Warbadger posted:It doesn't need to be top of the line. Even with old ammunition the Carl Gustav has enough range to hit a moving target out past 400m and a stationary one past 600m. Thus coming back to my original point: Smiling Jack posted:If shooting at a competent enemy expect to get hosed up by infantry / another MBT / etc while preparing your second shot The best way to disable a modern tank is by destroying it, not futzing around with specialty rounds to destroy sensors. The original poster was asking about using a carl Gustav with hypothetical blinding rounds and then destroying the target with follow up shots. If you're trying to do this with a CG at the 400-600m engagement range you're going to get hosed up. Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Assuming that nuclear winter didn't get us all, one of the interesting byproducts of a cold war exchange would probably be turning the equatorial nations that are currently dumpster fires into the new major powers. This is the plot to the Heinlein novel Farnham's Freehold. Africans basically inherit the earth after all the white people nuke themselves out of existence.
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Smiling Jack posted:Thus coming back to my original point: I never said attempting to blind a tank or firing at it multiple times was a good idea. I said that modern man-portable anti-tank weapons are actually pretty deadly because even if they can't punch a hole in the front of the best MBTs out there they can absolutely skullfuck any one of them from the sides and rear.
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Squalid posted:Has anyone seen any nuclear war plans put out by countries that didn't expect to be directly involved in a missile exchange? I know the Swiss built a lot of bunkers but what was their plan to deal with the economic fall out? How did the Australian government plan to handle all their biggest trade partners incinerating their export/import facilities? Did Mexico have a plan to seal the northern border against south bound refugees? Austria  was a neutral country jammed right between East and West. In the event of WWIII Austria's foremost concerns were to be used as a "shortcut" by NATO or Warsaw Pact troops, like Belgium was in first two world wars. By ignoring Austria's neutrality, NATO could have shortened their support lines between Italy and Germany and attack Hungary, and Warsaw Pact forces could have fallen into Southern Germany, supporting the flanks of the CSSR front.Of course tiny Austria could never hope to hold off a full-on superpower determined to march through, so the plan was to 1) Line the supposed marching routes with bunkers and defensive forces using both conventional and guerilla tactics to dissuade potential enemies by making their troop movements costly and 2) To have a hardened, heavily defended central base ("Basisraum") in the middle of the alps that also happens to be in an strategically unimportant area for the NATO/Warsaw Pact forces. The main purpose of the Basisraum was to ensure continuity of Austrian government to be able to discuss the after-war order of Europe (  ) as an independent political entity, probably by posing as an eagle really hurt about ignored neutrality. That's the government plans that were released a few years back and describe several scenarios of conventional war. For a full-on nuclear exchange, central sites were radiation hardened, and Austria of course had an extensive program of civilian defense preparations and strategic reserves. It's quite possible that I've missed plans regarding the post-war situation, but actually I heavily suspect that they suggest improvisation right there. Default Settings fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 20:32
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Pilots sharing stories about dodging SAM's from the 1st Gulf War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkWKMAzy2bM
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Apr 18, 2017 21:26
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Wingnut Ninja posted:This is the plot to the Heinlein novel Farnham's Freehold. Africans basically inherit the earth after all the white people nuke themselves out of existence. A plot that Heinlein was essentially commissioned to write by legendary editor and notable bigot Kesper North fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 22:19
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And in Y: The Last Man, where every male on the planet save a handful die almost instantaneously, suddenly Israel and Australia are the most powerful nations on earth because one has the most trained female soldiers, and the other rules the seas because they've had female sailors and submariners for a long time. Whereas in the US, you've got the wives of Republican senators storming the White House to try and forcibly take over their husband's seats, and wives of white supremacists cutting the country in half McVeigh Gambit-style. Oh, and an insane super-liberal chess player who brainwashes women into becoming her own personal Amazonian army.
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Apr 18, 2017 22:24
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Kesper North posted:Joseph W. Campbell P. sure that was John, not Joseph.
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Sperglord Actual posted:P. sure that was John, not Joseph. Herp derp, thank you, yes.
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More new helo-chopter video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HncZgouxt9k
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Nuts to haters who don't think it looks sexy.
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Apr 18, 2017 23:21
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Back Hack posted:Nuts to haters who don't think it looks sexy. I guess it's sexy if you think a flying Eggplant is sexy.
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220kph*! * when no weapons are loaded Cruises at 10,000 feet at 95F*! * and dies to even a 70s-vintage SA-7 fired by a goatherder with one eye that has a cataract ----- Come to think of it, that's a really hosed up statistic. I've been at 10k on a mountain - it can be 100F+ at sea level, but it's gonna be in the 40s-50s up there. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:220kph*! Isn't that speed earmarked for when it's fully loaded with weapons and passengers, I read it can get up to nearly 300 mph when unarmed.
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Well the alternative to the raider is the loving V-280 and I'll take Lockmarts crazy claims any day of the week to not get a halfassed tiltrotor that looks like poo poo.
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Mazz posted:Well the alternative to the raider is the loving V-280 and I'll take Lockmarts crazy claims any day of the week to not get a halfassed tiltrotor that looks like poo poo. Why? The performance advantage of a tiltrotor is enormous. The V-22 is expensive, yes, but delivers on speed and range. It doesn't look halfassed, and the point of the aircraft isn't to look cool in a video game. quote:Come to think of it, that's a really hosed up statistic. I've been at 10k on a mountain - it can be 100F+ at sea level, but it's gonna be in the 40s-50s up there. There are places that get extremely hot at high altitude (some cities in the Andes and in Africa), and you're not going to be cruising much higher than that in an unpressurized aircraft. edit: point in the V-280's favor, no wing folding mechanism like in the V-22 which is a huge source of complexity Mortabis fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Apr 19, 2017 00:58
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Back Hack posted:Nuts to haters who don't think it looks sexy. Looks alone are going to kill this thing. It does not look tough enough to get past the Pentagon. Cf. the X-32.
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The X-32 lost because the X-35 was able to transition into supersonic flight without modifications on the ground and the X-32 couldn't.
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Mortabis posted:The X-32 lost because the X-35 was able to transition into supersonic flight without modifications on the ground and the X-32 couldn't. They totally had a plan for it though!
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BIG HEADLINE posted:
Not sure where you're coming up with that one.
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I don't see why the Osprey would be any more vulnerable to anti-air than a regular helicopter, or say a C-130.
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any SAGE enthusiasts in the house? specifically, enthusiasts who can tell me more about GATR and why what I presume is an antenna for an AN/FRT-49 has this weird ring arrangement with small patch antennas or whatever those are on it (??) i walked all the way around the top of a mountain to get these photos  
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My wild-assed-guess would be that its capable out outputting directionally-unique signals, sort-of like a VOR or TACAN.
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I think so, too, but those look way too small for directional antenna elements for the frequencies I thought that used.
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Mortabis posted:The X-32 lost because the X-35 was able to transition into supersonic flight without modifications on the ground and the X-32 couldn't. What?
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Mortabis posted:It doesn't look halfassed, and the point of the aircraft isn't to look cool in a video game.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:I guess it's sexy if you think a flying Eggplant is sexy. Its got a similar look to the Ka-50/52, minus the sensors and armaments. A bit less boxy. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Richard Bong posted:What? They had to change out or take off a part of the intake or something like that. It wasn't able to take off vertically, and then fly supersonic. It could only do one, then reconfigure, then the other.
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Hubis posted:Yes but how much do they weigh relative to a 6ft tall man. USA Today readers demand to know! This is my favorite scale ever.
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tangy yet delightful posted:I think you will find that the US Military is at least 50% about looking cool in a video game. Also known as the Ace Combat method of determining combat effectiveness.
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Warbadger posted:I never said attempting to blind a tank or firing at it multiple times was a good idea. I said that modern man-portable anti-tank weapons are actually pretty deadly because even if they can't punch a hole in the front of the best MBTs out there they can absolutely skullfuck any one of them from the sides and rear. getting the side shot is the hard part.
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atomicthumbs posted:any SAGE enthusiasts in the house? It looks like maybe a direction finding array, but I don't really know anything about this system. If it's only direction finding they wouldn't need much bandwidth and could be smaller and so for a lower frequency than if they were transmit/receive. I can't really tell how big those panels are, but I'd guess quarter wave is plenty and maybe they could be really compact in panel format.
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Godholio posted:This is my favorite scale ever. just to make the reference explicit... 
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bewbies posted:They had to change out or take off a part of the intake or something like that. It wasn't able to take off vertically, and then fly supersonic. It could only do one, then reconfigure, then the other. Oh, I assumed that was hyperbole for comedic effect... That seems like such a spectacular oversight for a next gen fighter, how did that make it through any of the design stages? I know the Russians had adjustable nose cones 40 years ago for supersonic flight and I'm sure we have the tech.
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Boeing was waiting for the government to say "you know what VTOL is loving stupid gently caress the Marines take that out" but it never happened. Real answer: no idea
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glynnenstein posted:It looks like maybe a direction finding array, but I don't really know anything about this system. If it's only direction finding they wouldn't need much bandwidth and could be smaller and so for a lower frequency than if they were transmit/receive. I can't really tell how big those panels are, but I'd guess quarter wave is plenty and maybe they could be really compact in panel format. i'm gonna go back there and climb the tower and figure this poo poo out
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Smiling Jack posted:Boeing was waiting for the government to say "you know what VTOL is loving stupid gently caress the Marines take that out" but it never happened. iirc (it's been a long time since I've seen that Nova episode) Boeing had designed the aircraft around the idea that the wing was going to be a single piece of carbon fiber from wingtip to wingtip. But they couldn't pull it off in time for the flyoff, so they had to strip a bunch of poo poo off the aircraft to get it to take off vertically, and I believe taking those bits off made it so the aircraft couldn't break the speed of sound.
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Q_res posted:iirc (it's been a long time since I've seen that Nova episode) Boeing had designed the aircraft around the idea that the wing was going to be a single piece of carbon fiber from wingtip to wingtip. But they couldn't pull it off in time for the flyoff, so they had to strip a bunch of poo poo off the aircraft to get it to take off vertically, and I believe taking those bits off made it so the aircraft couldn't break the speed of sound. Ok that would make a lot more sense.
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ought ten posted:Looks alone are going to kill this thing. It does not look tough enough to get past the Pentagon. Cf. the X-32. It's going to be replacing the Little Bird helicopter, the dual rotor system and increased speed/acceleration pretty much guarantee it's going to be a hell of a lot more survivable than it. E: gently caress you typos Back Hack fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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