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How do the Tories have such a huge lead when Brexit won by two points and a whole lot of regrets?
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Apr 18, 2017 14:42
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:How do the Tories have such a huge lead when Brexit won by two points and a whole lot of regrets? They've recaptured a lot of the racists from UKIP and Labour's right-wing have been backstabbing their leader for years now.
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Apr 18, 2017 14:45
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:How do the Tories have such a huge lead when Brexit won by two points and a whole lot of regrets? A sweet combination of a horrible population and an even worse media.
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Apr 18, 2017 14:46
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:How do the Tories have such a huge lead when Brexit won by two points and a whole lot of regrets? Lack of opposition.
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Apr 18, 2017 14:59
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:How do the Tories have such a huge lead when Brexit won by two points and a whole lot of regrets? Jeremy Corbyn, leader of labor, does not oppose Brexit bit applauds it because the EU is undermining workers rights.
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Apr 18, 2017 15:04
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:How do the Tories have such a huge lead when Brexit won by two points and a whole lot of regrets? Won by ~3.75 points you mean. Still, the Tories are polling a full 10 points behind the Brexit results if you average the latest polls, that would seem to account for most of the "brexit regret".
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Apr 18, 2017 15:05
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GaussianCopula posted:EU is undermining workers rights. Factually accurate.
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Apr 18, 2017 15:11
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GaussianCopula posted:EU is undermining workers rights. forkboy84 posted:Factually accurate. Looking forward to the repeal of the Working Time Directive, policy which Theresa May repeatedly highlighted as a major benefit of Brexit. That's just off the top of my head.
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Apr 18, 2017 15:23
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Private Speech posted:Looking forward to the repeal of the Working Time Directive, policy which Theresa May repeatedly highlighted as a major benefit of Brexit. I don't support leaving the EU, but it's bad on workers rights. Of course, the Tory government will be far worse but hey Brexit means Red White & Blue Brexit apparently.
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Apr 18, 2017 15:24
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forkboy84 posted:I don't support leaving the EU, but it's bad on workers rights. Of course, the Tory government will be far worse but hey Brexit means Red White & Blue Brexit apparently. How so? I mean I get how it's neoliberal and austeritarian and protectionist and everything, but it helps push for minimum wage, paid time off, sick leave (not all EU countries have this), overtime pay (the aforementioned WTD) etc. Don't really see how it's bad for workers rights, unless you're going on about immigration I guess. E: It also supports Health 'n Safety and consumer rights (quality control, shop returns [look where your minimum 14-day refund policy comes from sometime. lol bet the Tories will axe that eventually], ticket refunds for missed connections, etc.) The biggest opposition on EU worker rights from the left is from Tankie cunts who go all "B-b-buh it's not socialism on wheels!" and ally themselves with the worst scum on the right, optionally greedily taking money from Putin who is only happy for Europe to become more poo poo. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 15:28
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Private Speech posted:How so? Most member states receiving bailouts had labour market reforms forced on them as part of the conditionality for receiving money. These reforms included lowering minimum wages, ending centralized collective bargaining, and all sorts of other labour reforms which all had the effect of driving down the bargaining power of labour and thus wages, with the goal of forcing recipients into an internal devaluation. Outside of bailouts the EU doesn't really have powers to do anything other than make toothless recommendations to the member states, some of them good, some of them bad (the working time directive is really an exception and unlikely to be repeated). Nevertheless, anyone thinking Tory Britain would be better for workers rights than the EU needs their heads examined.
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Apr 18, 2017 16:42
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Most member states receiving bailouts had labour market reforms forced on them as part of the conditionality for receiving money. These reforms included lowering minimum wages, ending centralized collective bargaining, and all sorts of other labour reforms which all had the effect of driving down the bargaining power of labour and thus wages, with the goal of forcing recipients into an internal devaluation. Outside of bailouts the EU doesn't really have powers to do anything other than make toothless recommendations to the member states, some of them good, some of them bad (the working time directive is really an exception and unlikely to be repeated). Nevertheless, anyone thinking Tory Britain would be better for workers rights than the EU needs their heads examined. The bailouts were through ECB, though admittedly yeah they were bad. Still maybe, I dunno. Bailouts that e.g. the US government does for state budgets tend to mandate even more stringent cuts and less debt relief. I wouldn't call EU directives toothless though. They're like the main thing EU does.
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Apr 18, 2017 16:51
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GaussianCopula posted:I was referring to their political stance, which was a result of Tito wanting to accept US (Marshallplan) money which Stalin didn't want, but no matter the details, the result was that Yugoslavia did not follow the communist orthodoxy but developed their own system, which was decisively more bottom up, which workers (not the state) controlling enterprises and, iirc in the 70s they even changed it so that workers would have influence according to their capital contribution to the business. Yugoslavian communism is pretty interesting because it was so bipolar. On the one side, there were the young hopeful communists and on the other side there was Tito and a USSR-esque vanguard party. The bad relationship with other communists made it a necessity to listen to people with actual new ideas rather than aping the USSR, but nobody with power wanted to give theirs up. They ended up with kafkaesque compromises like abolishing the one-party state but simultaneously keeping it under a different name. And letting the workers choose their managers but only from a list of people appointed by officials. Unlike other eastern bloc countries, they heavily suffered from the same recessions as the western bloc, and also reacted to them in mostly the same way, by shedding workers. I think the "shedding workers" part pretty undisputably shows that the managerial class was the one holding power in companies, much like in large western bloc corporations before the 80's raised the investor above the manager in company hierarchy. Yugoslavia was simultaneously more serious about visionary socialism than the eastern bloc in general and resembled capitalism in how the economy actually functioned. I'm not certain if they managed to get many of the good parts of capitalism or just a lot of the bad ones.
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Apr 18, 2017 17:12
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Private Speech posted:The bailouts were through ECB, though admittedly yeah they were bad. Still maybe, I dunno. Bailouts that e.g. the US government does for state budgets tend to mandate even more stringent cuts and less debt relief. No, the ECB provided only part of the money. The first Greek bailout was a mix of bilateral loans between the member states and Greece, the ECB, and the IMF. Later on, the other member states organised their funding through the EFSF and the ESM. You'll remember all those endless Eurogroup meetings and European Council crisis meetings deciding whether or not Greece was going to get more money (not that the ECB is blameless though - at one point, the ECB for one sent a letter directly to the governments of Italy and Spain requiring reforms as an implicit condition for support) I don't really want to relitigate the bailouts right now but they're a major part of the reason why people think the EU is bad for labour rights Private Speech posted:I wouldn't call EU directives toothless though. They're like the main thing EU does. Directives aren't toothless, but for the most part the EU's employment policy is run through the 'open method of coordination', which is based on setting common objectives, guidelines, and which are only enforced through (mostly absent) peer pressure. Under the OMC, the EU can therefore only try to influence the discourse but not really force any changes. I wrote more about this in a previous post.
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Apr 18, 2017 17:24
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Directives aren't toothless, but for the most part the EU's employment policy is run through the 'open method of coordination', which is based on setting common objectives, guidelines, and which are only enforced through (mostly absent) peer pressure. Under the OMC, the EU can therefore only try to influence the discourse but not really force any changes. I wrote more about this in a previous post. For those not familiar with the open method of coordination it is for example largely to blame for why most EU countries have such dog-poo poo unemployment and disabled-assistance programs at the moment. Before 2011 it was a terrifyingly effective soft-power tool and it re-shaped the political discourse on these topics towards those of neoliberalism. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 17:33
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MiddleOne posted:For those not familiar with the open method of coordination it is for example largely to blame for why most EU countries have such dog-poo poo unemployment and disabled-assistance programs at the moment. Before 2011 it was a terrifyingly effective soft-power tool and it re-shaped the political discourse on these topics towards those of neoliberalism. Can you point to the unemployment directives and recommendations like that? Aside from Greece et. al. obviously, but for the wider EU.
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Apr 18, 2017 17:48
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Private Speech posted:Can you point to the unemployment directives and recommendations like that? Aside from Greece et. al. obviously, but for the wider EU. Not if you don't have journal access. If you do I'd point you towards Soft regulation and the subtle transformation of states: the case of EU employment policy by Kerstin Jacobsson(2004). There have been a lot of studies and books done on this topic if you go looking since the Open Method of Coordination has been used quite extensively by the EU, especially in education. You can of course also go exploring the EU public records but I'd advise against it. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 17:56
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MiddleOne posted:Not if you don't have journal access. If you do I'd point you towards Soft regulation and the subtle transformation of states: the case of EU employment policy by Kerstin Jacobsson(2004). There have been a lot of studies and books done on this topic if you go looking since the Open Method of Coordination has been used quite extensively by the EU, especially in education. Funnily enough I do. Anyway will go read it I guess. Still beforehand I don't think it weakens workers rights. Will have to wait until I read it I guess since you didn't quote any relevant sections.
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Apr 18, 2017 17:59
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They caught two retards in Marseille with 6 pounds of TATP, "guns" and a Daesh flag. I hope Le pen doesn't get a push from this.
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Apr 18, 2017 19:08
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better than they find it before they blow a voting office or something
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Apr 18, 2017 19:38
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https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/854399020583837696 Mélenchon did well in the last two televised debates so this may help him.
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Apr 18, 2017 19:49
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ANIME https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/854387339153604613 An official anime tweet from the future French Okage, Mélenchon-sama
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Apr 18, 2017 21:34
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Kurtofan posted:ANIME Anime hologram for president.
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Apr 18, 2017 21:37
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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double nine posted:The second they do that the already hostile media landscape is going to go absolutely ballistic. The british press is abominable. You know, a sizable portion of Trump's success came from him just making GBS threads on the media constantly. Corbyn should start treating the British press as the dogs they are imo.
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Apr 18, 2017 21:46
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Orange Devil posted:You know, a sizable portion of Trump's success came from him just making GBS threads on the media constantly. While "kind-hearted grandfather goes ballistic" would own, Corbyn doesn't have it in him. https://twitter.com/went1955/status/854434016635871233 The Left's impending loss is going to be painful as gently caress. 
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Apr 18, 2017 21:56
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Méluche nooo
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Apr 18, 2017 21:59
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real talk naruto is a bad anime but i'll forgive him
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Apr 18, 2017 22:04
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double nine posted:While "kind-hearted grandfather goes ballistic" would own, Corbyn doesn't have it in him.  you need a leftist Jezza LEGERND drunkenly insulting conservatives and terrible reporters while repeatedly shouting about all the free booze socialism will provide, not jam-making nerd grandpa Jeremy Corbyn factually telling us why certain leftist policies are on balance better than their right wing equivalent. e: I just realised, Germany needs to become the leading export nation for politicians, too: send Gottkanzler Chulz to the UK so he gets elected PM, improving the quality of politicians in both countries and making the EU less blatantly pro corporate. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 22:06
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Kurtofan posted:real talk naruto is a bad anime but i'll forgive him It's a reference to this satirical article, for context.
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Apr 18, 2017 22:12
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blowfish posted:e: I just realised, Germany needs to become the leading export nation for politicians, too: send Gottkanzler Chulz to the UK so he gets elected PM, improving the quality of politicians in both countries and making the EU less blatantly pro corporate. Please do throw Schäuble out to Britain as soon as the UK is officially out of the EU.
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Apr 18, 2017 23:59
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Cat Mattress posted:Please do throw Schäuble out to Britain as soon as the UK is officially out of the EU. Only if you throw him short and he lands stranded somewhere in the middle of the North Sea
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Apr 19, 2017 00:11
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double nine posted:While "kind-hearted grandfather goes ballistic" would own, Corbyn doesn't have it in him. 10 doctors recommend you brush your teeth with ketchup!
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Apr 19, 2017 00:14
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Cat Mattress posted:Please do throw Schäuble out to Britain as soon as the UK is officially out of the EU. Give us some time to bring back the death penalty first.
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Apr 19, 2017 00:17
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double nine posted:While "kind-hearted grandfather goes ballistic" would own, Corbyn doesn't have it in him. Paul Mason is not an economist lmfao. Although I've met Steve Keen and one of the actual economists in that list was my Master's lecturer. Chill Brosefs. School Nickname fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Apr 19, 2017 00:35
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Is the Kremlin propping up Francois Asselineau's odds on Betfair exchange because how is he the only candidate you can lay less than 1000 on who's polling less than 10% nevermind 1%.
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Apr 19, 2017 00:38
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School Nickname posted:Paul Mason is not an economist lmfao. Although I've met Steve Keen and one of the actual economists in that list was my Master's lecturer. Chill Brosefs. Economist Paul Mason .... couldn't even get the coveted Varoufakis endorsement eh? (it seems he endorsed Hamon a while back) But yeah that list is a joke, at least get actual economic professors to endorse you and not some sociology post-docs and pundits. blowfish posted:e: I just realised, Germany needs to become the leading export nation for politicians, too: send Gottkanzler Chulz to the UK so he gets elected PM, improving the quality of politicians in both countries and making the EU less blatantly pro corporate. I don't think we won't to delude the image of "made in Germany" with stuff that only works for a couple weeks before it breaks - that's not German engineering (if we cheat it takes at least a few years for others to notice). The latest poll (hint: you can click on the link to get to an overview of the latest polls, which all show a widening gap between CDU und SPD) https://twitter.com/Wahlrecht_de/status/854562805554524162 Secondary observation: The FDP is going to beat the Greens - life is good.
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Apr 19, 2017 06:38
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MiddleOne posted:Not if you don't have journal access. If you do I'd point you towards Soft regulation and the subtle transformation of states: the case of EU employment policy by Kerstin Jacobsson(2004). There have been a lot of studies and books done on this topic if you go looking since the Open Method of Coordination has been used quite extensively by the EU, especially in education. You can of course also go exploring the EU public records but I'd advise against it. Private Speech posted:Funnily enough I do. Anyway will go read it I guess. Still beforehand I don't think it weakens workers rights. Will have to wait until I read it I guess since you didn't quote any relevant sections. Hope it's of interest but some of the papers I relied on in writing papers on the European Employment Strategy (EES, the most relevant OMCs here), and from which I drew the conclusion that that it has been mostly ineffective*, were: Idema, T. and D. R. Kelemen (2006). "New modes of governance, the Open Method of Co-ordination and other fashionable red herring." Perspectives on European Politics and Society 7(1): 108-123. López-Santana, M. (2006). "The domestic implications of European soft law: framing and transmitting change in employment policy." Journal of European Public Policy 13(4): 481-499. Copeland, P. and B. ter Haar (2013). "A toothless bite? The effectiveness of the European Employment Strategy as a governance tool." Journal of European Social Policy 23(1): 21-36. Verschraegen, G., et al. (2011). "The European Social Fund and domestic activation policies: Europeanization mechanisms." Journal of European Social Policy 21(1): 55-72. The EES has now been integrated into the European Semester, which pulls all the various OMCs together in a single framework combined with all the mechanisms for control of the budget and macroeconomic imbalances. I am researching if that change has had any change on the effectiveness of employment policy recommendations, but after having looked at over a hundred of them, the answer so far seems to be mostly no. * the impact obviously varied a lot - in Spain the EES was generally taken more seriously than in other countries for example. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Apr 19, 2017 08:23
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https://twitter.com/Klaire/status/854614597558513664 Wrap it up, the rightful king of France has endorsed Fillon.
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Apr 19, 2017 09:51
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Kassad posted:https://twitter.com/Klaire/status/854614597558513664 Louis XX:  Henri VII: 
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Apr 19, 2017 10:01
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All I'm seeing is that Louis XX is probably gonna vote for Macron. Edit: a decrepit old man actually is the more accurate face for French royalty, now that I think about it Kassad fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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