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I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

ArbitraryC posted:

It's just weird to me cause i had such a good therapist when I was younger (depressed after death of immediate family) and he really helped pull my head out of my rear end rather than just validating my terrible view of the world. I guess maybe I got lucky.

Yeah, you got really lucky. My first therapist was garbage. My second through fourth ranged from useless to okay. My current one has helped me change a lot of my self-defeating habits and thought processes, but for some reason I'm still on these loving forums so I definitely have a long way to go

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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Establish the Buns

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:
Therapists are really great for referring you to psychiatrists who can actually help by doing the exact same amount of listening but also prescribing drugs.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

There must be some really bad therapists out there and you all seem to gravitate towards them.

Psychiatrists typically do not engage in any talk therapy either, they are medical doctors, they treat you from a medical perspective and usually refer you out to a therapist for anything further than that.

Therapists are there to help you realize yourself, they are not there to tell you who you are, hth.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I got one who was like "Wow your situation is crazy and you're handling it better than I thought possible, no one else could do this and no one could do it better" and that was the worst thing anyone could ever have told me. thanks rear end in a top hat.

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

lol that was probably meant to be encouraging. I'd probably take it about the same way.

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

i've got one of those fancy registers they're putting in these days

Mirthless fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 18, 2017

Gumbel2Gumbel
Apr 28, 2010

Pick posted:

I got one who was like "Wow your situation is crazy and you're handling it better than I thought possible, no one else could do this and no one could do it better" and that was the worst thing anyone could ever have told me. thanks rear end in a top hat.

I had one who was great about giving me coping strategies for various things that were bothering me and after like 4 visits she said "You don't need to come here, I basically only gave you a pep talk and I have no idea why you were referred to me"

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Pick posted:

I know ironicat, but the guy who giving me a hard time about, talked about how his ex openly cheated on him repeatedly and then eventually dumped him. But he'd always be talking about her, five years later. And it's like, do you recognize that this person betrayed you and then threw you away? They were only dating for like a year I think anyway. That's 5x time, reminiscing over a person who mistreated you.

When coping skills go wrong. Now, I'd see reminiscing about that as a giant red flag and wouldn't pass go. I can understand why people handle bad things in terrible ways, but emotionally I can't deal with it.

:goonsay:

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

ThePeavstenator posted:

Therapists are really great for referring you to psychiatrists who can actually help by doing the exact same amount of listening but also prescribing drugs.

I have both a therapist and psychiatrist and both help me immensely in different ways.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

When coping skills go wrong. Now, I'd see reminiscing about that as a giant red flag and wouldn't pass go. I can understand why people handle bad things in terrible ways, but emotionally I can't deal with it.

:goonsay:

Well I'd known him for many years before that, so in my mind I was like "Hopefully he'll come to his senses and return to being the person I used to admire so much."

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound
I made my psychologist cry when I was a kid and the last time I went to a therapist when I was quitting meds she told me I'm the type of dude who needs to be in a relationship and that's why I had anxiety.

Tiny Deer
Jan 16, 2012

I have had one good therapist (put of...three, so it's not statistically significant at all) who was so good she tricked me into staying in a healthy and happy relationship even though I was a huge terrified dummy who wanted to run away.

For that reason alone I recommend trying therapy until you find a non-bad therapist. Good ones are so good at making you say 'Oh, God, I'm kind of a bad person with bad ideas' and then helping you realize you need to fix them.

A therapist alone will never help, though. You have to want to follow the advice.

small ghost
Jan 30, 2013

I had one once who told me I didn't have major depression because she'd "met people with major depressive disorder and they can't even get out of bed." It was the first time I'd left my house in three months.

Then I went to a psychiatrist and she gave me a fistful of pills and a referral to a less idiotic therapist.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

I let my doctor refer me to a therapist who spent four sessions and hundreds of dollars suggesting I should keep a wall calendar, blinking when I told her I had one, and recommending it again until I gave up

She was pretty exceptional in that she didn't try anything creepy or sexual

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
There are many bad therapists and you gotta look at someone's credentials quite thoroughly. Turns out it's super easy to skirt any laws that might exist (can't quite remember at the moment what they are if any) and poo poo tons of unqualified dumbos with a bachelor's in psychology out there are calling themselves therapists.

You gotta shop around a bit with therapists anyway, even a qualified person might not click with you.

(Have a psychologist in the family.)


e: Like for real it ranges from PhD holding people with hundreds of hours spent with another psychologist in the room observing sessions before practicing on their own to people who will try to heal you with crystals.

COMRADES fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Apr 18, 2017

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Establish the Buns

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Who What Now posted:

I have both a therapist and psychiatrist and both help me immensely in different ways.

Fair enough, I had to go through 4 sessions with a therapist that tried to convince me I had anxiety about school before she referred me to a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist took 5 minutes into the first session to diagnose me with the easiest case of ADHD ever.

Gumbel2Gumbel
Apr 28, 2010

Pick posted:

Well I'd known him for many years before that, so in my mind I was like "Hopefully he'll come to his senses and return to being the person I used to admire so much."

A lot of times idiots pine after the most attractive girl they dated. I was like that for awhile because I kept on dating the most attractive women I could find and it always ended up predictably.

Gladly, now that I broke that cycle I'm no longer pining after my exes. I'm also in a relationship where our biggest "argument" this month was whether or not the coffee she has had in a folded over paper bag for 2 weeks is any good.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!
I guess it never occurred to anybody that Redditors will just lie and say "The therapist said such and such" in a way that validates their opinion even though they probably didn't even go to therapy in the first place.

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
There's that too but for real there are a lot of bad therapists out there unfortunately.

Important to know though so when someone tries one and it doesn't work out you know that it might not necessarily be anything wrong with the patient - lotta people go "well I tried therapy but it didn't work so I'm just hosed up I guess."

Tiny Deer
Jan 16, 2012

I mean the therapist who said 'yeah she might get huge great titties you love' obviously is either the Worst Therapist or imaginary.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
Wait can I just start offering therapy if I want to? I've helped dozens of people on line, or at least I would have, if they'd thought to check the /r/relationships thread on something awful dot com.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!
It's also true that people with Marriage and Family Counseling degrees are just people who couldn't hack it in their university's Masters of Social Work program.

small ghost
Jan 30, 2013

COMRADES posted:

e: Like for real it ranges from PhD holding people with hundreds of hours spent with another psychologist in the room observing sessions before practicing on their own to people who will try to heal you with crystals.

Oh yeah, dumbshit therapist had a wall full of books on homeopathy and crystal healing, which I didn't notice until after she revealed herself to be an idiot. I later found out that a friend of mine went to school with her daughter, who had been sexually abused by her Grandfather. The family covered it up and sent the kid to boarding school, where she later killed herself.

So shopping around is probably a good shout, yeah.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Wait can I just start offering therapy if I want to? I've helped dozens of people on line, or at least I would have, if they'd thought to check the /r/relationships thread on something awful dot com.

the FDA doesn't regulate advice no matter how stupid

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Wow so that cop story from the last page, he is definitely an abuser

As far as this page goes, man therapists are good but some are bad, I recommend you try to read as many peoples' experiences as you can to develop a general image of therapy before grouping your own therapist into "good" or "bad." That said please do not dump whichever current therapist you have apropos of nothing.

edit: there were two recent cop stories, i mean both the creepy cop boyfriend and the invasive :murder: dad, kill 'em both

Mameluke fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 18, 2017

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Oct 15, 2012

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Between this and the "intel 486" burn from a while back, I think Mirthless has been savaged pretty hard in this thread.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

A lot of times idiots pine after the most attractive girl they dated. I was like that for awhile because I kept on dating the most attractive women I could find and it always ended up predictably.

She's the only girl he ever dated and she was very attractive. However, the one time I met her it was clear that she absolutely hated him. But I doubt that's how it started.

Bamabalacha
Sep 18, 2006

Outta my way, ya dumb rah-rah!
My psychiatrist is also trained in CBT and does awesome talk therapy in addition to drug fiddling. He's amazing and I can't say enough good things about him.

Buuuuut I just found out that he recently started working with my SO's mom on a big study and now I feel weird whenever I bring up my SO and his family :(

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Wait can I just start offering therapy if I want to? I've helped dozens of people on line, or at least I would have, if they'd thought to check the /r/relationships thread on something awful dot com.

Sure. The only restriction is you can't hold yourself out as a "licensed" or "certified" ________ if your state regulates it and has a board and junk.

There are plenty of "therapists" and even "psychologists" who don't really have credentials.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
If you're a shy guy in a wheelchair, go to one of the most liberal colleges in the USA. You'll get at least 7 months of a really hot girl who thinks your terrible treatment of other people is because no one has ever given you a chance to reveal the beautiful gentle flower you are inside. This will drive her insane as you regularly treat her like garbage no matter what you do. Then you go out and gently caress some normal guys and realize sometimes the reason someone is a recluse is not because of mobility peripherals but because they're incredibly mean.

Theotus
Nov 8, 2014

What is wrong with you, Pick?

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc

Pick posted:

If you're a shy guy in a wheelchair, go to one of the most liberal colleges in the USA. You'll get at least 7 months of a really hot girl who thinks your terrible treatment of other people is because no one has ever given you a chance to reveal the beautiful gentle flower you are inside. This will drive her insane as you regularly treat her like garbage no matter what you do. Then you go out and gently caress some normal guys and realize sometimes the reason someone is a recluse is because they're incredibly mean.

I like the pronoun switch partway through that implies this happened to you :v:

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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Tiny Deer posted:

I have had one good therapist (put of...three, so it's not statistically significant at all) who was so good she tricked me into staying in a healthy and happy relationship even though I was a huge terrified dummy who wanted to run away.

For that reason alone I recommend trying therapy until you find a non-bad therapist. Good ones are so good at making you say 'Oh, God, I'm kind of a bad person with bad ideas' and then helping you realize you need to fix them.

A therapist alone will never help, though. You have to want to follow the advice.

Provided LA boobjob therapist exists (and I doubt it, its just an easy way to pre-emptively argue against being called a shitheel), this is probably the tack they were taking. Like....

"I can't commit unless she has bigger tits."
"And if she got a boob job, so she had bigger tits?"
"Well that wouldn't work because they are fake."
"So she can't physically change her body in a way that will make you comfortable with a commitment?"
"No, I guess I'm a shallow piece of poo poo and need to work on that." or "Maybe I'm coming up with excuses to avoid commitment." or "Yeah, that sounds kinda irrational."

And instead the boyfriend doubled down with "I must tell her her tits are too small for love."

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Charles Get-Out posted:

I like the pronoun switch partway through that implies this happened to you :v:

I'm tired today

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

COMRADES posted:

There are many bad therapists and you gotta look at someone's credentials quite thoroughly. Turns out it's super easy to skirt any laws that might exist (can't quite remember at the moment what they are if any) and poo poo tons of unqualified dumbos with a bachelor's in psychology out there are calling themselves therapists.

You gotta shop around a bit with therapists anyway, even a qualified person might not click with you.

(Have a psychologist in the family.)


e: Like for real it ranges from PhD holding people with hundreds of hours spent with another psychologist in the room observing sessions before practicing on their own to people who will try to heal you with crystals.

I saw one lady with a master's degree in interior design and an lcsw certification from an "internet college" and I wish it was someplace as prestigious as the university of Phoenix

She derailed my appointment to rant about somebody I mentioned in passing , diagnosing them with OCD over a single brief description

It really loving blows that therapy is this scammy considering the people who need it most are the ones least likely to respond well to repeated failures to find a legitimate professional

small ghost
Jan 30, 2013

Guessing game! What do you think is in the wallet?

I [27M] feel a little weird about finding something in my girlfriend's [25F] wallet.

quote:

To begin, thanks so much in advance for your kind help and advice. I generally have problems with anxiety and a little paranoia from time to time. My girlfriend and I have been dating for about 9 months now and it's been going very well.

She's had a bit of a troubled past, including a crazy ex-boyfriend who cheated on her and was very controlling. He overdosed on drugs and took his own life, that happened about a year ago (just 3 months before we met) I understand that they were quite close -- they dated on and off for about 3 years. He was sort of her first and only real boyfriend before me.

Fast forward to today... I went into her pocketbook to retrieve a hotel card I put there earlier. I noticed a very small, square-shaped vacuum sealed bag which turned out to be her ex's ashes. Attached to the other side is a photo of him with "fiancee" written on it. According to her they were never engaged.

I want to ask her about this, it makes me feel a bit uneasy that she has a need to take his ashes wherever she goes. Sometimes when she brings him up, I feel like she still has strong feelings for him, but at the same time I can tell she really likes me too.

What would you do in this situation? Maybe it's best to let it go for now, give her time to finish coping and then she'll be able to let go fully? I really can't imagine dating someone or getting engaged to them while they carry pieces of their ex around everywhere. :/

TL:DR: My girlfriend has been carrying her ex's ashes with her and I feel a little weirded out. What should I do?

Did you get it right?

Tiny Deer
Jan 16, 2012

Dienes posted:

Provided LA boobjob therapist exists (and I doubt it, its just an easy way to pre-emptively argue against being called a shitheel), this is probably the tack they were taking. Like....

"I can't commit unless she has bigger tits."
"And if she got a boob job, so she had bigger tits?"
"Well that wouldn't work because they are fake."
"So she can't physically change her body in a way that will make you comfortable with a commitment?"
"No, I guess I'm a shallow piece of poo poo and need to work on that." or "Maybe I'm coming up with excuses to avoid commitment." or "Yeah, that sounds kinda irrational."

And instead the boyfriend doubled down with "I must tell her her tits are too small for love."

Oh god, that's a little too real. Probably a possibility, then.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

Who What Now posted:

"Turned into"? "Kinda"?

I am not a good poster. I might say some funny things but deep down I know that one day all of this fame, money, and bitches will come crashing down and I'll just be another entry in the SA Greatest Sagas thread about the one disney porn drawler who got too close to the sun.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Charles Get-Out posted:

I like the pronoun switch partway through that implies this happened to you :v:

some strange dick might do wheelchair dude a world of good too

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LethalGeek
Nov 4, 2009

Post stories not how you're a sadbrain thank you.

My [32/M] ex-wife [34/F] has asked my wife [31/F] to be a surrogate. I said no. My wife wants to think about it.

quote:

My worlds are colliding.

I married very young to "Cindy" and we had a tumultuous 3 1/2 years of marriage. She and I were never right for one another and we were too young and silly and "in love" to realize that. She began a long-term affair with "Lamar". Eventually, she left me for him, and I was divorced at the whopping age of 23.

I moved on, did many of the things I had always wanted to do, got the education I wanted and then got re-married 4 years ago to my current wife "Samantha." Sam and I have a much better, more easy-going marriage. I'm happier than I've ever been, and we have a great little family. Last year, we had twin girls! So much work, but we love it. Can't complain about life at all.

Just after the kids were born, Hurricane Cindy blew through town. Cindy and Lamar are still together, living in our old town, and apparently very happy. She wanted to apologize for how she ended things - she left me a note and then I never heard from or saw her again. Her family handled all of the legal proceedings and we never set eyes on one another again. She came over, brought gifts for the kids & my wife (I'm still waiting for her to return my watch, but I digress) I accepted her apologies and got her the hell out of my house.

But, somehow she sort of stayed in contact with Samantha, much to my chagrin. When they first visited, Cindy said she and Lamar were trying for kids, but weren't pregnant. Over the last couple of months, my wife has reported that FB posts have included IVF, doctors visits, re-posting infertility blogs, etc. I know it's callous, but I frankly don't care. She and Lamar are grown-ups.

Anyway, Cindy and Lamar moved much closer to where we live, within a 10 minute drive (ugh). They popped by on Sunday to give some candy and gifts, you know, the usual, oh and ask if my wife would carry their baby. Happy Easter!

I kindly told them that it was out of the question, but if they left quickly, they wouldn't get stuck in the rain. My wife wants to think about it. I asked her what there was to think about, there's no better revenge than revenge served with a side of stay out of my life. She's my ex-wife, I don't want her in my life and I don't want her in our suburb.

My wife..... is thinking about this as if it were her. She keeps saying how she would have gone to great lengths to have kids, and she can't imagine not being able to have children. She's actually considering carrying a baby for my ex-wife and the man she had an affair with. I feel like this is a gross over-stepping of boundaries, but my wife wants us to stop and talk about this at another time.

Am I being unreasonable here? Is there really anything to consider?

First, neither my ex nor Lamar are well-to-do, and I doubt they really have the resources to truly cover the expenses involved, so there's that. Moreover, I just don't want my wife going through another pregnancy that is ultimately unnecessary. We'd like to have more kids, and this would push us out by a few years. I feel like, again, my ex makes unreasonable requests and people just seem to give in.

tl;dr: My ex-wife and her husband cannot conceive children on their own and are asking my wife to be a surrogate for them. I have categorically shut the door to it, but my wife wants to consider their request. Am I being unreasonable in saying no to this?

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