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mcmagic posted:I think there are some cycling cards that are good in control shells like Censor and Cast out but I don't think you want to be playing cards JUST because they cycle. Drake Haven seems unimpressisve. Yeah, Haven is a EDH card only really.
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mcmagic posted:I think there are some cycling cards that are good in control shells like Censor and Cast out but I don't think you want to be playing cards JUST because they cycle. Drake Haven seems unimpressisve. I think the demon is very good at least sideboarded in a cycling control shell Maybe it'll get enough support come next set, when they print a 5 mana cycling wrath
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Apr 17, 2017 15:09
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I'm sad that the cat is the thing that will get banned instead of Saheeli because with Felidar Guardian gone, janky cat tribal decks won't be as good and without the instant-win combo there isn't much reason to play Saheeli.
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Apr 17, 2017 15:11
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Eh, at this point I don't want them to ban anything so standard can continue its spiral down the shitter. Maybe then they will start firing those who got us into this mess.
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Apr 17, 2017 15:14
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TheKingofSprings posted:I think the demon is very good at least sideboarded in a cycling control shell The thing about the demon is that it's not really a 5 drop. You have to protect or at least have a few cycling cards up to get some value off of it and then you're into gearhulk range.
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Apr 17, 2017 15:16
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Why is everyone so adamant and sure cat is going to be banned?
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Sickening posted:Eh, at this point I don't want them to ban anything so standard can continue its spiral down the shitter. Maybe then they will start firing those who got us into this mess. I wonder just how much money Hasbro has lost due to design incompetence in recent months, and if there ever are actually any repercussions for anyone involved.
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Apr 17, 2017 15:24
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why is everyone so adamant and sure cat is going to be banned? I hope they come out and say, 'yes, we weren't expecting Cat to work so well in the current formats ... but it wasn't a mistake. There are no mistakes, just happy accidents.'
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Apr 17, 2017 15:25
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why is everyone so adamant and sure cat is going to be banned? They banned Twin in modern and admitted that they missed the combo before printing it.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why is everyone so adamant and sure cat is going to be banned? Because there is no point in playing if it isnt.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why is everyone so adamant and sure cat is going to be banned? Because standard is currently an overcentralized dumpster fire and part of that is everything needs a contingency plan for that deck if they want to operate
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ShaneB posted:I wonder just how much money Hasbro has lost due to design incompetence in recent months, and if there ever are actually any repercussions for anyone involved. Nah. As long as they keep Star Wars fans like me happy, they'll keep letting WOTC trudge along with whatever pittance it makes them. At this point, they should be trying to come up with another failed Star Wars TCG to combat the FFG one. Richard Garfield made the last one too and it was awful. 
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Apr 17, 2017 15:31
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They... Haven't had any rights to Star Wars games since 2012, though?
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Apr 17, 2017 15:34
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For all those questioning any semblance of a control resurgence and those naysaying cycling/Haven as a strategy in general, I at least think Seth Manfield is on the right track with this build.
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Apr 17, 2017 15:35
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why is everyone so adamant and sure cat is going to be banned? Because the second you make one set of bannings everyone's confidence gets shook
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Apr 17, 2017 15:43
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Siivola posted:They... Haven't had any rights to Star Wars games since 2012, though? Right, FFG has the license and it's more a jab at how bad at designing games Garfield can be. I mean look at MTG and how much they've had to improve it from the original iteration.  But the point is, they don't care since star wars and superheroes movies will be in for perpetuity and they'll keep selling those toys.
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Death Bot posted:Because the second you make one set of bannings everyone's confidence gets shook Well, more when the bans didn't solve the problem and standard is still on fire
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TheKingofSprings posted:Well, more when the bans didn't solve the problem and standard is still on fire I don't know that it's possible to fix standard in one set...
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mcmagic posted:I don't know that it's possible to fix standard in one set... It's not and the problems run deeper than bannings can solve but those are currently the only corrective action they have
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TheKingofSprings posted:Well, more when the bans didn't solve the problem and standard is still on fire They fixed a problem and newly introduced another as far as standard goes.
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Chill la Chill posted:Right, FFG has the license and it's more a jab at how bad at designing games Garfield can be. I mean look at MTG and how much they've had to improve it from the original iteration. you gotta give Garfield a bit of lee-away for Alpha, he was inventing an entirely new thing so didn't really have anything to compare too. He thought using rarity as a balancing mechanic was gonna work and well, clearly that was wrong. Now for any games past that, yeah he totes should have been able to figure out what was good and bad about tcg's
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Chill la Chill posted:Right, FFG has the license and it's more a jab at how bad at designing games Garfield can be. I hope you're not implying that Robo Rally isn't the pinnacle of tabletop gaming.
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Cool prerelease dice
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also, he made Lightning Bolt, the best magic card ever, so he's good in my book
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TheKingofSprings posted:It's not and the problems run deeper than bannings can solve but those are currently the only corrective action they have I think the major problem with standard is going back to the old, longer rotations.
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ZeroCount posted:I hope you're not implying that Robo Rally isn't the pinnacle of tabletop gaming. dragon enthusiast posted:Cool prerelease dice my post above these two says 10:06 but these ones say 10:05 oh my god the forums are so broken time itself has broken
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mcmagic posted:I think the major problem with standard is going back to the old, longer rotations.
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ZeroCount posted:I hope you're not implying that Robo Rally isn't the pinnacle of tabletop gaming.
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The Shortest Path posted:Because there is no point in playing if it isnt. This makes no sense at all
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80s James Hetfield posted:This makes no sense at all people talk about what the upcoming standard will be like assuming something gets banned, because if there isn't anything then it doesn't matter what the format's like because they won't be playing
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The problem is that these sets are being developed with 6-12 months of lag time while the competition is able to fix issues that arise within days or even hours. They'll never be able to do that with a physical card game that needs to be manufactured an distributed, but they've got to think of something other than "check back in a year" if they want people to stick around.
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80s James Hetfield posted:This makes no sense at all Cat combo pushes out more deck archtypes than even mardu does.
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ThePeavstenator posted:The problem is that these sets are being developed with 6-12 months of lag time while the competition is able to fix issues that arise within days or even hours. They'll never be able to do that with a physical card game that needs to be manufactured an distributed, but they've got to think of something other than "check back in a year" if they want people to stick around. They need to adapt to the change of times but WOTC has shown time and time again that they aren't that type of company.
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Sickening posted:Cat combo pushes out more deck archtypes than even mardu does. I think the only reason Mardu is able to stick around is because it's fast and resilient enough that it can beat cat decks before they can set up with a bunch of blockers and planeswalkers. If anything Saheeli/Cat pushes everything out of the meta.
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mandatory lesbian posted:you gotta give Garfield a bit of lee-away for Alpha, he was inventing an entirely new thing so didn't really have anything to compare too. He thought using rarity as a balancing mechanic was gonna work and well, clearly that was wrong. It should also be noted that rarity as a balancing mechanic is indispensable design tech which they have successfully integrated with Limited, along with the pack-cracking, jank-brewing conceits originally envisioned for how the game would be played. They just needed time to codify these conceits as actual game rules instead of leaning on implicit circumstances, and then get some practice with crafting a block for it.
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Sickening posted:They need to adapt to the change of times but WOTC has shown time and time again that they aren't that type of company. Hey remember when they tried including cheevo cards with prerelease packs? What else do you want?
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why is everyone so adamant and sure cat is going to be banned? There's no sense in banning Copter, Emrakul and fuckin Reflector Mage while letting Better Splinter Twin run around standard.
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Hellsau posted:Better Splinter Twin It's a lot of things but this is probably not one of them
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InterrupterJones posted:For all those questioning any semblance of a control resurgence and those naysaying cycling/Haven as a strategy in general, I at least think Seth Manfield is on the right track with this build. If those decks were good, they wouldn't be posted online by a pro player.
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Eikre posted:It should also be noted that rarity as a balancing mechanic is indispensable design tech which they have successfully integrated with Limited, along with the pack-cracking, jank-brewing conceits originally envisioned for how the game would be played. Oh yeah, Rarity is a balancing mechanic for limited and that's fine, i meant more from a constructed stand-point with that statement since I don't think packs were made with limited in mind until...quite a while
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