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Alienwarehouse
Apr 1, 2017

spacetoaster posted:

Dem turnout was 57 million in 2012. It was 66 million in 2016. How is that a lower turnout?

Obama got 65.9 million votes in 2012. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

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Yug
Aug 6, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Alienwarehouse posted:

Oh I think they will be, once they realize that Trump was full of poo poo on trade and the preservation of Medicare, Medicaid, and SS. I mean, there's only a record amount of suicides and drug addictions occurring in the region due to their livelihoods being outsourced by banks and corporations, AKA Trump's donors.

Banks and corporations are Democrat donors as well. You are incredibly naive.

Alienwarehouse
Apr 1, 2017

Yug posted:

Banks and corporations are Democrat donors as well. You are incredibly naive.

Hence why socialists and communists refused to vote for Hillary; you are correct.

Yug
Aug 6, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
And TRump hasn;t been full of poo poo on trade at all. He ended TPP right away, something Clinton asolutely would not have done. b

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014


Oh. I wasn't seeing the final numbers.

Alienwarehouse
Apr 1, 2017

I don't know what you're political affiliation is, Yug, but even the alt-right wants single-payer and money out of politics now. Corporate greed fucks over everyone, not just one particular constituency.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/4/15164598/alt-right-single-payer-health-care-trump

Alienwarehouse
Apr 1, 2017

Yug posted:

And TRump hasn;t been full of poo poo on trade at all. He ended TPP right away, something Clinton asolutely would not have done. b

I was referring to NAFTA and the WTO. But yes, I gave him props for getting rid of the TPP.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Alienwarehouse posted:

I was referring to NAFTA and the WTO. But yes, I gave him props for getting rid of the TPP.

Most recently is the China thing too (China is actually threatening military action against NK now.). Which is batshit insane to me. China is the reason that NK still exists so it seems like a really big deal to me.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

spacetoaster posted:

Most recently is the China thing too (China is actually threatening military action against NK now.). Which is batshit insane to me. China is the reason that NK still exists so it seems like a really big deal to me.

The fact China is sick of their poo poo changes everything. NK's time is soon to come to an end.

At this point their relationship is like some guy trying to get a good job and respectable accomplishments while maintaining a friendship with his frat bro that is still drinking until he vomits every night and has to call every few months asking for bail money for starting fights again while telling the cops to suck his dick.

Maybe a lovely analogy, but it kind of sums it up.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Apr 19, 2017

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
At first I figured Trump would settle for Syria or some Banana Republic that went red, but NOPE, he even sent Pence to SK to herald the end of the "patience policy". Although I'm not sure what they're doing with that aircraft carrier now.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Blazing Ownager posted:

The fact China is sick of their poo poo changes everything. NK's time is soon to come to an end.

At this point their relationship is like some guy trying to get a good job and respectable accomplishments while maintaining a friendship with his frat bro that is still drinking until he vomits every night and has to call every few months asking for bail money for starting fights again while telling the cops to suck his dick.

Maybe a lovely analogy, but it kind of sums it up.

Another Donald Trump success story. :smuggo:

Til the nukes start flying.

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

spacetoaster posted:

Oh. I wasn't seeing the final numbers.

Not only that but the Dems had low turnout where they really needed to not have low turnout.

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

Could somebody who's reading the book post some funny poo poo from it? The usual political slapfights are far less entertaining than funny poo poo from the book would be.

lazorexplosion
Mar 19, 2016

Everything about this election was perfect, well done to everybody involved. I don't see how you could possibly top this performance next time, but given that you have already exceeded my highest hopes I will wait with eager anticipation.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

lazorexplosion posted:

Everything about this election was perfect, well done to everybody involved. I don't see how you could possibly top this performance next time, but given that you have already exceeded my highest hopes I will wait with eager anticipation.

Wait till Kanye runs and wins. You haven't seen poo poo.

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

lazorexplosion posted:

Everything about this election was perfect, well done to everybody involved. I don't see how you could possibly top this performance next time, but given that you have already exceeded my highest hopes I will wait with eager anticipation.

Cue A Perfect Circle - "Imagine"

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Honky Dong Country posted:

Could somebody who's reading the book post some funny poo poo from it? The usual political slapfights are far less entertaining than funny poo poo from the book would be.

I looked up some articles and I think I want ot read this book:

quote:

“Shattered” also reveals that Clinton gave the first national television interview of her campaign to the wrong journalist. Literally the wrong journalist.

Communications director Jennifer Palmieri reportedly asked top aide Huma Abedin who Clinton wanted to do the interview. When Clinton replied, “Brianna,” Palmieri booked her on CNN with Brianna Keilar. It turned out that Clinton had actually meant “Bianna,” as in Yahoo! News’ Bianna Golodryga, the wife of Obama Budget Director Peter Orszag. Orszag had also served in the Clinton administration as an economist.

“By the time the mistake was realized, it was too late to pull back,” Allen and Parnes wrote.

The interview, the two wrote, “was a disaster.” An aide described Clinton as “staring daggers” at Keilar during the interview, which did not serve her press team’s hopes of revealing a Hillary Clinton at ease with the press and confident her email troubles were nothing to be concerned about.

quote:

In the aftermath of her Democratic primary defeat in 2008, Clinton had an aide download the emails of all her staffers, according to the book. A staffer told the authors that Clinton wanted to know “who was talking to who, who was leaking to who.”

“She believed her campaign had failed her - not the other way around,” the staffer said.

Clinton then used the information in post-election meetings with aides during an “autopsy” to figure out what went wrong.

“The men and women she met with, apparently unaware she has access to their emails, were amazed that a woman who had been traveling the country in pursuit of the presidency had such a detailed grasp of the machinations at the campaign’s command center
in the Washington suburbs,” the authors write.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/4-excerpts-from-shattered-and-what-they-tell-us-about-clintons-loss/

CassandraZara
Oct 21, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
That's a dumb mistake to make, always assume your employer has access to your emails.

lorn Wayne
Jan 7, 2006

:staredog::meowth::pipe:

CassandraZara posted:

That's a dumb mistake to make, always assume your employer has access to your emails.

i assume everyone has access to my everything at all times, this has served me well.

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May 27, 2004



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Juche can't touch this.

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

lol I like how she interviewed with the wrong journalist and then eyeballed the poor broad like it was her fault.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
I'm about 40% of the way through the book and while it has some juicy stories, it would be better if it came 10 years later when most of the people interviewed weren't playing for their next job.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Panzeh posted:

I'm about 40% of the way through the book and while it has some juicy stories, it would be better if it came 10 years later when most of the people interviewed weren't playing for their next job.

Of what you've read so far, which story has been the most illustrative of the campaign?

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

Jonas Albrecht posted:

Of what you've read so far, which story has been the most illustrative of the campaign?

probably the story where she lost the election because she sucks

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Jonas Albrecht posted:

Of what you've read so far, which story has been the most illustrative of the campaign?

A lot of the choicest stuff has already been posted in articles. The part where "Bill Clinton" excoriates the entire campaign staff for not managing to 'kill the e-mail thing' and 'get her message out' and no one said a word(I believe this may actually be someone trying to protect Hillary's reputation. You have to be careful with some of these stories. Some of the things attributed to Mook probably weren't him, either.)

I also like the story where "Mook" decides to shut down the Iowa ad campaign for the holiday season, believing people don't care about politics at that time, and subsequently losing Hillary's lead to Bernie when Sanders finally decides to pick up some ad buys during the holiday season. I use quotes for Mook's name because there is a general tendency to attribute almost every campaign misstep to Mook, which is hard to believe.

Still, watching a campaign get outfoxed at several points by an opponent's campaign run by a guy who runs a comic/board game shop is loving hilarious.

berth ell pup
Mar 20, 2017

I am a business magnet.
Announcing your campaign on loving yahoo in tyool 2014-15? lmbo

The Dennis System
Aug 4, 2014

Nothing in Jurassic World is natural, we have always filled gaps in the genome with the DNA of other animals. And if the genetic code was pure, many of them would look quite different. But you didn't ask for reality, you asked for more teeth.

spacetoaster posted:


Anybody going to buy this thing?

Sweet Christ, no.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
It's pretty clear in the writing that the people that were interviewed think Hillary's done. It's actually very negative about Hillary's management style and her objectives for the campaign. Certain people, most notably Podesta, get glossed over and these are probably people who think they've got a future.

lorn Wayne
Jan 7, 2006

:staredog::meowth::pipe:

bonerjam posted:

Announcing your campaign on loving yahoo in tyool 2014-15? lmbo

i announce everything on my personal angelfire page myself. it's just mostly old simpsons gifs.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


lorn Wayne posted:

i announce everything on my personal angelfire page myself. it's just mostly old simpsons gifs.

Have you considered adding a midi of the Knight Rider theme?

firebeats
May 8, 2016

bonerjam posted:

Shrill, soulless, smug, condescending pantsuited woman vs noted rear end in a top hat, hmm.

She was so unredeemably bad that even with the dnc stacking the deck for her for two full years she still lost lmbo.

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot
There's a really good quote early in the book where one of her aides is talking to one of the authors and she says "Hillary has been running for president basically for 10 years and she still can't articulate why. If I couldn't justify why I was running for President, I wouldn't run."

This was in like 2015 lol

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Apr 22, 2013

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Alienwarehouse posted:

I don't know what you're political affiliation is, Yug, but even the alt-right wants single-payer and money out of politics now. Corporate greed fucks over everyone, not just one particular constituency.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/4/15164598/alt-right-single-payer-health-care-trump

Hah! They're basically the Swedish Nazi-lite party, SD.

'We love social services and big government, just stop giving out benefits to filthy immigrants. And economic immigrants masquerading as refugees.'

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
I think the best part was when someone suggested she not do paid speeches during the campaign that she said "look, we're always going to have a few bumps along the way"

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Panzeh posted:

I think the best part was when someone suggested she not do paid speeches during the campaign that she said "look, we're always going to have a few bumps along the way"

Oh lord.

lorn Wayne
Jan 7, 2006

:staredog::meowth::pipe:

Panzeh posted:

I think the best part was when someone suggested she not do paid speeches during the campaign that she said "look, we're always going to have a few bumps along the way"

i mean that fat orange getting elected is making more and more sense, not fully, but it's getting there.

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.
my favorite part in these threads is when a bunch of people start making fun of Hillary and then a handful of burned out Hillbots make the logical leap that they are all Trump supporters

it's because they can't effectively defend her policies and instead fall back on "not Trump", like her campaign did

it's really funny

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

VikingSkull posted:

my favorite part in these threads is when a bunch of people start making fun of Hillary and then a handful of burned out Hillbots make the logical leap that they are all Trump supporters

it's because they can't effectively defend her policies and instead fall back on "not Trump", like her campaign did

it's really funny

Quit being so racist, you nazi. :smuggo:

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Accretionist posted:

I looked up some articles and I think I want ot read this book:

quote:

In the aftermath of her Democratic primary defeat in 2008, Clinton had an aide download the emails of all her staffers, according to the book. A staffer told the authors that Clinton wanted to know “who was talking to who, who was leaking to who.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/4-excerpts-from-shattered-and-what-they-tell-us-about-clintons-loss/

:eyepop:
i am so glad this person is not president

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Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

VikingSkull posted:

my favorite part in these threads is when a bunch of people start making fun of Hillary and then a handful of burned out Hillbots make the logical leap that they are all Trump supporters

it's because they can't effectively defend her policies and instead fall back on "not Trump", like her campaign did

it's really funny

Whenever someone makes fun of trump in gbs theres a brigade of people who come out to say 'but hillary'

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