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100% guarantee that same person thinks the prequels are poo poo and doesn't care about "George's vision" at all.
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I don't think it matters , Disney vs Lucas or whatever. The question is, is Disney taking the star wars universe in original and exciting directions? So far...Not really. And that doesn't look to change much
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You mean an ultra-profitable goliath of media creation isn't taking extreme chances in its first outings with an already beloved franchise? You don't say... Although honestly they kinda did take chances by having a woman, a black dude, and a hispanic dude headlining their mega-blockbuster in an industry where that kind of casting would cause a room full of CEOs to fall silent. E: V V V I wasn't responding to a comment about quality, but sure let's talk about that. No, casting isn't necessarily tied to quality, but having relative unknowns as your lead actors is not only very Star Wars but it helps the audience stay in the movie. Not only that, but when those actors are really good, as is the case with TFA, the story is helped a great deal by that. A lesser cast would absolutely have let the familiarity of the movie's plot take over rather than go along for the ride. TheMaestroso fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Apr 15, 2017 |
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Apr 15, 2017 04:36
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Casting choices dont make a movie good. I like TFA but plenty of people don't. I like where this trailer implies the story is going but it's still Disney. Chance taking isn't in the bottom line
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if that guy thinks the jedi order was something worth saving he didn't watch the prequels.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Awesome trailer, I can't wait. Lucas turned the Jedi into a goddamn congressional subcommittee.
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New star wars rebels trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7GAhnVwhA I'm hyped
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RC Cola posted:New star wars rebels trailer Thank god we're going to decide once and for all who controlls Empty Grass Planet.
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General Dog posted:Thank god we're going to decide once and for all who controlls Empty Grass Planet. Pro-tier post/avatar text combo?
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sudo rm -rf posted:if that guy thinks the jedi order was something worth saving he didn't watch the prequels. The point of the Jedi in the Prequels was that they were "good" but had become distant and lost their way, not that the very concept of the Jedi was bad. The whole point of Luke taking up the Jedi mantle in Episode VII, "I am a Jedi, Like my father before me." is that he's going to make the Jedi what they were supposed to be and not repeat the same mistakes that led to the downfall of the old order.
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galagazombie posted:The point of the Jedi in the Prequels was that they were "good" but had become distant and lost their way, not that the very concept of the Jedi was bad. The whole point of Luke taking up the Jedi mantle in Episode VII, "I am a Jedi, Like my father before me." is that he's going to make the Jedi what they were supposed to be and not repeat the same mistakes that led to the downfall of the old order. He evidently did make the same mistakes, which is probably central to what he means. I think Leia straight up says to Han that sending Kylo away was what lead to him turning to the Dark Side. Kylo needed his family, and Luke probably did as well.
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There is clearly a fundamental problem with the jedi, in that their existence seems to create the sith. The more ascetic parts of being a jedi seem to specifically generate the conditions necessary for a conversion to the dark side. Luke is probably interested in training Rey in a way that does not necessarily contain every single ethos of the late jedi. He may have been seeking out the original temple to find out how they trained their pupils, because the order lasted a lot longer than the relatively short span between the fall of the jedi and the republic, but he was trained by Jedi from this period and simply may not have the tools to train students without risking their minds to the dark side like kylo ren.
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galagazombie posted:The point of the Jedi in the Prequels was that they were "good" but had become distant and lost their way, not that the very concept of the Jedi was bad. The whole point of Luke taking up the Jedi mantle in Episode VII, "I am a Jedi, Like my father before me." is that he's going to make the Jedi what they were supposed to be and not repeat the same mistakes that led to the downfall of the old order. So when someone says they want to be like something, you take it to mean they want to be different than that thing?
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galagazombie posted:The point of the Jedi in the Prequels was that they were "good" but had become distant and lost their way, not that the very concept of the Jedi was bad. The whole point of Luke taking up the Jedi mantle in Episode VII, "I am a Jedi, Like my father before me." is that he's going to make the Jedi what they were supposed to be and not repeat the same mistakes that led to the downfall of the old order. There is literally nothing in the Prequels that supports this. The Jedi were even more cardboard cutout good guys in the Prequels than they were in reference in the original series. They suffered a downfall because an evil bad guy mustache-twirling villain created a clone army to conquer the galaxy, not because of any internal failing. Ping pong yoda teaching younglings was not some kind of deep metaphor for the corruption of the Jedi any more than Jar Jar Binks was a representation of the apartheid policies of Naboo reflecting the corruption of the Old Republic.
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TildeATH posted:There is literally nothing in the Prequels that supports this. The Jedi were even more cardboard cutout good guys in the Prequels than they were in reference in the original series. They suffered a downfall because an evil bad guy mustache-twirling villain created a clone army to conquer the galaxy, not because of any internal failing. Ping pong yoda teaching younglings was not some kind of deep metaphor for the corruption of the Jedi any more than Jar Jar Binks was a representation of the apartheid policies of Naboo reflecting the corruption of the Old Republic. Wait so an order that takes (possibly abducts see: anakin) children to brainwash them into its faith that that places ties to the order over secular policy positions that actual impct day to day peoples lives and then plots an overthrow of the duly elected government because the peoples new army is more powerful than them is good guys?
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Barudak posted:Wait so an order that takes (possibly abducts see: anakin) children to brainwash them into its faith that that places ties to the order over secular policy positions that actual impct day to day peoples lives and then plots an overthrow of the duly elected government because the peoples new army is more powerful than them is good guys? Ah yes I see now Darth Vader is a reform candidate.
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Since this is the spoiler thread(!) -- for the Rebels fans: were there any worthy points of speculation from the season 4 trailer?
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there are two things in star wars that 5 year old kids seem more capable of understanding than some middle aged nerds: droids are "people" and the jedi are flawed.
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Apr 17, 2017 02:03
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TildeATH posted:Ah yes I see now Darth Vader is a reform candidate. Darth Vader is a slave.
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Schwarzwald posted:Darth Vader is a slave. To Greepgrop? To Quigon? To Yoda? To Palpatine? Was he just sold from one to another? Because I thought he was supposed to be Neo.
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TildeATH posted:Ah yes I see now Darth Vader is a reform candidate. Yes? He says so as much himself. Turns out there are many reforms that involve the brutal death of existing ideological practitioners and that are ultimately extremely unstable and terrible ideas.
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TildeATH posted:To Greepgrop? To Quigon? To Yoda? To Palpatine? Was he just sold from one to another? Only Luke frees him from his life of slavery. Perhaps Quigon would have, but he died. Darth Vader posted:You don't know the power of the dark side! I must obey my master. Attack of the Clones posted:Obi-Wan Kenobi: Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me? Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Apr 17, 2017 |
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Apr 17, 2017 02:48
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Come on you guys stop joshing, these are the Jar Jar movies you're talking about, right? Or is this some kind of video game extended universe thing you're referring to?
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Hodgepodge posted:Only Luke frees him from his life of slavery. Perhaps Quigon would have, but he died. Ugh and now i have a your name is toby scene but with Darth Vader in my head.
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Zeris posted:Since this is the spoiler thread(!) -- for the Rebels fans: were there any worthy points of speculation from the season 4 trailer? Some characters gonna die. They are gonna liberate Lothal.
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TildeATH posted:Come on you guys stop joshing, these are the Jar Jar movies you're talking about, right? Or is this some kind of video game extended universe thing you're referring to? These are the Jar Jar movies, yes.
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Barudak posted:Ugh and now i have a your name is toby scene but with Darth Vader in my head. quote:Vader: The Emperor has been expecting you.
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I know its a super accurate in so far as how its used, Im just imagining vader being laser whipped until suddenly instead of a defiant Anakin in Hayden Christensens voice we get a beaten and broken James Earl Jones saying Darth Vader and it is easily the most tasteless scene homage ive ever conjured
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Zeris posted:Since this is the spoiler thread(!) -- for the Rebels fans: were there any worthy points of speculation from the season 4 trailer? They showed an episode to us at the Rebels panel and bad poo poo is going to happen on Mandalore. Also Chopper hits a stormtrooper in the head with a spent blaster. He continues to be A Great Droid.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:They showed an episode to us at the Rebels panel and bad poo poo is going to happen on Mandalore. I think you mean The Best Droid.
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I dare you to read it all.quote:It's like they asked a bunch of elementary school children to write the sequel trilogy. The result would be something very close to what we're actually getting. They absolutely ruined Luke's story and his legacy in the saga. How un-creative could you get? Luke on an uninhabited planet all alone, in a dirty old robe, disheveled and sounding like a depressed crazy old person. "it's time for the Jedi to end". Are you kidding? his arc in the sequel trilogy is completely at odds with the character GL designed in the OT. So after ROTJ Luke tried to start a new Jedi order, kylo killed some of his students then he fled to some deserted planet and abandoned everything that happened in the previous 30 years. Like I said already this is a basic story that a kid would come up with.
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Apr 18, 2017 00:53
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I guarantee there were those exact words written about ESB in a fanzine once upon a time.
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Apr 18, 2017 00:58
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I like how they say none of the characters have no story but really how much do you learn about Luke, Han, or Leia in ANH if you try to watch it in the frame of mind that this is the only Star Wars movie that ever came out.
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i'm the guy shocked that luke 'most influential mentors in life were old ben and yoda' skywalker ended up being a weird reclusive hermit in his old age
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I dunno I kind of agree with him. All the poo poo Luke put up with, some punk burning down his house shattered him that badly? We'll see
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Zeris posted:Since this is the spoiler thread(!) -- for the Rebels fans: were there any worthy points of speculation from the season 4 trailer? It features Rukh. Thrawn is probably gonna die.
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Ammanas posted:I dunno I kind of agree with him. All the poo poo Luke put up with, some punk burning down his house shattered him that badly? We'll see Why do we assume hes been burned? Maybe Luke just got Star Wars woke.
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Ammanas posted:I dunno I kind of agree with him. All the poo poo Luke put up with, some punk burning down his house shattered him that badly? We'll see He said "gently caress it" and ran away when his home on Tattooine was burned down too.
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I, Butthole posted:He said "gently caress it" and ran away when his home on Tattooine was burned down too. Destroying my home and killing my family... my one weakness! How did you know?
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thrawn527 posted:It features Rukh. Thrawn is probably gonna die. I dunno. they are loving stoked to have him back in the official canon, so I think they might keep him around.
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