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World War Mammories posted:I got him to quote a shitpost about smashing capitalism being the one true solution You think I'm some pro-capitalist republican? Lol.. capitalism has it's flaws. The problem right now is the brand of socialism that's being pushed is just corporate fascism wrapped up in progressive ideals
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:You think I'm some pro-capitalist republican? Lol.. capitalism has it's flaws. The problem right now is the brand of socialism that's being pushed is just corporate fascism wrapped up in progressive ideals the irony of course is that capitalism allowed MILLION's to be pumped into a campaign like last night on god knows what
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new phone who dis posted:The Middle East has been a proxy war since the 1950s. GWB hosed up Iraq but on the historical presidential scale he's really not even in the top 10. Well, I disagree. The Middle East has been in bad shape for a long, long time, but Bush amped it up to a level that we hadn't seen since at least WWI. His loving up diplomacy with Russia set us inexorably down a horrible path geopolitically. And he played a pretty major role in the financial collapse. If you think Hoover was worse, I can understand that, but saying Bush isn't in the top 10 worse is pretty 
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I think the American system of having a vibrant capitalist class being structured around a steady and slow socialist core is a great system, it's just when there's bleed over (money into politics /political favors into business) it becomes crony capitalism aka corporate fascism
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World War Mammories posted:I got him to quote a shitpost about smashing capitalism being the one true solution ah playing that 1d6 chess
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:This doesn't even mean anything, all tribesmen are leftist? The colonizer is mad because the tribesmen are stabbing him so he fucks off instead of spreading his colonialism which they are not tolerant of hth.
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COMRADES posted:The colonizer is mad because the tribesmen are stabbing him so he fucks off instead of spreading his colonialism which they are not tolerant of hth. Sounds like populism! A very Trump supporter like stance.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I think the American system of having a vibrant capitalist class being structured around a steady and slow socialist core is a great system, it's just when there's bleed over (money into politics /political favors into business) it becomes crony capitalism aka corporate fascism So, your solution is to put a billionaire in whos only difference with his opponent is giving his donors direct positions rather than giving positions to go-betweens. We're both populists, but i'm not the one saying 'give the billionaire a chance'
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Panzeh posted:So, your solution is to put a billionaire in whos only difference with his opponent is giving his donors direct positions rather than giving positions to go-betweens. trump being a billionaire isn't a reason not to vote him, it's a lame cop out
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Mnoba posted:trump being a billionaire isn't a reason not to vote him, it's a lame cop out It seems like a pretty good reason if you're trying to reduce their influence in govt.
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Majorian posted:Well, I disagree. The Middle East has been in bad shape for a long, long time, but Bush amped it up to a level that we hadn't seen since at least WWI. His loving up diplomacy with Russia set us inexorably down a horrible path geopolitically. And he played a pretty major role in the financial collapse. If you think Hoover was worse, I can understand that, but saying Bush isn't in the top 10 worse is pretty the Russia thing actually started with Western support for Boris Yeltsin and the NATO intervention in the former Yugoslavia
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:
The funny thing is that this comic plays into the pro-wall side. After all, the natives were slaughtered by the invaders and their one rich and thriving cultures are now nearly completely wiped out
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:You think I'm some pro-capitalist republican? Lol.. capitalism has it's flaws. The problem right now is the brand of socialism that's being pushed is just corporate fascism wrapped up in progressive ideals You always make the same mistake. There's no socialism in the US. It's not a part of the American political landscape.
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Sentient Data posted:The funny thing is that this comic plays into the pro-wall side. After all, the natives were slaughtered by the invaders and their one rich and thriving cultures are now nearly completely wiped out Last time I checked Mexicans weren't giving us small pox blankets to intentionally wipe us out.
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Last time I checked Mexicans weren't giving us small pox blankets to intentionally wipe us out. Yah because Army captains in the early 1800's had a great understanding of illnesses and knew what germs were 
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Yah because Army captains in the early 1800's had a great understanding of illnesses and knew what germs were to be fair in the 1800's Army captains certainly were aware that smallpox could be spread that way the Pilgrims in 1620? the Spanish in the 1500's? not so much
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Yah because Army captains in the early 1800's had a great understanding of illnesses and knew what germs were Also I haven't sold my land under false pretenses to a Mexican colonist for his gun and horse yet.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Yah because Army captains in the early 1800's had a great understanding of illnesses and knew what germs were https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt
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Fighting terrorism since 1492.
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Oh no, someone with any amount of knowledge on the subject, Spunky's one weakness!
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Panzeh posted:It seems like a pretty good reason if you're trying to reduce their influence in govt. seems like no one was paying attention to the trump family finances and where they were making deals spending money until they ran for president, unless you mean something else that i'm not getting
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Who What Now posted:Oh no, someone with any amount of knowledge on the subject, Spunky's one weakness! Nah, I just wiki'ed 'smallpox blanket' and that was the first thing I got.
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If you read the quote it sounds like they were giving the blankets to emissaries as a thank you for not attacking, as legitimately a gift, it's actually pretty fuzzy if you read it
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:If you read the quote it sounds like they were giving the blankets to emissaries as a thank you for not attacking, as legitimately a gift, it's actually pretty fuzzy if you read it You don't give people gifts for not attacking. Its actually crystal clear what they were doing.
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Who What Now posted:You don't give people gifts for not attacking. Its actually crystal clear what they were doing. They were a tribe they were allied with though, who came to warn them of an attack
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:If you read the quote it sounds like they were giving the blankets to emissaries as a thank you for not attacking, as legitimately a gift, it's actually pretty fuzzy if you read it Please accept this honest and sincere gift of an Atlanta Falcons 2017 Super Bowl champs t-shirt I pulled off of a man dying of Ebola as a thank you gift for refraining from posting.
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Dizz posted:ah playing that 1d6 chess  makes me sound much smarter than i am
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Who What Now posted:You don't give people gifts for not attacking. Its actually crystal clear what they were doing. It is clear what they were doing, but surely you're familiar with the concept of tribute, or, more colorfully, the danegeld?
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:You always make the same mistake. There's no socialism in the US. It's not a part of the American political landscape. Sure it is it just needs (and already has been) repackaged for American sensibilities. An enthusiastic party backing would help too
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Toadvine posted:Sure it is it just needs (and already has been) repackaged for American sensibilities. An enthusiastic party backing would help too http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...n&ct=clnk&gl=us ya like the cuban diet, one of the benefits of food rationing and lack of petrol lmao i wonder why cosmo pulled this off the net?
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Mnoba posted:[url]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Bd_HQWuMYEAJ:https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/diet-nutrition/a19703/the-cuban-diet-4321/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us[/url] I think if there's any society on Earth that could stand to have some food rationing done, it's the U.S, hell our president needs to lose at least like 100lbs to be a real person.
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Remember when clinton deported elian gonzalez
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VikingSkull posted:the Russia thing actually started with Western support for Boris Yeltsin and the NATO intervention in the former Yugoslavia It did, and it also started with the Cold War, and it also started with centuries of Russian geopolitical interaction with Western Europe. My point is, Bush really amped up the shittiness of our relations with them.
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e: woops, beaten on the SIege of Fort Pitt response. But yeah, good ol' Lord Jeff, who was the dude to think of giving smallpox-infested blankets to Native Americans, is what Amherst is named after. GJ, Massachusetts!
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hahahahahha the campaign of murder of the native Americans was actually just a total accident guys. just coincidences. nothing more. they didn't know that smallpox blankets, forced marches, or bullets could cause harm to their good friends, The Natives.
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"Excuse me, savages, in thanks for not attacking us please take these gifts that we spent all day coughing onto."
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bag em and tag em posted:hahahahahha the campaign of murder of the native Americans was actually just a total accident guys. just coincidences. nothing more. they didn't know that smallpox blankets, forced marches, or bullets could cause harm to their good friends, The Natives. It actually seems historically debatable if it ever happened, or if it can scientifically even work (smallpox not being easily transmitted through those means). Whatever the case, it doesn't seem like it was a widespread plan, because the same 2 guys keep popping up with the same quotes. quote:We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1088/did-whites-ever-give-native-americans-blankets-infected-with-smallpox
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Who What Now posted:"Excuse me, savages, in thanks for not attacking us please take these gifts that we spent all day coughing onto." whoa ah, oopsies! look at all these dead natives. so sad. well they won't be needing this land anymore. I think they would have wanted us to have it. shame about this total accidental tragedy though.
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