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The framing device leads to a real cool moment but I think all of the Sae's "YOU MUST HAVE HAD SOMEONE CAPABLE OF PUNTING YOU INTO THE VELVET ROOM! IT'S THE ONLY WAY! WHO WERE THEY? TELL ME!" monologues are super bad. They should have had Sae have an interjection every time you started a book, dvd, or other side activity. Also question: Do you still get Sae's monologues if you wait to begin a S.Link after the Framing device?
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Persona! Bug-Zuh
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Exmond posted:Could you explain why one of the Tower persona is a penis riding a chariot? Mara was a demon who tempted the Buddha and Wikipedia says he's often associated with death and rebirth, which I guess ties into the Tower's symbolism of rebirth-through-tribulation.
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OneDeadman posted:The framing device leads to a real cool moment but I think all of the Sae's "YOU MUST HAVE HAD SOMEONE CAPABLE OF PUNTING YOU INTO THE VELVET ROOM! IT'S THE ONLY WAY! WHO WERE THEY? TELL ME!" monologues are super bad. Nope.
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Exmond posted:Could you explain why one of the Tower persona is a penis riding a chariot? The demon Mara might be easier to equate with the Devil because it's a symbol of temptation, but its actual role in Buddhism is easier represented as a figure that brings ruin and the "death of enlightenment" by introducing temporal matters that can unseat you spiritually, and yet it is also through this tribulation that provides the focus to understand what it really means to release yourself from the material world (thus the transition from the Devil, to the Tower, to the Star). The Tower is also arguably a penis.
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The tower being a penis is also probably why you get gun skills from it.
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I just couldn't get it up because I was being attacked by lightning bolts. Of truth. In my crotch.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9W7THY3aUs&t=213s
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Is it possible to save up more than one Mementos request and do more than one at a time? Spending two time slots on one mini-boss seems like a bit of a waste.
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PirateBob posted:Is it possible to save up more than one Mementos request and do more than one at a time? Spending two time slots on one mini-boss seems like a bit of a waste. Yeah. My personal record was going in with five requests.
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PirateBob posted:Is it possible to save up more than one Mementos request and do more than one at a time? Spending two time slots on one mini-boss seems like a bit of a waste. There is no limit to how many you can do
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I feel like I'm going to gently caress up my Mishima link in NG+ by being really reluctant to set foot in Mementos without a dozen requests
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PirateBob posted:Is it possible to save up more than one Mementos request and do more than one at a time? Spending two time slots on one mini-boss seems like a bit of a waste. Yes, I just usually save them up until the Palace resolves and a new area opens up.
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Thanks. How do I create a Shiisa with Frei (2nd request from the wardens)?
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Is there symbolism behind the little letters on the Twin Wardens' hats?
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Pastrymancy posted:Is there symbolism behind the little letters on the Twin Wardens' hats? It spells oxymoron PirateBob posted:Thanks. Jack Frost (Magician) x Makami (Temperance) – inherit Frei
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Pastrymancy posted:Is there symbolism behind the little letters on the Twin Wardens' hats? If you put the letters from one in the obvious, signaled gaps of the other it spells OXYMORON
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Oh lol actually I just realized, throughout the whole game, all of the Palace shadows have a naming scheme...(endgame spoilers) They are all named after fallen angels in SMT's universe. The boss turns out to be diet-YHVH and the Four Angels. So this is a proper SMT game, with you as a True Neutral protagonist who takes out all the Chaos guys, then beats up the Law guys and makes the world better for everybody. You even get a choice at different times to side with Chaos or Law, which result in bad endings.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Oh lol actually I just realized, throughout the whole game, all of the Palace shadows have a naming scheme...(endgame spoilers) Given the main thrust of the game is rebeling against an unjust order and you end up summoning friggin'
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DrManiac posted:Futaba is totally the best navigator gameplay wise I thought she would be lame from her skills list but you can feel her presence in every battle. Final guard has saved me from a game over countless times and free mediaramas, heat risers, and charges/concentrates is insane. Yeah I agree, she's miles above anything Rise was helping out with in P4. Final Guard is a literal lifesaver, and the last two you mentioned are real good and can strongly turn the tides of a battle.
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NowonSA posted:Yeah I agree, she's miles above anything Rise was helping out with in P4. Final Guard is a literal lifesaver, and the last two you mentioned are real good and can strongly turn the tides of a battle. Rise could do literally everything Futaba can do except Heat Riser (which is absurd, to be fair) and she could loving revive you from death once per fight. I like what Futaba can do but she's honestly kind of a nerf.
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NowonSA posted:Yeah I agree, she's miles above anything Rise was helping out with in P4. Final Guard is a literal lifesaver, and the last two you mentioned are real good and can strongly turn the tides of a battle. I think rise could do that in P4:the golden
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Arist posted:Rise could do literally everything Futaba can do except Heat Riser (which is absurd, to be fair) and she could loving revive you from death once per fight. I like what Futaba can do but she's honestly kind of a nerf. Golden made the party way too powerful overall, Rise especially.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Golden made the party way too powerful overall, Rise especially. I don't disagree.
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multijoe posted:Given the main thrust of the game is rebeling against an unjust order and you end up summoning friggin' yeah, tho you could argue that it's more of a neutral ending since the party goes along with sae and works within the law to get joker out of jail instead of becoming outlaws or something at the end, which would've been ridiculous but also kind of awesome
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wizard on a water slide posted:yeah, tho you could argue that it's more of a neutral ending since the party goes along with sae and works within the law to get joker out of jail instead of becoming outlaws or something at the end, which would've been ridiculous but also kind of awesome i mean except that they sabotage a copper's car and drive off to go do more crimes rather than send joker home. its only a neutral ending by smt standards because both law and chaos in traditional smt are thoroughly anathema to humanity
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I don't know poo poo about tarot cards but I heard each one is a goofy take on what they normally should be. I get that hanged man talkin' on a cell phone is funny but the rest fly over my head. If anyone has time to explain the jokes in them I'd super appreciate it. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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UberJew posted:i mean except that they sabotage a copper's car and drive off to go do more crimes rather than send joker home. its only a neutral ending by smt standards because both law and chaos in traditional smt are thoroughly anathema to humanity I don't think they're going to do crimes, just a fun teen roadtrip without any loving cops following them
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I don't know poo poo about tarot cards but I heard each one is a goofy take on what they normally should be. Strength is one of my favorites bc I think the design in P5 is hilarious. In the original card, the implication is that the woman is a gentle but firm spirit who has tamed the beast, suggesting that "Strength" implies more of an inner strength than a physical one. By contrast...  P5's design has the woman looking like a demented psychopath prying a lion's mouth open, and the lion looking fearful. It's about physical strength, even sadism, which makes it perfect for the Wardens (or at least Caroline).
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multijoe posted:Given the main thrust of the game is rebeling against an unjust order and you end up summoning friggin' Also I shot God in the head with a desert eagle or something, so I'm eternally satisfied with the ending
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Every description of the Devil arcana I can find emphasizes how the chains on the human figures are very loose and could easily be escaped, symbolizing how their bondage is mental, not physical, but the P5 one has very tight collars.
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I love this Tarot, Arcana discussion it's one of my favorite parts of Persona. Thank you everybody.
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One more favorite that's more of a clever subversion than just a sight gag (like some of them): As I posted earlier when talking about Tatsuya and Persona 2, the Sun arcana is a powerful positive one which indicates all the positive things we associate with the sun irl: new beginnings, vitality, and triumph. It's the dawn, and the dawn is a thing with pretty unambiguously positive implications. Usually...  If you live in the desert or labor in the fields, the sun is a pretty merciless piece of poo poo.
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can you buy a physical set of the tarot cards anywhere. you can get the p4 ones but these are much better even without the absurd artwork.
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I'm not super well versed in tarot symbology but I assume that the cigarette the emperor is smoking and the porn the high preistess is looking at are not in a normal tarot deck 
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They're all real good. Like this guy's supposed to be the confident, victorious warrior. rip
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I don't know poo poo about tarot cards but I heard each one is a goofy take on what they normally should be. Magician: Instead of being a wise holyman who provides the fool with advice, here he's a crass looking criminal sort looking over a bloody table of tools. Priestess: she's looking at porno Empress: Instead of dignified and with mental strength, here she's in a skimpy outfit and got her legs spread and a sword and shield, implying physical strength. Emperor: Instead of sitting dignified and stern he's smoking a bowl and leaning against his throne. Hierophant: Instead of smiling softly and raising his hand invitingly, he's giving a shiteating grin and a thumbsdown. Lovers: Instead of an obvious adam and eve thing, this one seems to be depicting a love triangle Chariot: The man riding the chariot isn't strong and confident, he's got a broken arm and a beaten down, pathetic expression. Justice: He has empty scales in the proper tarot, but here he has a scale where a money bag is outweighing a heart, IE: money is more important than justice. Hermit: Instead of a quiet, railthin wiseman type, he looks kinda fat and is also sticking his tongue out. His lamp's also off. Wheel of Fortune: Instead of the sphinx on type being a neutral figure, he's sneering down, and instead of the figures in the wheel being fine where they are they seem desperate to get off mr. bones' wild ride. Strength: Someone already covered this - instead of mental strength, she's just wrestling a lion. Hanged Man: you get this one, but it's worth nothing that the symbolism of the hanged man is that by being disconnected from other people, he's found enlightenment. Naturally the cellphone goes against that. Death: The point of Death is that it isn't actually physical death, just an emotional one - the figure in black in the actual death card isnt harming anyone, he's just arrived. Here death is going to town. Temperance: Instead of a calm transfer of water from one cup to the other, it seems all over the place. Instead of a quiet expression, the angel seems surprised and lost. The terrain behind her is barren instead of grassy wetlands. Devil: Someone already covered this - loose binds became tight ones. Tower: The arrows firing at the people escaping the tower mean that they're screwed even though they've escaped. Star: Instead of pouring water into the lake, the woman is drinking greedily from it. Moon: Instead of the dog, the fox, and the lobster all staring up wistfully and peacefully at the moon, they're all ganging up on a person. Sun: Instead of children below the sun, there's two skeletons - the sun's burned the entire area to a crisp. Judgement: Instead of a young family celebrating below the angel, it seems to be a skeleton and two people praying for mercy.
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