any sense to me though, unless they've started rolling out full body armor kits. Every photo I've ever seen of US soldiers suggests that all the armor is all (sensibly) around the torso, and you're not going to amputate someone's torso.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:33
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Somebody gets blown up with an IED. Without armour they catch shrapnel over their entire body and die. With armour their vitals are protected and they live, but one or more of their limbs are still destroyed.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:36
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Ah, yeah that makes sense.
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Apr 15, 2017 23:42
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Ensign Expendable posted:Maus in the USSR NEW This seems like it could be interesting. Also it got the Beatles song stuck in my head, drat you.
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Apr 16, 2017 00:02
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I got Springsteen.
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Delivery McGee posted:Seems about right for the 7.65x21 version, though. Plus everyone fires from the hip in that movie. The Lone Badger posted:Somebody gets blown up with an IED. Without armour they catch shrapnel over their entire body and die. With armour their vitals are protected and they live, but one or more of their limbs are still destroyed. A lot of the amputees were also from IED's hitting vehicles in which they were being transported.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Master And Commander is great and I am saddened the next movie seems to spent just as much time at sea now in development hell. It always amuses me how washed up the mostly doomed older Midshipmen in the Hornblower TV series actually are too. That movie is great and I always thought it criminal there was only one when it should at least be a trilogy. I didn't even realize there was a sequel in development considering it's been longer than the duration of the Napoleonic wars since the first came out.
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OwlFancier posted:I got Springsteen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p8spiM11tY The Leningrad Cowboys, by the way, are Finns who sang in Russian accents in the '80s to make fun of the fading USSR; now they do shows with the Russian Army choir. Pretty  , considering the history of Finland vs. USSR.Pontius Pilate posted:I didn't even realize there was a sequel in development Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Apr 16, 2017 00:25
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SeanBeansShako posted:Master And Commander is great and I am saddened the next movie seems to spent just as much time at sea now in development hell. It always amuses me how washed up the mostly doomed older Midshipmen in the Hornblower TV series actually are too.
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Apr 16, 2017 01:24
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HEY GAIL posted:master and commander was loving rad All those boarding fights so good
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Apparently it was either a flop or however Hollywood calls a low-grossing movie: $150 million budget, $210 worldwide gross. It would be a pleasant surprise if we ever saw a sequel.
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Apr 16, 2017 01:55
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PittTheElder posted:This doesn't make any sense to me though, unless they've started rolling out full body armor kits. Every photo I've ever seen of US soldiers suggests that all the armor is all (sensibly) around the torso, and you're not going to amputate someone's torso. this is like something KenM would post on a USA Today puff piece about soldiers getting new body armor
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Apr 16, 2017 02:22
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SeanBeansShako posted:All those boarding fights so good
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Apr 16, 2017 03:39
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Master and Commander is my vote for best historical movie. It looks like it wasn't necessarily so much that the movie flopped (although it wasn't the success the studio hoped it would be) http://collider.com/master-and-commander-2-sequel-russell-crowe/
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How does one nation successfully defend against guerrilla warfare, whether it be urban or remote? What are some excellent strategies against, say the intifada, taliban, FARC or the IRA for instance?
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Apr 16, 2017 04:26
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Ultimately address what's convincing people to go fight. The recent negotiated settlement with FARC is a good example of this. The efforts in Muslim communities to short circuit extremist recruiting are another.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Ultimately address what's convincing people to go fight. The recent negotiated settlement with FARC is a good example of this. The efforts in Muslim communities to short circuit extremist recruiting are another. I'd say there's some kind of combination with warfare oriented approaches here, since there's very little incentive to sit at the negotiating table if you're winning.
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Define "winning" For most rebel groups that's not dying and being enough of a nuisance that they want to talk to you. Yeah, win big enough and you are Castro and Che marching on Havana. Congrats you get to be the new government. Lose big enough and you get to be the Tamil Tigers or any of the others who got outright squashed. Remember this isn't just negotiations to get the leadership to pack it in its also addressing the underlying issues that make people go join them. The spectacularly unsuccessful counter insurgent operations are the ones where there is widespread support for them and the powers that be either can't or won't address the larger issues (e.g. Batista)
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Cyrano4747 posted:Define "winning" Yeah, and not all these kinds of insurgent or rebel groups share objectives, or even the same species of objectives as well.
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Disinterested posted:Yeah, and not all these kinds of insurgent or rebel groups share objectives, or even the same species of objectives as well. Which helps governments a lot. Hive off the people who want a school or three and flush toilets in the village and either make the ideological hard core irrelevant or weak enough to kill off outright.
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"Hearts and minds" is a joke because of how badly it gets implemented but it really is the core of a good counter insurgent strategy. The kicker that often makes it gently caress up is you need to be willing to address what is turning the rebels against you in the first place.
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Delivery McGee posted:
Way Of The Gun has some really good gunplay in it as well. The director's brother was a SEAL and did a lot of the choreography and gun handling work with the actors, and it shows the difference between cover and concealment. The only downside is that you have to put up with Juliette Lewis playing the most annoying Maguffin ever. On the plus side, it's Sarah Silverman's best role.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Apparently it was either a flop or however Hollywood calls a low-grossing movie: $150 million budget, $210 worldwide gross. It would be a pleasant surprise if we ever saw a sequel. I bet if it made some poo poo up about him fighting the Ottomans it would sell like crazy in the US but nowadays there's China to consider and who knows what they like in their naval battle movies. E: like seriously some pap about Maturin getting captured by ottoman slave galleys and Aubrey having to find him, boom summer blockbuster in the US because holy gently caress this country goes insane for "white people fighting brown horde" movies and this will have an extra freedom component.
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FAUXTON posted:I bet if it made some poo poo up about him fighting the Ottomans it would sell like crazy in the US but nowadays there's China to consider and who knows what they like in their naval battle movies. I assume sinking Japanese ships.
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Apr 16, 2017 07:09
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Delivery McGee posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p8spiM11tY RIP Alexandrov Ensemble. They were on the plane crash over the Black Sea last Christmas.
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Cyrano4747 posted:"Hearts and minds" is a joke because of how badly it gets implemented[...] Are there cases where it has worked? This has me really curious now.
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Phanatic posted:Way Of The Gun .... On the plus side, it's Sarah Silverman's best role.
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I finally caught up on this thread and I want to thank y'all for recommending Poilu and Storm of Steel, they're both excellent books. I just think I read them in the wrong order because I read Poilu first and it seems odd going from a horrifying account of WW1 to a relatively upbeat and gung ho account from Storm of Steel. Does anyone have any recommendations for other WW1 books? Doesn't necessarily have to be a personal account like those two, I would definitely be interested in more of a history of the western front. Regarding movie chat, one of my favorites is Downfall aka Der Untergang. I have no idea if it's historically accurate in the slightest but I don't really care. I liked it because how narrow the scope of the movie is. It's just the last 10 days of Hitler and set mostly in the fuhrerbunker. If anything it shows just how pathetic Hitler was by 1945.
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I think everyone knows Der Runtergang from this famous clip https://youtu.be/Va6I5YagNDc
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