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anime was right posted:i think the two gay dudes stand out really hard in comparison to p4 which had one of the best representations of dealing with one's sexuality in a video game to date. Persona "Kanji, get the gently caress out of my tent because you're a gay and can't be trusted around men" 4 aint winning any awards on that front. Especially when the character people think is gay is a complete single target sexuality which doesn't erode once their sexual identity and physical gender come to light. Which also means people who date Naoto are the worst because she's Kanji's, not yours. You cannot have!
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Moltrey posted:those two are the game's forefront gay characters unless your reading of yusuke is that he's gay and they are showcased in a plot scene anime was right posted:i think the two gay dudes stand out really hard in comparison to p4 which had one of the best representations of dealing with one's sexuality in a video game to date. kanji and naoto's issues have nothing to do with sexuality and everything to do with gender roles and bullying unless you were talking about yosuke, who may be the only example of an rpg game character being deeply in the closet without them ever actually admitting it
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darealkooky posted:I don't know the exact specifics of this part of japanese subculture but what about lala-chan? Either way, the forefront nationalist character is basically a walking political cartoon, right down to breaking into evil laughter every other scene, and you don't see me up in arms about how I'm not being fairly represented in this videogame edit: also the difference between those two gay dudes and lala-chan is that lala-chan is a person. she's not a major character or anything and is depicted a bit stereotypically but there's plenty of people that look like that in irl shinjuku and she's, again, presented like a person. she makes jokes, she interacts with the protag and ohya in a normal, reasonable way, etc. those two weird gay dudes just mince onscreen and say they're gonna rape ryuji.
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ok well i opened up a can of worms and maybe i misinterpreted kanji's social link (or maybe it was actually good but completely ruined over by supplementary material i hadnt read) sorry yall. how i interpreted kanjis social link seems to be totally different from everyone else's.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:None of the above. It's the one that you'd pin as "possibly gay because he's kind of fabulous looking". Sorry Mr. Hiruta
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Y'know, I was skeptical about people saying Yusuke wasn't attracted to Ann, but then I got to the beach scene with the lobsters. Yeah, if he believes a lobster is just as beautiful as Ann, he really does only care about art, huh?ChaosArgate posted:Nope. You can send calling cards whenever you want, save for one specific instance you've already seen. I'm up through the fourth Palace and so far I haven't had any restrictions on calling cards unless I'm misremembering. Which Palace has a restriction?
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I haven't made it too far in his social link or anything, but Yusuke seems like he's asexual, or at least almost so. Which is a very different take from many characters you see in RPGs.
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darealkooky posted:I don't know the exact specifics of this part of japanese subculture but what about lala-chan? Either way, the forefront nationalist character is basically a walking political cartoon, right down to breaking into evil laughter every other scene, and you don't see me up in arms about how I'm not being fairly represented in this videogame two, go look in the real gosh dang world for actual representation and support of nationalists cause it'd kinda loving everywhere cause you really don't need it in your entertainment Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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anime was right posted:ok well i opened up a can of worms and maybe i misinterpreted kanji's social link (or maybe it was actually good but completely ruined over by supplementary material i hadnt read) sorry yall. how i interpreted kanjis social link seems to be totally different from everyone else's.
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Moltrey posted:okay, one. are you a nationalist?
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Harrow posted:I'm up through the fourth Palace and so far I haven't had any restrictions on calling cards unless I'm misremembering. Which Palace has a restriction? Oh my bad, I thought you were at Palace 7 but I misread. Palace 6 has the restriction, but you're not going to lose any days from it.
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anime was right posted:ok well i opened up a can of worms and maybe i misinterpreted kanji's social link (or maybe it was actually good but completely ruined over by supplementary material i hadnt read) sorry yall. how i interpreted kanjis social link seems to be totally different from everyone else's. Kanji and Naoto will be pretty much debated until official word comes out either way, and even that won't stop fans from decrying them from their ideal fanon. They've left enough jokes and clues in terms of Kanji that you could read it whichever way you want.
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Yu Narukami: Best man at Kanji and Naoto's wedding. Yosuke Hanamura: Caught jerking off in the broom closet over a candid snap of one of the bridesmaid's sideboob.
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Endorph posted:it isn't really about interpretation, when you get his persona he basically says 'it's not about whether or not im gay (cause im not) it was about how others saw me' and then he spends the rest of the game sweating bullets about naoto even after her gender is revealed. Wasn't there something in Persona 4 where after Naoto's gender is revealed, Kanji still wants to think of her as a guy or something?
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ChaosArgate posted:Oh my bad, I thought you were at Palace 7 but I misread. Palace 6 has the restriction, but you're not going to lose any days from it. Ah, okay. So it's not like "if you send the calling card early you'll lose days" but instead "you're required to send the calling card on a specific day?" Thanks.
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Mordiceius posted:Wasn't there something in Persona 4 where after Naoto's gender is revealed, Kanji still wants to think of her as a guy or something?
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Endorph posted:why are you quoting me!!!
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Endorph posted:... no? Ah. Guess I'm misremembering. I had thought that Kanji's reaction was something along the lines of "Whew, she's a woman, that means I'm not gay. Though, for some reason I'm more attractive when I think of her exuding masculinity."
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anime was right posted:thats the dramatic guy. For some reason I read it as "Dramatic girl" and thought of the English teacher oops. Either way, look at how fabulous that cravat is goddamn I never paid attention to the in-game model. quote:gay characters and stuff The predatory gay men in P5 are really bad and it's one of the few tarnishes on the game that I actively dislike. It's 2017 can we move past making LGBT people a punchline yet? As far as Kanji is concerned I always was partial to reading him as actually gay since gently caress we don't get gay characters in games very often, much less really cool well-written ones just let me have this adorable gay thug. Plus the whole "has a thing for Naoto" aspect of him basically just disappeared after his character arc ended unless I'm forgetting further scenes. It doesn't bother me how you read Kanji but didn't the devs basically say at some point or another that they pretty much wanted Kanji to be gay but were afraid of audience reception or was that more grapevine gossip?
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darealkooky posted:the forefront nationalist character is basically a walking political cartoon, right down to breaking into evil laughter every other scene, and you don't see me up in arms about how I'm not being fairly represented in this videogame Hahaha okay
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Harrow posted:Ah, okay. So it's not like "if you send the calling card early you'll lose days" but instead "you're required to send the calling card on a specific day?" Thanks. Yup. The only way you can lose days when there are active palaces is by spending more days in them.
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slev posted:I dated Naoto right in front of Kanji Is it too late to pick this guy as the criminal in P4's story
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darealkooky posted:the forefront nationalist character is basically a walking political cartoon, right down to breaking into evil laughter every other scene, and you don't see me up in arms about how I'm not being fairly represented in this videogame Holy gently caress I missed this. What the gently caress dude.
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i dont remember them ever really addressing his attraction to her after the reveal. he has a kinda stumbling 'uh it's cool if you're a girl - not that I prefer you this way or nothin' - just, uh, ill shut up now' response when she joins up, but he's kinda talking more about her comfort and how he perceives her as useful to the team than wanting to taru her kaja.
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Kanji's sexual orientation is explicitly not the point of his social link. It doesn't matter at all regarding the resolution to it.
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Mordiceius posted:Wasn't there something in Persona 4 where after Naoto's gender is revealed, Kanji still wants to think of her as a guy or something? Kind of the opposite. He is extremely relieved since the reveal literally vindicates his feelings. Also, I think the goofy gay duo are ok. Welp that's my story.
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Endorph posted:it isn't really about interpretation, when you get his persona he basically says 'it's not about whether or not im gay (cause im not) it was about how others saw me' and then he spends the rest of the game sweating bullets about naoto even after her gender is revealed. i mean i just searched for 15 minutes and could not find a concrete answer and a bunch of people making the same arguments here from both sides so idk man. i'm not gonna touch it anymore. i'll take your word for it.
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i dated rise right in front of yosuke cause watching your bff make out with your favorite idol a foot away from you must be the most devastating thing possible
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YoshiOfYellow posted:It's 2017 can we move past making LGBT people a punchline yet? To be fair, this game was scheduled for Winter 2014, things were WAY different. (sarcasm) Moltrey posted:i dated rise right in front of yosuke cause watching your bff make out with your favorite idol a foot away from you must be the most devastating thing possuble The worst thing is that Saki dies so you can't claim her too in the great "gently caress You Yosuke: Inaba 2008 World Tour"
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YoshiOfYellow posted:As far as Kanji is concerned I always was partial to reading him as actually gay since gently caress we don't get gay characters in games very often, much less really cool well-written ones just let me have this adorable gay thug. Plus the whole "has a thing for Naoto" aspect of him basically just disappeared after his character arc ended unless I'm forgetting further scenes. It doesn't bother me how you read Kanji but didn't the devs basically say at some point or another that they pretty much wanted Kanji to be gay but were afraid of audience reception or was that more grapevine gossip? As I recall, the only official word we've gotten is that the English VA was instructed to play him as gay.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:but didn't the devs basically say at some point or another that they pretty much wanted Kanji to be gay but were afraid of audience reception or was that more grapevine gossip?
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Moltrey posted:i dated rise right in front of yosuke cause watching your bff make out with your favorite idol a foot away from you must be the most devastating thing possible i dated Rise because she's voiced by Laura Bailey, making her the best
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darealkooky posted:Either way, the forefront nationalist character is basically a walking political cartoon, right down to breaking into evil laughter every other scene, and you don't see me up in arms about how I'm not being fairly represented in this videogame I'm glad I popped into the thread at just the right time to see this.
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Endorph posted:nationalists are not a underpresented minority - wait did you just say you're a nationalist I'm making a joke to lampoon your point because I'm emotionally immature. P5 is far from a fox news talking piece about how the gay conspiracy is aiming to convert our young strapping males, and it feels more like it just comes from a POV of not even thinking about how people might take offense at that. I'd much rather be in a world where people can make jokes that aren't really funny about eachother instead of having to self-censor and thus put up proverbial walls/ghettoize because they'd hate to offend anyone. If you consider a scene in a video game to be 'harmful' then you need to  because you sound like a puritan that feels a need to inject their personal feelings into the art of others instead of letting people do what they want.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Yu Narukami: Best man at Kanji and Naoto's wedding. excuse me this is completely wrong he's caught jerking off in the broom closet with a trashcan over his head over a candid snap of one of the bridesmaid's sideboob also, he's covered in piss
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*while playing persona 2* god, this hitler character is SUCH an exaggerated nationalist. for shame, atlus.
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It isn't like Persona hasn't had a gay party member before, or even let the main character be gay (in Innocent Sin, specifically), so I'd be surprised if they wanted Kanji to be gay but couldn't actually do that. His whole deal is about how he wants to be seen as a man but he has a lot of interests and feelings that aren't accepted as something befitting a "real man," so he overcompensates. That's an interesting conflict in and of itself, but it's also not the same thing.
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I actually dated Rise because she's my girlfriend, the youske thing was a sick bonusJosuke Higashikata posted:To be fair, this game was scheduled for Winter 2014, things were WAY different.
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