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Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Augus posted:

You know how feminists sometimes say that women's rights is better for everyone?
This is why.
Men being treated better is bad for men. Because it raises their expectations while lowering their ability to reach that bar without help. That's why you get sociopaths on Reddit obsessed with being cuckolded, because they were raised with the expectation that men are in charge and women aren't, so when they can't take charge and women can, their egos can't handle it, they see it as being denied what is theirs. This isn't to reduced the problems women have, it's just that we've created a large group of men who can't emotionally cope with the idea of an egalitarian society.

That's well said. People don't understand that you can want equality for entirely selfish and non-altruistic reasons.

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Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

Nichael posted:

I get embarrassed when I browse this forum in public and scroll by anime icons. You're very brave Argronox!!!

i used to have avs off for this reason. it also made people less memorable which can be good sometimes because you forget that somebody was a butt the day before and that's called forgiveness, a v christian trait

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Fidel Castronaut posted:

i used to have avs off for this reason. it also made people less memorable which can be good sometimes because you forget that somebody was a butt the day before and that's called forgiveness, a v christian trait

Now Tayne I can forgive into!

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Nichael posted:

I get embarrassed when I browse this forum in public and scroll by anime icons. You're very brave Argronox!!!

I am starting to embrace not giving a poo poo at all about how I am perceived. I still have work to do though

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.
but like even with avatars off you sometimes scroll right past a giuliani "big wet rear end" and there's no explaining that.

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

Nichael posted:

Now Tayne I can forgive into!

Parity warning
Nov 1, 2009



3rd Place, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Fidel Castronaut posted:

trump is old and fat. he won't have much time after his presidency if any at all.

this got me thinking because hw and carter are not long for the world. bill clinton is 70 himself and has had heart problems. in eight years, we might only have two living presidents, including the sitting one.

this would get screwed up if trump gets impeached though, then we'd have pence standing awkwardly in all group photos of former presidents for a few decades.

even if those former prezs are shitbags they are at least human beings who bear the weight of a conscience, trump is a sociopathic slug that has gone out of his way to not stress himself physically or emotionally

somehow he will live 30 more years

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe

Agronox posted:

I am starting to embrace not giving a poo poo at all about how I am perceived. I still have work to do though

lol

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Fidel Castronaut posted:

but like even with avatars off you sometimes scroll right past a giuliani "big wet rear end" and there's no explaining that.
there's no need to explain that when you live in the universe where acclaimed rapist and fresh prince of bel-air one time guest star, donald jay trump, is president

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBNml_sSVo&t=232s

lol

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe
all hail the nuclear winter

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I got caught reading this thread at work right when somebody posted a giant Photoshop of Trump buttfucking Chris Christie

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Fidel Castronaut posted:

i think the color purple can actually teach men a lot about toxic masculinity and the pressure to perform as a man because mister's whole thing is that he's a big failure and it is the source of his abuse of celie.

it's like, if there's some issue wrt gender that you're feeling, chuck, maybe women know something about gender roles and how bad they can be too and maybe we read their books and it helps.

Yeah I think one of the big things that actually pushed me through that adolescent weirdness was, well, first that I was too old for that "urrghhj friendzoned" *mass shooting* mentality when it picked up on Reddit so culturally there wasn't really a pejorative attached to a non-romantic friend of another gender and second that a lot of that body image dialogue got brought into the mainstream when I was growing up since anorexia and bulimia were rapidly becoming "concerned parent" news items and the negative implications of Barbie were being talked about as well.

It's weird seeing my younger brother be able to recognize toxic masculinity and laugh at it as a flaw/shortcoming because me and my other siblings essentially served as role models during his formative years and now he wants to be a history major specializing in early 20th C and the interwar period by taking a sort of sociological look at how WWI altered the Victorian views of masculinity and patriotism and how people carried a blend of that flawed image and war trauma into the interwar period and helped precipitate WWII.

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

Augus posted:

You know how feminists sometimes say that women's rights is better for everyone?
This is why.
Men being treated better is bad for men. Because it raises their expectations while lowering their ability to reach that bar without help. That's why you get sociopaths on Reddit obsessed with being cuckolded, because they were raised with the expectation that men are in charge and women aren't, so when they can't take charge and women can, their egos can't handle it, they see it as being denied what is theirs. This isn't to reduced the problems women have, it's just that we've created a large group of men who can't emotionally cope with the idea of an egalitarian society.

this is also very much a part of it

part of the wild poo poo happening in mens' spaces on the internet is because there is a generation of men that grew up with the idea that men were inherently the default, standard class

but they came of age in a world where that concept is being challenged on a large scale

there doesn't seem to be any philosophical or intellectual tradition to help them with that because there hasn't been an academic pressure to study issues of men because well, let's be real, when men are considered the default/standard there's no reason to study it outside of pathologies

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Colbert's great and really talented but Tim Heidecker does a much better impression of Jones.

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

StashAugustine posted:

I got caught reading this thread at work right when somebody posted a giant Photoshop of Trump buttfucking Chris Christie

"got caught"

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


StashAugustine posted:

I got caught reading this thread at work right when somebody posted a giant Photoshop of Trump buttfucking Chris Christie

so...you got a promotion

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

SpaceGoku posted:

ruby rod and dr. frankenfurter are queer identities, cut them out because who gives a poo poo about them if you're a straight kid who feels like a failure

doug is a child, again who gives a poo poo if you're struggling to find your identity as a man (not a boy)

the other characters you listed are all basically the same guy just different races and tones: impossible standards to achieve that in a previous generation were identities that could be used as a form of fantasy but now for many men are starting to feel like a grand societal mockery

I mean I get that maybe this isn't being explained very well but that could be because there hasn't been much of an academic tradition of investigating the legitimate issues that exist for men so a lot of jargon that exists in feminist thought to quickly explain complicated concepts simply doesn't exist to do the same thing for specific male-oriented issues

I also get you wanna dismiss this out of hand but uh, maybe you shouldn't

ok we can play this game!!!!! lets talk sitcoms. what about jerry seinfeld from seinfeld, homer simpson from the simpsons, the family guy from family guy, travis bickle, hank henry and leland stamper from sometimes a great notion, jake barnes

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

StashAugustine posted:

I got caught reading this thread at work right when somebody posted a giant Photoshop of Trump buttfucking Chris Christie

I adore people posting their laments when this happens

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riLy07NfSGw&t=1214s

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

that's pretty good

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


Fidel Castronaut posted:

that's pretty good

no goblins tho

really needed some goblins

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
also ruby rod is explicitly a heterosexual identity

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Ramadu posted:

so...you got a promotion

They had the decency to fire me on election day so i was already drunk off my rear end by the time results came in

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


I wish I had gotten fired on election day. But, like, from life.


my last words would've been "yaaas queen" right before those 8 PM poll closings

Leviathan
Oct 8, 2001

I hear the jury's
still out.. on science.
Fun Shoe

Fidel Castronaut posted:

but like even with avatars off you sometimes scroll right past a giuliani "big wet rear end" and there's no explaining that.

between AVs, anime, and all the stupid fuckin power rangers gifs, this thread is unreadable for me at work

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Al! posted:

ok we can play this game!!!!! lets talk sitcoms. what about jerry seinfeld from seinfeld, homer simpson from the simpsons, the family guy from family guy, travis bickle, hank henry and leland stamper from sometimes a great notion, jake barnes

Just checking: you're being ironic here right

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

Al! posted:

ok we can play this game!!!!! lets talk sitcoms. what about jerry seinfeld from seinfeld, homer simpson from the simpsons, the family guy from family guy, travis bickle, hank henry and leland stamper from sometimes a great notion, jake barnes

you're being weirdly hostile about this

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Leviathan posted:

between AVs, anime, and all the stupid fuckin power rangers gifs, this thread is unreadable for me at work

you gotta be like cypher from the matrix, its easy

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
cypher betrayed zion for trump steaks

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.
at my community college i got a part-time job stuffing acceptance letters and i got a cubicle and would have a stack of hundreds of them and just put some netflix on the computer and stuff envelopes and take lots of breaks to browse the internet and i clicked a hidden meatspin link on a forum once right when some full time people walked by my cubicle and there is no way they didn't see a spinning penis but i never said anything and neither did they but so much shame was felt.

that job was pretty chill though other than accidental porn

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXCyDanffrw

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

SpaceGoku posted:

you're being weirdly hostile about this

i strongly disagree with the idea that there is a lack of variety in male role models in media

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

Leviathan posted:

between AVs, anime, and all the stupid fuckin power rangers gifs, this thread is unreadable for me at work

i pray to lord jesus every night that i never have to have another job where people can see my screen.

at the same time, i live in fear that i will connect my laptop to the class projector one day and big wet rear end or something will pop up on the screen for the class to see.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Nichael posted:

Now Tayne I can forgive into!

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

One of my current coworkers started spamming porn in the work Facebook group chat. Wasnt even good porn

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Fidel Castronaut posted:

i pray to lord jesus every night that i never have to have another job where people can see my screen.

at the same time, i live in fear that i will connect my laptop to the class projector one day and big wet rear end or something will pop up on the screen for the class to see.

one day int he future, the internet-reality merge will be complete and you won't even feel weird when it happens

Leviathan
Oct 8, 2001

I hear the jury's
still out.. on science.
Fun Shoe

Fidel Castronaut posted:

at my community college i got a part-time job stuffing acceptance letters and i got a cubicle and would have a stack of hundreds of them and just put some netflix on the computer and stuff envelopes and take lots of breaks to browse the internet and i clicked a hidden meatspin link on a forum once right when some full time people walked by my cubicle and there is no way they didn't see a spinning penis but i never said anything and neither did they but so much shame was felt.

that job was pretty chill though other than accidental porn

lol

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.
professors who sign into their email on the projector and look through their history or do anything with their computer casually in front of the whole class, i just wonder if they are brave or boring. prolly boring.

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SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

Al! posted:

i strongly disagree with the idea that there is a lack of variety in male role models in media

you're deliberately ignoring the broader point in that the vast majority of these roles presented are simply a circumference around a societal role that is ceasing to exist for a huge number of men who are coming of age today

and again I've tried to articulate that maybe this is difficult to communicate because the jargon to describe it simply doesn't exist like you can say "master's tools" to a feminist scholar and they know exactly what you mean by that, discussing some of the specific issues facing men doesn't really seem to have that level of convenient short-hand

anyway maybe don't be such an rear end in a top hat dude

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