|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:I love that event. Leif the Filly Fiddler was a good soldier (till he ate an axe, anyway) Ah, the inevitable end of all soldiers in this game. One thing that has started to annoy me is me being ambushed by undead/demons that I'm actively chasing down. I know they are there, I'm pursuing them, how in the hell do they surround me.
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 22:35
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 9, 2024 23:35 |
|
|
dhamster posted:Are there no forest towns in your map seed? I've had a bowyer who is level 11 and over 100 days without that event triggering. When I went to retire the endgame message had a paragraph about how he was the best bowyer who created masterpiece bows for kids to win tournaments with.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 22:48
|
|
|
Haha I tried to rescue some loving militia from orcs. The orcs got super high-morale rage boners from effortlessly ripping apart the padded-cloth militiamen then just sauntered on down and nonchalantly murdered all of my people too.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 23:02
|
|
|
Clark Nova posted:Haha I tried to rescue some loving militia from orcs. The orcs got super high-morale rage boners from effortlessly ripping apart the padded-cloth militiamen then just sauntered on down and nonchalantly murdered all of my people too. I had an contract to defend a town from bandits. I killed the first wave, then the second wave ran into a caravan and I joined the guards...Turned out they didn't need help, there were 8 guards with really fancy armor and weapons, better than mine even. They just steamrolled the bandits without much help.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 23:13
|
|
|
Monks are another good background for that list. High resolve and a lot of event impact. Earlier I had a good one where my monk and cultist started arguing. I decided not to break it up, and the monk sergeant beat the poo poo out of the cultist. The cultist enjoyed the beating and said it proved there was darkness in everyone. -1 resolve to monk and +2 resolve (and a broken arm) to cultist. Pissant Peasants is my company name, and I laugh every time some noble says it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 23:23
|
|
|
grrarg posted:Pissant Peasants is my company name, and I laugh every time some noble says it. Stolen!
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 23:24
|
|
|
Wizard Styles posted:Absolutely worth keeping a stack of lumber and a lovely Bowyer around for, though: Even the real ones aren't all that amazing now that they've added war bows to the game. If I'm correct in thinking that they don't roll random stats like a unique item would, then it's +5 max damage, +10% vs armor, and +5% chance to hit.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 23:25
|
|
|
Ok, I've put the first few chunks of the draft guide up on Steam here: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198024054503/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=365360 Still very much a work in progress, as you can see from all the blank sections, but enough of it's there to start generating some feedback. Please take a look if/when y'all get a chance and let me know what you think. Target audience is new players not playing Ironman.
|
|
#
?
Apr 16, 2017 23:41
|
|
|
I think its a good guide for new players, personally I am not a huge fan of flails, (I seem to have wretched luck). Right now I think I will say some personal preferences, 4 Two Handers, two with Greatswords and two with the two hand hammers 4 Shield Bro's with a mix of weapons, two of these guys are built as hammers and two are built as axemen although both have backup spears, plus my replacements/reserves of suboptimal, but interesting background brothers rotate here Behind the shield bro's 4 Archers armed with Warbows, one of the archers is my sergeant and if I need him too he will set down his bow and pull our his banner to start rallying guys if they start wavering. I took about 3 casualties, but this group managed to rout ~40ish orcs and goblins in a recent battle when I got jumped waiting for some armor to repair on a ~raid enemy camp~ mission to rescue prisoners. I will admit I save scummed, because the first attempt mace orks got lucky and stun locked most of my two handers, while my shield bros and archers pivoted to fight of the goblin wolfriders and ambushers coming in on the flank. On the plus side I got a free level 5 sellsword to join from the prisoners. Another perk I experimented with this time around was giving nimble to my archers, which I think was smart if the enemy manages to plink them they have a ~50% chance or better of the hit just glancing on top of the difficulty of hitting them while behind a shield bro. It jumped up their durability significantly and I can leave them in light armor/helms so they don't get vision penalties. This would work even better if I could ever run into the direwolf armor poo poo. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Apr 17, 2017 |
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 00:26
|
|
|
Jack2142 posted:
Yeah this is a really good point, worth adding, thanks. 2 Greatswords / 2 2hHammers seems to be a really good split, I've liked it too. One of the still-drafting sections will cover party composition and formations and that'll be in there.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 01:00
|
|
|
This may be known, as I'm newer to the game, but you don't need to wait on choosing Rally the Troops for the Sergeant ambition. I already had it on my bannerbro and it completed itself in less than a day, possibly at midday when other stuff is checked, I don't remember. It's pretty minor but in case someone wants the ability to Rally before the ambition they don't need to sweat it. If you lose your Sergeant can you make another one? EDIT: Also I'm really liking this guide. I've been building my dudes with Student first but have been going more defensive with Steel Brow, Colossus, and/or Shield Mastery for my frontline depending on their stars, but Pathfinder on everyone does seem like a solid idea given how often the ground is hard to cover. Marshes and forests are definitely a pain.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 01:27
|
|
|
Holy poo poo I didn't think of giving throwing weapons to ranged dudes to take out Undead. I assumed they still counted as ranged attacks but if they do full damage that is a game changer for the Auxiliary fights. Those fuckers took out my OG axebro in my first file. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 01:43
|
|
|
Oh, goblins...   Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, I've put the first few chunks of the draft guide up on Steam here: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198024054503/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=365360 Couple things I noticed: You misspell Wiederganger and Nachzehrer at some point. Also might help to note that a Wiederganger is just a zombie (which you do for Nachzehrer/Ghoul). Hedge Knights can also train new recruits. (I don't know how these events work for other backgrounds, but in their case this is specifically limited to low-level bros, and possibly to those that haven't been around for long.) Witchhunters can make antidotes out of Nachzehrer teeth. Not very notable overall but maybe you want to include it for the sake of completeness.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 03:34
|
|
|
Wizard Styles posted:Oh, goblins... Thanks, I'll make those fixes. I remembered someone made something out of the teeth but I couldn't remember what/who, so I appreciate that. I may not be able to include it though due to Steam's bizarre limitations on guide section length.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 03:44
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:Thanks, I'll make those fixes. Witchunters make the poison antidote out of the ghoul teeth, and I think fishermen and rat catchers can make nets, poachers and hunters will sometimes get you game in the forests and wildmen I think will pick up mushrooms.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 04:19
|
|
|
Jack2142 posted:Witchunters make the poison antidote out of the ghoul teeth, and I think fishermen and rat catchers can make nets, poachers and hunters will sometimes get you game in the forests and wildmen I think will pick up mushrooms. Be wary of eating wildman mushrooms. Things can get extremely purple.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 04:23
|
|
|
So what DO the funny mushrooms do?
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 04:29
|
|
|
Locke Dunnegan posted:If you lose your Sergeant can you make another one? There's no actual Sergeant mod your guys get, it's just the sash item you get as a reward for fulfilling the ambition. So if your original Sergeant bites it you can just give the sash (and presumably banner) to someone else. Not sure if there's a way to get the sash back if you lose it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 04:34
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ok, I've put the first few chunks of the draft guide up on Steam here: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198024054503/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=365360 Very nice guide. One question though: Is it really worth it to pick Student as everyone's first level-up right when you're first starting a new game? It makes them level faster, but wouldn't that also make tougher enemies appear more quickly, as a result of the faster leveling? I forget how the difficulty scaling works in this game. Is it based on renown or is it based on the current day or experience level of your guys? In the past, I've only given Student to new recruits later in the game, in a band already full of veterans, just so they will catch up to the rest of the men more quickly. Upon hiring a lvl 1 guy, I'll give him Student and a training hall boost and he'll lvl up really fast that way.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 06:45
|
|
|
I'm pretty sure difficulty scaling is at least partly based on how successful enemy spawn points are. So, indirectly related to the day, insofar as you (and the other merc companies) can only be in one place at a time and everywhere else will slowly escalate.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 07:59
|
|
|
So, I've clocked more hours into this bloody game than anyone I know, and while it's been fun, I have yet to actually complete a crisis. I get to the point where a crisis starts, I take the requisite quests, and then I win one or two battles in a row, before totalled equipment and wounded brothers inevitably lose me one, and a death spiral sets in. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I deck troopers out in mail and chain, remember to use special abilities and use a variety of weapons. For that matter, I rarely get a trooper above lvl 8 and never above lvl 9 before they eat it. How do you keep yours alive?
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 09:04
|
|
|
Two things really, you're taking fights before you're ready (take a day to rest, dammit) and while mail is ok, it's mid tier armour. My guys all have 200 durability head armour and at least 150 on the body. As soon as i can i bump that up to at least 200. All my guys also train up more melee defence just about every level. Getting a dude to higher levels is mainly just a case of me playing more consistently. It's easy to get into the habit of going "nah he's got it, he's my best brother" and then he dies because you've not supported him properly
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 12:32
|
|
|
I consider reinforced hauberks (210 armour) with a 200+ helmet to be an absolute minimum for front liners by the time the first crisis starts, but ideally you already have a good chunk in something heavier.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 12:50
|
|
|
Kenzie posted:Very nice guide. One question though: From what I can tell difficulty is based on renown and calendar date more than on your bro's levels. I could be wrong, but that's another part of the calculation on taking Student on everyone -- get ahead of the curve and make sure you have some level 11 guys by the time the crisis hits. Either way though that's probably the most controversial advice I have in there so I tried to make clear it's optional.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 12:51
|
|
|
Locke Dunnegan posted:Holy poo poo I didn't think of giving throwing weapons to ranged dudes to take out Undead. I assumed they still counted as ranged attacks but if they do full damage that is a game changer for the Auxiliary fights. Those fuckers took out my OG axebro in my first file. Javelins suffer the piercing damage malus against undead however throwing axes are just fine. Remember to bring extras
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 12:53
|
|
|
RabidWeasel posted:I consider reinforced hauberks (210 armour) with a 200+ helmet to be an absolute minimum for front liners by the time the first crisis starts, but ideally you already have a good chunk in something heavier. My first crisis was undead so i didn't really bother going above your typical mail hauberk but now that the second is rolling round, yeah, you need the extra armour
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 12:54
|
|
|
RabidWeasel posted:I consider reinforced hauberks (210 armour) with a 200+ helmet to be an absolute minimum for front liners by the time the first crisis starts, but ideally you already have a good chunk in something heavier. What do you do to afford that? A lot of trade?
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 12:57
|
|
|
Experienced is pooled & distributed evenly across all battle participants, aside from the additional killing stroke bonus, right? Oh also dogs; do the owners get the killing stroke bonus for enemies their dogs kill? Quite a newbie question but I've always assumed and never actually checked
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 13:00
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:What do you do to afford that? A lot of trade? Trade is always useful but I think the most important thing is just not wasting your money. I don't spend money on anything except recruits and armour, with few exceptions (until I want to get greatswords and 2h hammers) and I make minimising losses my main priority because replacing dudes is expensive. After the early game I save up every bit of cash with the aim of getting into reinforced hauberks ASAP. I don't buy any lighter armours unless they're damaged and therefore cheaper than usual. I try to find the best spot on the map for grinding missions which also lets me do some trading and if possible start boosting my reputation with a settlement with an armourer. Unless your brothers are injured, any time spent travelling on the map is wasted so I try to minimise that. It doesn't take long before you're doing contracts for 1-2k each and getting piles of loot to go along with it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 14:08
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:From what I can tell difficulty is based on renown and calendar date more than on your bro's levels. I could be wrong, but that's another part of the calculation on taking Student on everyone -- get ahead of the curve and make sure you have some level 11 guys by the time the crisis hits. Either way though that's probably the most controversial advice I have in there so I tried to make clear it's optional. One of the devs has stated fairly categorically that renown doesn't impact difficulty as such, it just gives you access to tougher contracts. The same enemies (more or less) will still be waddling around, you just have the option to take a swing at tougher ones / the occasional tougher mission spawn depending on how mission enemies work.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 16:12
|
|
|
TheWetFish posted:Experienced is pooled & distributed evenly across all battle participants, aside from the additional killing stroke bonus, right? Oh also dogs; do the owners get the killing stroke bonus for enemies their dogs kill? I would like to know this as well. I keep getting antsy and getting 10+ dudes before the end of the first week to pad my ranks to keep from being overwhelmed, but if experience is shared equally I'll probably try toning that down a bit to get a good core group before expanding out. Started yet another new file, and buying badly damaged higher tier armor is really good. Grabbed a 150 durability helmet on day 2 because it was like 28% durability at a small encampment that was in high spirits. That guide has helped me a ton, thanks Hieronymous Alloy!
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 16:12
|
|
|
Just had a thief try to rob my camp at night. On a whim I gave him food and he asked to join up. He had three stars in melee, ranged, and hp. loving awesome. Put him in my spear wall with chainmail, helmet, spear and shield. First turn of his first battle against some trash brigands and poachers he alone out of 7 other spearmen in the front rank eats two arrows to the face and dies instantly. Wiped out the rest of that band without anybody else taking more than a minor scratch. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 16:20
|
|
|
Very nice guide! Regarding perks, I really like going Pathfinder --> Gifted on all the early bros. Gifted in particular was really noticeable: 3-5 extra points in melee attack, melee defense, and fatigue let me swap from spears to flails earlier and made my bros feel like murdermachines versus the waves of bandit thugs they were facing at that point. Regarding weapons, I like the advice of spear til 60 melee attack, then sword until your fatigue is good enough for flails, then flails for armor harvesting. Regarding group size, I like staying at 8 bros for as long as possible, usually day 15-20. That's a front line of 7 plus bowbro in the back. I add extra archers when I run into a necromancer or orcs, and a sergeant when I get that ambition. Falcons own and I'm bad at trade.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 16:22
|
|
|
Locke Dunnegan posted:Started yet another new file, and buying badly damaged higher tier armor is really good. Grabbed a 150 durability helmet on day 2 because it was like 28% durability at a small encampment that was in high spirits. That guide has helped me a ton, thanks Hieronymous Alloy! Thanks! My secret technique is just reading a thread like this for a month, then organizing what everyone says. Very little in there is "mine" in the sense that I figured it out on my own (only thing I can think of is that bargaining lowers your rep).
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 16:31
|
|
|
Oberleutnant posted:Just had a thief try to rob my camp at night. On a whim I gave him food and he asked to join up. He had three stars in melee, ranged, and hp. loving awesome. Sounds like he stole your heart
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 16:31
|
|
|
Sjs00 posted:Sounds like he stole your heart Just another job for the Phantom Thieves of Hearts! 
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 16:51
|
|
|
Hahaha, his game has console commands https://steamcommunity.com/app/365360/discussions/0/135512931362405077/#c135513901709951670
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 17:58
|
|
|
Oberleutnant posted:Just had a thief try to rob my camp at night. On a whim I gave him food and he asked to join up. He had three stars in melee, ranged, and hp. loving awesome. Just FYI the AI will do this on purpose, once you're out of the early game I would strongly suggest putting all new recruits in the back with a polearm and plenty of armour because enemy archers will always go for the low hp / armour / defense brothers. Which is one of the reasons why I'm not really sold on using shields in the late game, your shieldbearers just don't get targeted by arrows that much.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 18:44
|
|
|
Did they fix the issue with Avast? Because I'm hoping that issue is why my games started taking ten minutes to load a map, and I would like to play the game again.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 18:44
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 9, 2024 23:35 |
|
|
RabidWeasel posted:Just FYI the AI will do this on purpose, once you're out of the early game I would strongly suggest putting all new recruits in the back with a polearm and plenty of armour because enemy archers will always go for the low hp / armour / defense brothers. Which is one of the reasons why I'm not really sold on using shields in the late game, your shieldbearers just don't get targeted by arrows that much. Yeah, archers love to pepper my guy running around with a greatsword chopping up their friends with arrows. Luckily he has a lot of armor and his defensive stats are getting OK, but typically I have to eventually retreat him behind the shieldwall if my archers haven't sufficiently thinned out their archers.
|
|
#
?
Apr 17, 2017 18:48
|
|