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Human Grand Prix posted:I actually think Marchionne is a huge dumbass. You'll actually find that he's one heck of a CEO and is ruthless to turn his companies around. I think he's with the rest of us when we say we're fed up with Kimi's attitude.
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1500quidporsche posted:I am sort of curious how different this situation would've played out under Ron. Something very urgently has to be done from either Honda or McLaren. To be fair, Ron is the reason why McLaren are so poo poo right now. He took a gamble with Honda and it didnt pay off.
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Apr 18, 2017 20:19
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Wirth1000 posted:You'll actually find that he's one heck of a CEO and is ruthless to turn his companies around. He's a finance guy. He's good at shifting numbers and cutting corners to make things look good to shareholders, but he's done nothing to actually build that business. The actual long-term outlook of FCA is far worse than it was when they first merged.
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Apr 18, 2017 20:20
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He looks like an Indiana Jones villein.
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Apr 18, 2017 20:20
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Ron would be proud of this synergy https://twitter.com/takiinoue/status/854402236784488448
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Apr 18, 2017 20:26
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At least the shark fin doesn't look like total rear end anymore. See, baby steps.
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Apr 18, 2017 20:28
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:To be fair, Ron is the reason why McLaren are so poo poo right now. He took a gamble with Honda and it didnt pay off. It's so bizarre that the dude did everything right and was unstoppable during the 80s and has done nothing right ever since. He's like the Michael Jackson of Team Principals.
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1500quidporsche posted:It's so bizarre that the dude did everything right and was unstoppable during the 80s and has done nothing right ever since. He's like the Michael Jackson of Team Principals. You could replace "Ron" with Honda and you'd have the same story.
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1500quidporsche posted:It's so bizarre that the dude did everything right and was unstoppable during the 80s and has done nothing right ever since. He's like the Michael Jackson of Team Principals. Mika era Mclaren was good.
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1500quidporsche posted:He's a finance guy. He's good at shifting numbers and cutting corners to make things look good to shareholders, but he's done nothing to actually build that business. The actual long-term outlook of FCA is far worse than it was when they first merged. Yeah, he made the books look good until the merger that never came, now he's bailing before the collapse.
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Apr 18, 2017 21:03
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I hate to bring up car chat again but for an example of everything wrong with Marchionne's approach in North America take a look at the Dodge Dart.
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Apr 18, 2017 21:06
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I think you guys are reading too much into Marchionne. He's a fantastic CEO who returned Ferrari to winning ways and hates Kimi. Did I mention he hates Kimi? What other god drat criteria do you need. FCA tanking in the next couple of years has nothing to do this with. He. Hates. Kimi.
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Apr 18, 2017 21:08
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drat frog boy stop making me like you http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/tv-reporter-loses-his-bleep-ing-bleep-when-he-gets-i-1794413183
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Basticle posted:drat frog boy stop making me like you From the same page http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/f1-pr-stunt-gone-wrong-is-almost-too-awkward-to-watch-1788636865 LOL
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1500quidporsche posted:He's a finance guy. He's good at shifting numbers and cutting corners to make things look good to shareholders, but he's done nothing to actually build that business. The actual long-term outlook of FCA is far worse than it was when they first merged.
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Kilmers Elbow posted:From the same page This was awkward just reading this, god drat.
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Wirth1000 posted:Zak Brown is literally just another Adam Parr. A businessman who isn't interested in actually pushing towards the front as long as the books are balanced. That's all Williams was for years and years. This rant is based on....?
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Basticle posted:drat frog boy stop making me like you What the? quote:Max: [realizing what he has done, laughing, making GBS threads] “.....sorry.”
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that doesnt make sense? like he said gently caress ok i got that bit, but then max said poo poo? Is that the big deal?
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Apr 18, 2017 23:32
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Max poo poo his pants, that is the big deal
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Max poo poo his pants, that is the big deal Babies just do this sometimes.
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Nill posted:They really should have focused on growing Fiat as a brand in the US and funded new R&D at Chrysler instead of cannibalizing Italian platforms into poorly received re-badged reworks. Fiat dealerships languished with nothing but the 500 to sell for years and their eventual response was to run it into the ground with 3 (4?) size variants of the 500 like some ersatz Mini Cooper that failed to take off, souring the Marque, while the Chrysler Group brands could have coasted a few more years on sheer momentum. He pretty well hosed himself pouring a ton of money so that new Alfa platform would be a BMW fighter but there's like zero brand awareness of Alfa outside of europe so its just going to be a very pricey car with none of the brand awareness that BMW brings. He's banking on Alfa being this big hit but its going to fall flat on its rear end in north america. He did the exact opposite of what he should've done. He should've designed a cheap as poo poo but modern replacement for the ancient LX platform. Give the platform to pininfarina, lop two cylinders off a ferrari engine, shoehorn it in and you have your new Alfa. Then just price it slightly below the M3 and scream as loudly as possible that it definitely isn't a Ferrari engine there's absolutely no link between them whatsoever and it'll sell like hotcakes. e: I have a feeling he was thinking he was going the same thing for Chrysler/Dodge that he did for Fiat where he just licenses/codevelops some platforms and sells the cars at a premium, but the issue is those brands are at the bottom of their price point. F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Nill posted:They really should have focused on growing Fiat as a brand in the US and funded new R&D at Chrysler instead of cannibalizing Italian platforms into poorly received re-badged reworks. Fiat dealerships languished with nothing but the 500 to sell for years and their eventual response was to run it into the ground with 3 (4?) size variants of the 500 like some ersatz Mini Cooper that failed to take off, souring the Marque, while the Chrysler Group brands could have coasted a few more years on sheer momentum. having driven a UK Fiat 500, I'm surprised they haven't gone bankrupt. I used one as a courtesy car after years of driving a Ford KA and holy poo poo it really is the most miserable, awful car I have ever driven
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it depends what you want if the cute bubble car appeals to you then its a cute bubble car. So was the original cinquecento. I went in one of the new minis and that's a complete pile of poo poo. What is with the huge dial in the centre of the dash? Who is that for? Why? Goddamn that is a poo poo car
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Chrysler is like aw sweet 800 hp cars, oh uh cars anyone can afford? Lmao
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Human Grand Prix posted:I hate to bring up car chat again but for an example of everything wrong with Marchionne's approach in North America take a look at the Dodge Dart. I wanted the Dart to be good. For some reason, its looks really appeal to me...
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:having driven a UK Fiat 500, I'm surprised they haven't gone bankrupt. I used one as a courtesy car after years of driving a Ford KA and holy poo poo it really is the most miserable, awful car I have ever driven The Abarth 500 is fantastic though.
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It wins the price for most fake exhaust sound ever. I laugh every time I hear/see one.
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1500quidporsche posted:He pretty well hosed himself pouring a ton of money so that new Alfa platform would be a BMW fighter but there's like zero brand awareness of Alfa outside of europe so its just going to be a very pricey car with none of the brand awareness that BMW brings. He's banking on Alfa being this big hit but its going to fall flat on its rear end in north america. They rebadged the LX as a Lancia. Sacrelidge. I do like the new Alfa though.
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wicka posted:This rant is based on....? I agree with most of it. Brown probably wouldn't be opposed to customer engines. I know Bouiller isn't.
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wicka posted:This rant is based on....? I wanted to make my dick feel big
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ImplicitAssembler posted:It wins the price for most fake exhaust sound ever. I laugh every time I hear/see one. What does that even mean?
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Human Grand Prix posted:I agree with most of it. Brown probably wouldn't be opposed to customer engines. I know Bouiller isn't. Again: based on........? What triggered that meltdown? What made him lose his poo poo about Zak Brown, of all people? It's just "HE ONLY CARES ABOUT MARKETING!!!" out of nowhere and I don't get it.
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wicka posted:Again: based on........? What triggered that meltdown? What made him lose his poo poo about Zak Brown, of all people? It's just "HE ONLY CARES ABOUT MARKETING!!!" out of nowhere and I don't get it. on the flip side: there's been zero to suggest Brown cares about anything other than marketing and his job of attracting sponsors would admittedly be easier if that car had a Mercedes in the back of it and was making it onto the occasional podium.
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1500quidporsche posted:on the flip side: there's been zero to suggest Brown cares about anything other than marketing and his job of attracting sponsors would admittedly be easier if that car had a Mercedes in the back of it and was making it onto the occasional podium. This isn't logic. I have no proof you aren't a murderer, either.
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McLaren had a bad season in 2014 when they had a Merc engine so IMO the real problem is that McLaren is a bad team with bad engineers and are fail and haven't won a WCC since 1998. Awful
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I just don't understand why, apropos of nothing, we were blessed with a "Zak Brown sucks" rant.
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Yes. Yes that is right. They are dead and gone. Along with RBR and Williams, the days of buying crate engines and your ex ww2 british aerodynamics engineers coming with the chassis are past. If you dont build engines you arent going to be able to really compete. McLaren can buy a Merc engine, that wont change things. We can see Alonso fight with Massa for 8th.
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