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I'd argue that Manziel being out of the league after only 8 starts is more about him being a walking disaster than being a below-average NFL quarterback.
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all-Rush mixtape posted:I'd argue that Manziel being out of the league after only 8 starts is more about him being a walking disaster than being a below-average NFL quarterback. it can be both.
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all-Rush mixtape posted:I'd argue that Manziel being out of the league after only 8 starts is more about him being a walking disaster than being a below-average NFL quarterback. He had the physique of a high school tennis player. He was always doomed regardless of the off field stuff.
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sean10mm posted:Yeah, but most of those guys were at least good college players. Their games didn't translate to the pros, absolutely, but Hack was outright lovely IN COLLEGE. Like, E.J. Manuel was MASSIVELY better as a college QB than Hack. Anyone who watched FSU football will tell you Ponder was MUCH better than Manuel. Even Jimbo said he wouldn't draft EJ before like the 4th round, he had very little trust in him.
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and he went higher than Hackenberg. But Hackenberg was still substantively worse than Ponder as a college player.
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all-Rush mixtape posted:I'd argue that Manziel being out of the league after only 8 starts is more about him being a walking disaster than being a below-average NFL quarterback. Nah, he's a poo poo NFL QB, too
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I can't tell if it's the racism in my eyeballs but McCaffrey seems slow to me.
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To the bottom of the 1st you go.... https://twitter.com/revengeofbirds/status/854081692776181767
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So getting kicked out of the combine was a strategy then?
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Docjowles posted:I dunno if Bortles really deserves to be in the "abject disaster" category. I mean, he's not good, but he's not out of the loving league after 8 starts like Manziel. We'll see if he salvages his career this season, but he was drafted #3 overall in an absurdly stacked draft class and I'm not convinced he's really even much better than EJ.
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Diva Cupcake posted:To the bottom of the 1st you go.... talented linebackers, you say?!?!?!
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Lots of smoke the Chiefs are going to trade up, targeting either McCaffrey (boooo) or Mahomes (yaaayyy)
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Is there a reason the panthers shouldn't just take Ramczyk or Robinson if Fournette and Adams are off the board. I know pass rush and RB help is needed, but I'd rather Robinson even if he is a mauling retard rather than the "dancing bear" everyone covets than McCaffery.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Vince Young could have been great on a better organization. The Titans coddled VY like a newborn babe, I have no idea what else they could have done. He didn't study film, he didn't have the desire to get better. He coasted for a couple good years and then washed out like he would have on any other team.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:The Titans coddled VY like a newborn babe, I have no idea what else they could have done. He didn't study film, he didn't have the desire to get better. He coasted for a couple good years and then washed out like he would have on any other team. He also had a fantastic offensive line for the early part of his career and CJ2k at the time was loving dunking on people. He had it pretty easy and still hosed it up.
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kiimo posted:Lots of smoke the Chiefs are going to trade up, targeting either McCaffrey (boooo) or Mahomes (yaaayyy) Would honestly be okay with either of these, but I think I'd lean Mahomes if they're both still there. Funslinging is great.
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It's because Vince Young barely has the brain power to put his pants on frontways
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kiimo posted:It's because Vince Young barely has the brain power to put his pants on frontways Hook em.jpg
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BlindSite posted:Is there a reason the panthers shouldn't just take Ramczyk or Robinson if Fournette and Adams are off the board. I know pass rush and RB help is needed, but I'd rather Robinson even if he is a mauling retard rather than the "dancing bear" everyone covets than McCaffery. If the Panthers draft McAffery I'm going to have....issues.
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FizFashizzle posted:If the Panthers draft McAffery I'm going to have....issues. I'm pretty secure in my delusion that it's 5 dimensional chess to trade back and still take howard.
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I mean he ran a 4.48 40? Cuz he looks way slower, weaker and less shifty than Cook or Fournette. Not to mention a touch primadonna. And I'm supposed to be excited about him because he can catch passes? Ugh.
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kiimo posted:I mean he ran a 4.48 40? Cuz he looks way slower, weaker and less shifty than Cook or Fournette. Not to mention a touch primadonna. And I'm supposed to be excited about him because he can catch passes? Ugh. scorching.
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I don't know I just watched like fifteen minutes of his highlights and came away thinking nah. Certainly not worth trading up for. If you're going to trade up for a running back he's got to be a destroyer of worlds not a dude who can put up 225 ten times. But maybe his speed is deceiving. His 37" vertical is particularly promising. I don't' know.
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kiimo posted:Lots of smoke the Chiefs are going to trade up, targeting either McCaffrey (boooo) or Mahomes (yaaayyy) Where
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kiimo posted:I don't know I just watched like fifteen minutes of his highlights and came away thinking nah. Certainly not worth trading up for. If you're going to trade up for a running back he's got to be a destroyer of worlds not a dude who can put up 225 ten times. But maybe his speed is deceiving. His 37" vertical is particularly promising. I don't' know. On the chiefs or Pats he could be a monster, it's going to be about the right fit though.
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kiimo posted:Lots of smoke the Chiefs are going to trade up, targeting either McCaffrey (boooo) or Mahomes (yaaayyy) McCaffrey is at least 80% more likely to be a good NFL player. Not that I wouldn't be as excited as anyone to finally draft a QB if Andy Reid believes in him.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Where I haven't heard anything about them wanting to go after McCaffrey; it doesn't mesh with what Dorsey and Reid do in the first. I've heard Cunningham, Watson, Mahomes, Trubisky and Reddick were the ones on the board.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Where Chiefs Planet, Arrowhead Pride, Kansas City driveways where neighbors chat, other non-trustworthy places
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WinnebagoWarrior posted:So much talk about QB's who were poo poo in college but we're inexplicably drafted very high and nary mention of Jake locker? Who?
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BlindSite posted:Is there a reason the panthers shouldn't just take Ramczyk or Robinson if Fournette and Adams are off the board. I know pass rush and RB help is needed, but I'd rather Robinson even if he is a mauling retard rather than the "dancing bear" everyone covets than McCaffery. Every other move the panthers have made this offseason implies that they think they're closer to super bowl contender than mediocre 8-8 team. I really think they're trying to take someone who's going to be able to really contribute this season, and basically all of the tackles this class are prospects at best.
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Under 10 days to draft must read at least 500 mock drafts for no reason what so ever. Browns taking a poo poo and miss the time limit to submit pick one, get pick two is my mock draft.
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sean10mm posted:Who's going to be the first team to grotesquely reach for a weak QB prospect out of desperation this year? The first team to pick a qb.
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