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Scoss posted:I just started playing, and when I merged Arsene for the first time he said some dialogue but I accidentally skipped it because I thought it was a normal fusing animation. "I will see you again, mwahahaha"
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Pollyanna posted:"I will see you again, mwahahaha" "As long as you are not stupid and get the bad ending."
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Apr 18, 2017 14:34
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I don't know what the ending is yet but I've already decided Joker is going to grow up and take over Leblanc when Sojiro retires and become a coffee dad himself
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Harrow posted:I don't know what the ending is yet but I've already decided Joker is going to grow up and take over Leblanc when Sojiro retires and become a coffee dad himself 
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Apr 18, 2017 14:36
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SettingSun posted:Since we're talking endgame spoilers I have a pair of questions: On your second question, I think the implication was that external forces like Lavenza/Philemon as represented by the butterfly identified you to be the Trickster, likely when you stood up to Shido in the first place. The fact that you stood up to him and obeyed your own justice is what defines your character. This is why Yaldaboath splits Lavenza into Caroline and Justine and hijacks the Velvet Room, to try and rig the game in his favor, because you in that action denied his basic assumption about how humanity works. And why Lavenza wrote the list of fusions that form the Strength Confidant story for you to follow and help you on your journey, outside of the False Igor's machinations.
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Harrow posted:I don't know what the ending is yet but I've already decided Joker is going to grow up and take over Leblanc when Sojiro retires and become a coffee dad himself as a cover id, anyway joker will never stop doing crimes
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Apr 18, 2017 14:38
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Joker and his absolutely canonical wife Haru running a coffee shop.
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UberJew posted:as a cover id, anyway Crimes aren't a job. They're a hobby.
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UberJew posted:as a cover id, anyway Being a quiet coffee shop owner is a good cover and a good way to hear about injustice that needs to be righted. Saint Freak posted:Joker and his absolutely canonical wife Haru running a coffee shop. I think you mean Makoto, who is the best girl, though she ain't gonna run a coffee shop. She's probably gonna run Tokyo with the support of her coffee/superspy husband.
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Saint Freak posted:Joker and his absolutely canonical wife Haru running a coffee shop. And they have perfect health because their cat ensures they get a solid night's sleep every night... or else.
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Saint Freak posted:Joker and his absolutely canonical wife Haru running a coffee shop. UberJew posted:as a cover id, anyway Perfection.
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Apr 18, 2017 14:40
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The Okumura family fortune will help fund that hobby, for certain, just like Sojiro basically coasts on his retirement and gives no fucks about actually getting customers.
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Apr 18, 2017 14:41
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gently caress irritable personas. I guess you are supposed to pick serious answers and they hate vague/joke answers, right? I have no god drat idea what the serious answers are supposed to be.
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Popelmon posted:gently caress irritable personas. I guess you are supposed to pick serious answers and they hate vague/joke answers, right? I have no god drat idea what the serious answers are supposed to be. Irritable are the easiest to figure out for me. It's gloomy and the drat vague answers that I can never get right.
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I've just finished the fifth dungeon and I still don't feel I have a proper grasp on fusing. I understand it (ish), I just don't feel confident doing it. Also it seems that it cycles between me being only able to make physical dudes and then only able to make magic dudes, and I never seem to have appropriate fusion pairs (far too many things I want to keep so I'm losing things I really would like to have). I realised last night that I have a chinese robot thing that actually does nothing. I made it with two guys that do a fair bit.
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Apr 18, 2017 15:17
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Wow. The last three pages of this thread are basically a completely unreadable CIA document. Can there be a spoiler thread for that discussion so that it doesn't fill this thread?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm4BjRYrsoo
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:I've just finished the fifth dungeon and I still don't feel I have a proper grasp on fusing. I understand it (ish), I just don't feel confident doing it. What about fusing are you having trouble with? On the surface it's pretty simple. Two things decide what persona you get: the arcana of the two personas you are fusing, and their levels averaged together. For example, Fool + Lovers = Chariot. So if you fuse Arsene (level 1 Fool) and Pixie (level 2 Lovers), you would get Agathion (level 4 Chariot), since that is the next highest persona of Chariot of the fused average level 1.5.
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Aw man. Was kinda hoping that (Dungeon 6 lead up spoilers) Joker getting caught was a sting op and that they'd reach "present day" by him quietly handing over a calling card to Sae and then the team - Joker has to do a run without him. But I guess you can't double steal someone's Treasure.
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:I've just finished the fifth dungeon and I still don't feel I have a proper grasp on fusing. I understand it (ish), I just don't feel confident doing it. The trick is to pay attention to what skills a persona can inherit; the way you end up fusing something poor is by, for example, fusing two "mage" type personas into a "physical" one that can't inherit most of their good abilities. You should be trying to carry over skills like group heals and the most powerful tier of elemental attacks you have from every persona forward until those skills are obsoleted by a better version. If you'd be giving up a bunch of useful skills for a persona that's not even really a higher level, don't do the fusion yet. You'll find a better combo to fuse that same guy with later. Also make sure you're checking the resistances and immunities of your "useless" personas. There are some persona that barely learn any useful skills, but have something like immunity to physical attacks which make them worth switching to and using sometimes anyway.
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SettingSun posted:For example, Fool + Lovers = Chariot. So if you fuse Arsene (level 1 Fool) and Pixie (level 2 Lovers), you would get Agathion (level 4 Chariot), since that is the next highest persona of Chariot of the fused average level 1.5. Close. Since the average there is 1.5 that rounds up to 2 and then it checks to see if there is a Persona of that level of the right Arcana. There isn't, so it looks up for the next highest level which is Agathion at 3. If the average base level was 3.5, then it'd round that to 4, see there isn't anything there and then give you Slime since he's the next one up at 10. Also for the original person who mentioned it, it uses the base level not the current level which might also be throwing you off. That's a tricky thing to keep track of sometimes, so don't worry too much about trying to calculate the actual result yourself unless you're gunning for something specific (like for a Strength request).
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Bogart posted:Aw man. Was kinda hoping that (Dungeon 6 lead up spoilers) Joker getting caught was a sting op and that they'd reach "present day" by him quietly handing over a calling card to Sae and then the team - Joker has to do a run without him. But I guess you can't double steal someone's Treasure. Well, what they do do is pretty cool though.
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Dragonatrix posted:Close. Since the average there is 1.5 that rounds up to 2 and then it checks to see if there is a Persona of that level of the right Arcana. There isn't, so it looks up for the next highest level which is Agathion at 3. If the average base level was 3.5, then it'd round that to 4, see there isn't anything there and then give you Slime since he's the next one up at 10. Yeah that's what I was getting at. Agathion is 3, not 4 so you have me there. I find doing fusions by hand a lot of fun (and by habit; I had to do it by hand in P3 because I didn't know better) but really why do the work when someone made a sweet fusion calculator anyone can use.
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Oh keep in mind that if you ever feel like you've fused yourself into a corner where you have mostly crappy skills on your active team, are lacking elemental coverage, etc it's pretty trivial to pop open the Compendium and recall one of your best earlier guys
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wizard on a water slide posted:The trick is to pay attention to what skills a persona can inherit; the way you end up fusing something poor is by, for example, fusing two "mage" type personas into a "physical" one that can't inherit most of their good abilities. You should be trying to carry over skills like group heals and the most powerful tier of elemental attacks you have from every persona forward until those skills are obsoleted by a better version. If you'd be giving up a bunch of useful skills for a persona that's not even really a higher level, don't do the fusion yet. You'll find a better combo to fuse that same guy with later. The thing is that every fusion appears to go to the wrong type. My good but underleveled mage cannot become anything but a physical guy. Where i'm going wrong; I guess the big thing i've been doing wrong is to try to have 3/4-element personas rather than a bunch of 1-2 or making sure every persona has a backup skill. Like I don't feel right making a buff-only persona but i probably should.
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Dragonatrix posted:Close. Since the average there is 1.5 that rounds up to 2 and then it checks to see if there is a Persona of that level of the right Arcana. There isn't, so it looks up for the next highest level which is Agathion at 3. If the average base level was 3.5, then it'd round that to 4, see there isn't anything there and then give you Slime since he's the next one up at 10. Actually wait poo poo thinking about it, this might be wrong. I don't know for sure, yet, but if it works like most SMT games then it'll be code:e; Really in this instance, it still doesn't matter too much since the pre-existing fission calculator is mostly useful, though it has some problems (eg it claims there's no way to make Mot without having demons over level 80 or paid DLC which I don't believe for a second). It's just something I care about keeping track of, since I've made several fusion calculators for my own personal use for a few things where there isn't any easily available English resources. 
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There's nothing wrong with creating something with garbage stats and good skills to use as a trade up fodder. It's pretty hard to fuse yourself into a corner and be stuck with only stinkers. And it's really tempting to have a jack of all trades, master of all trades persona which you basically keep as your primary, but there's no huge reason to do that. For example, you'd probably do well to have a Yoshitsune which is a physical beast with only Hassou, Charge and passives that help you survive, regen SP/HP, auto Ma-buff(s) or whatever which is only actually any good for Hassou Tobi and having a jack of all trades weak persona that can't do good damage but gives great weakness hitting coverage. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Mordiceius posted:Wow. The last three pages of this thread are basically a completely unreadable CIA document. That might not be a bad idea. Granted I don't think this thread is quite active enough with spoiler discussion that it's routinely stifling other talk, but on the other hand, it's nice to be able to talk about the full game without having to spoiler tag, so a spoiler thread might be nice.  JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:The thing is that every fusion appears to go to the wrong type. My good but underleveled mage cannot become anything but a physical guy. Yeah, don't feel bad making specialist Personas. Joker can change once per turn with no downside. Make use of that. Individual Personas don't have to be versatile, because Joker's ability to carry a dozen of them is the ultimate versatility already.
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Now it's me. I'm the next idiot who thought "I know this game, I'll just play on Hard right from the start, it'll be fine". Highlights of the run so far include: coming out of the tutorial Palace run with masks for exactly Incubus and two things that fuse to make Incubus, and so having no choice but to fuse away Arsene in the Fusion tutorial before I had a chance to reregister him; already having the experience of Joker being critically hit for twice his maximum health on an enemy's first turn; and beating the miniboss in the Chapel by the skin of my teeth, only to be wiped by a random trash mob on my way back to the saferoom to leave.
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The only Jack-of-all-trades Persona I need is my big bronze buddy, Arahabaki. 
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Bogart posted:The only Jack-of-all-trades Persona I need is my big bronze buddy, Arahabaki. Rangda and its phys repel makes some fights pretty hilarious. I've had a miniboss Charge and wipe itself out on the protagonist  .
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I always just trade up to the highest leveled persona I can fuse, without much thought into inherited skills. I just shore up the skills I lack from the compendium.
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God, Arahabaki is unfairly good. I Gallowsed the poo poo out of her to boost her Luck and give her Confuse Boost/Pulinpa/Tentarafoo/Despair Boost/Ominous Word/Abysmal Smile/Null Nuke/Growth 2 (would be Null Psy but I haven't seen that one yet despite having access to a bunch of other Nulls I'unno). I could replace that with a similar Girimehkala or Rangda but Arahabaki is just funnier to me.
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FractalSandwich posted:Now it's me. I'm the next idiot who thought "I know this game, I'll just play on Hard right from the start, it'll be fine". Hard can be pretty unforgiving, I've found. It's not so bad if you stay on top of your SMT/Persona fundamentals (use status effects, make sure you debuff strong enemies consistently) but if you gently caress up, you'll get smacked hard for it. I was doing fine on Hard from the third Palace onward until one of the Mementos bosses. I had to turn it down to Normal for him. The loving Baphomet shadow you fight for Chihaya's request and his loving Brain Jack spam holy poo poo. I turned it back up after that fight but gently caress that fight.
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Mordiceius posted:Wow. The last three pages of this thread are basically a completely unreadable CIA document. You could start a thread for new players instead of making 90% of the people in this thread move to a different in order to satisfy you or are we all posting slaves in your palace?
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My problem is that I get too attached to my persona boys. Like I could fuse Satan but that would mean getting rid of my good friend Jack Frost or whatever.
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socialsecurity posted:You could start a thread for new players instead of making 90% of the people in this thread move to a different in order to satisfy you or are we all posting slaves in your palace? Separate spoiler threads aren't exactly unheard of around here and you don't have to only post there. It'd just be a place where you're fine posting any and all spoilers completely unmarked if you want to. You could still post marked spoilers here. I don't see why it's a big deal.
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