NFL Draft Thread 2017 - Oil up my Head Edition

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CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Diva Cupcake posted:

I'm hoping for a draft thread of nothing but sean10mm talking about Hackenberg and Eagles fans inexplicably writing odes to how great Carson Wentz will be.

Were ever there is a slightly negative thing said about Wentz, an eagle fan will be there.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 01:07

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# ? May 9, 2024 22:30

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Facebook's "see this date's posts from years before" keep reminding me how hard I was marking for Dak before the Eagles traded up and I'm still a bit :smug:

about that.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 01:33

Abugadu: Jul 12, 2004; 1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

Just never draft anyone named Colt.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 01:54

YOLOsubmarine: Oct 19, 2004; When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

I wanted the Saints to take Dak in the second or third. He was obviously very good because he got god damned Mississippi State to a number 1 ranking.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 01:58

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/854858223119204352

# ? Apr 20, 2017 02:09

Silly Burrito: Nov 27, 2007; SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT

Ehud posted:

https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/854858223119204352

Better him than Fournette.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 02:20

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Sorry Fiz!

# ? Apr 20, 2017 02:23

TheFlyingLlama: Jan 2, 2013; You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?

I swear to gently caress if they take McCaffrey in the top 10 I'm going to be disappointed

# ? Apr 20, 2017 02:37

BlindSite: Feb 8, 2009

Fake News!

# ? Apr 20, 2017 02:38

ShakeZula: Jun 17, 2003; Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

I for one hope he goes in the top ten because that means the Colts won't take him.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 02:39

The Puppy Bowl: Jan 31, 2013; A dog, in the house.

*woof*

Now that we're a week out I need to make a database of all the mock drafts so I can look at that next year to remind me how stupid and futile mocks are. Anyone aware of something like this for previous years?

# ? Apr 20, 2017 02:45

Silly Burrito: Nov 27, 2007; SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT

The Puppy Bowl posted:

Now that we're a week out I need to make a database of all the mock drafts so I can look at that next year to remind me how stupid and futile mocks are. Anyone aware of something like this for previous years?

http://walterfootball.com/draftdata.php

http://walterfootball.com/draftdata2016.php

# ? Apr 20, 2017 03:02

Ches Neckbeard: Dec 3, 2005; You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!

Ehud posted:

https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/854858223119204352

I knew some dumb poo poo would happen top 10 and a beast would fall to 12. Can't wait for the QB panic. Please don't Browns this up Sashi

# ? Apr 20, 2017 03:21

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Funny thing about McCaffrey:

https://twitter.com/CMcCaffrey5/status/854742776273133568

Look at the TV, he sped the video up

# ? Apr 20, 2017 04:53

Bismack Billabongo: Oct 9, 2012; Wet

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Who will be the next Rusty Smith of this draft?????

Post of the year Tia.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 04:54

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

Kalli posted:

Funny thing about McCaffrey:

https://twitter.com/CMcCaffrey5/status/854742776273133568

Look at the TV, he sped the video up

McCaffrey's got a huge lower body but no upper body. Hard seeing guys like that stand out early on because they get destroyed in pass blocking. Still a top 50 talent and his run game is intriguing enough to warrant a top 25 selection.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 05:41

Iodised QQ: Jul 23, 2004

Diva Cupcake posted:

Here's Brugler on Dak and Hack last year.

He gave Hackenberg a 4th round grade; Prescott a 4-5th round grade. Prescott projects as a better version of Tebow capable of spot-starting.

The knock that I remember seeing the most on Dak pre draft (and also in that report) was his mediocre pocket presence and how he fell apart under pressure. He had a lot of other positive attributes that translated well to the NFL.

When you got plopped on to a team that has the best offensive line and run game in the NFL, those pockets that can get pretty muddy in the NFL clear up pretty quickly.

He got to play on a team that would help any rookie qb an incredible amount, but also one that masked his biggest weakness. Who knows how well Dak plays in any other situation last season.

Compare that to Hack who does nothing well though and yeah it's hard to justify giving him a higher grade than Dak.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 07:32

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

I want the Texans to draft Kizer please let this happen thanks

I saw one mock with the Texans taking Kizer in the third lol

# ? Apr 20, 2017 07:34

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

https://twitter.com/ryan_mccrystal/status/854887652738256897

good

# ? Apr 20, 2017 11:26

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

Dak had a dui too which you know leadership upstanding character composing yourself the right way etc

It's looking like at least two QBs are going to go before the panthers pick and I just can't see gettleman passing up all those other strong and fatter players for a guy who isn't a physical freak across the board.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 11:36

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

FizFashizzle posted:

Dak had a dui too which you know leadership upstanding character composing yourself the right way etc

It's looking like at least two QBs are going to go before the panthers pick and I just can't see gettleman passing up all those other strong and fatter players for a guy who isn't a physical freak across the board.

but did you see how fast his feet go!

# ? Apr 20, 2017 11:44

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

Like Chicago, New York, and Cleveland take Trubisky, Watson, and oh I don't know Mahomes in some order. There's going to be somewhere the Panthers can't pass on.

Hell, Panthers might be able to trade out of the spot entirely which would be ace.

Please don't draft McAffery

# ? Apr 20, 2017 11:52

Sad King Billy: Jan 27, 2006; Thats three of ours innit...to one of yours. You know mate I really think we ought to even up the average!

Intruder posted:

I want the Texans to draft Kizer please let this happen thanks

I saw one mock with the Texans taking Kizer in the third lol

Will he make an immediate impact though?

# ? Apr 20, 2017 13:30

Amy Pole Her: Jun 17, 2002

lol I mean we all know the owners a mega racist but come on even he can't draft McCaffrey

# ? Apr 20, 2017 13:36

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

Bob McGinn is publishing Wonderlics again.

https://twitter.com/NDTScouting/status/854912979346894851

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/draft/2017/04/19/ranking-nfl-draft-prospects-running-back/100608826/

# ? Apr 20, 2017 15:12

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Running back is probably my number one or number two position where I prefer the dumber guy

# ? Apr 20, 2017 16:23

No Butt Stuff: Jun 10, 2004

purkey posted:

The slowest of draft news days

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/854770975258312704

oh my god, I'm just sure this guys dad is the fucker that owns all the fugate car dealerships in missouri and what a piece of human garbage, i'm sure his child is a horrible person too.

e: maybe not but drat

# ? Apr 20, 2017 16:24

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

Sad King Billy posted:

Will he make an immediate impact though?

I'm sure he can clear the hurdle of being a better NFL QB than Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden

# ? Apr 20, 2017 16:53

Wiccan Wasteland: Oct 15, 2012

Iodised QQ posted:

The knock that I remember seeing the most on Dak pre draft (and also in that report) was his mediocre pocket presence and how he fell apart under pressure. He had a lot of other positive attributes that translated well to the NFL.

I think a lot of this had to do with how poor the offensive line and receivers were at Mississippi St than his own short comings. The team went from 9-4 his last season to 6-7 this past seasons, and that last win shouldn't have counted since they should not have been bowl eligible with a 5-7 record. Scouts should really start taking into account the talent around these players when watching film.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:02

Hand Row: May 28, 2001

McGinn articles are coming out. RBs rankings out today.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:03

OSheaman: May 27, 2004; Heavy Fucking Metal; Fun Shoe

Might as well C/P the drat thing

quote:

GREEN BAY - Thirty-one owners of NFL teams and Mark Murphy, president and chief executive officer of the Green Bay Packers, ultimately will decide the immediate football fate of Joe Mixon in the draft next week.

Mixon, the running back from Oklahoma, might be the draft�s most polarizing player after he brutally assaulted a woman in July 2014 with a right-handed punch that broke her jaw and caused other facial fractures leading to eight hours of surgery three days later.

The incident was caught on a surveillance camera inside a restaurant in Norman, Okla. The video was released in December, showing millions what led to Oklahoma�s one-year suspension of Mixon from all football-related activities and his subsequent plea to a misdemeanor charge of acts resulting in gross injury.

Mixon, 20, completed a one-year deferred sentence, 100 hours of community service and cognitive behavior counseling. The victim of the assault, Amelia Molitor, later filed a civil suit against Mixon that remains in litigation.

In late December, Mixon held a news conference in which he apologized to Molitor, now 23. Mixon released the video himself a week earlier when court rulings made it apparent it soon would be made public anyway.

Mixon�s status as a first-round talent is undeniable. He�s big, fast, athletic and versatile. In a draft deep with capable running backs, Mixon is one of only a handful of true three-down players.

Each year, teams spend millions investigating character and off-field concerns. In some cities, scouts are valued as much if not more for their ability to uncover and evaluate red-flag issues on players than their ability to evaluate them as players.

The league itself took a tougher stance against domestic violence after video surfaced of Ray Rice hitting his then-girlfriend in 2014. Rice�s attempts to resume his career failed when no team would sign him at the risk of public outcry and protest.

Some teams remain irked about the NFL�s decision to ban Mixon from the scouting combine. As a result, more than 10 teams, including the Packers, have had Mixon visit their facility for interviews and medical evaluation. Others have sent representatives across the country to become more familiar with him.

This month, the Journal Sentinel asked executives in personnel from 11 teams this question: What round, if any, would you feel comfortable drafting Joe Mixon?

Six personnel men said they had made the decision not to draft Mixon under any circumstances. Of the three that would select Mixon, one said first round and two said third round. Two executives declined to comment.

Here, in their words, is how 10 of the executives in personnel view Mixon entering the draft.

AFC executive: �How can you in our (large) market? How could you in any market take that guy early or in general? Off the board. Me, personally, I�d have a very hard time living with that.�

NFC executive: �I really think without the incident he�s a top-five pick. He�s probably going to go late first to mid-second. This guy�s just too talented. What he did was terrible. It was three years ago. He got suspended for a year. It�s not like he hasn�t paid a price. Since he did, he�s been fine. It will come down to the owner. I think a lot of owners will be very skeptical doing it. If I was in the 20s I�d take him.�

AFC executive: �He will not be on my board. Impulsive violence against a defenseless woman. I believe in forgiveness, but this is not a matter of forgiveness. It�s natural consequences for an action. I wish him well. ... Once you watch it you become a witness. I don�t need someone else telling me what happened. Maybe I don�t know all the circumstances before and after. A lot of times you�re not sure what really happened. This one, I saw it. He�s had some other times where he�s snapped. Not this heinous. I�ve got to look my wife in the eye. That�s not what I�m about.�

NFC executive: �I wouldn�t feel comfortable. You�re going to have to get up in front of a camera (if Mixon is drafted). If it�s on video now, you have no chance. But they swear by the kid at the school. He probably had too much to drink, but you can�t hit a girl. He won�t be on our board.�

NFC executive: �Off the board. Our guys went and talked to him. They said he was really good. Doesn�t drink, doesn�t smoke. Just made a mistake when he was 18 and is paying for it.�

AFC executive: �To be determined. I�m going to pass on that. Some opinions I get paid for.�

AFC executive: �I am grading the guy as a player. The owner is the one that has to make the decision. There�s other people (football players) out there who have done much worse things. I don�t know what will happen, but I will bet you a team will draft him and he turns out to be a star. I don�t know how you�re going to justify it but if the guy goes out and scores touchdowns people are going to forget about it real quickly.�

NFC executive: �If your owner signs off on it then you go ahead and take him. We�re definitely not going down that road. Whether you take him in the first or the seventh, either you�re making a stand or you�re not. It�s not like some other incidents where drugs or this and that (affect) the value and the round. To me, this is you�re yes or no for him.�

AFC executive: �I did a lot of (expletive) when I was 18 that I�m not proud of but I never knocked out a girl. That�s just such a hot-button issue. I�m hearing too many things. Where there�s smoke, there�s fire. I don�t have the confidence in him to draft him. We can get another back. You may turn down a special guy but the special guy�s got risks. I couldn�t do it.�

AFC executive: �He�s got talent but he�s also been caught on video. I took him off the board.�

Sooners coach Bob Stoops suspended Mixon for a Nov. 3 game against Iowa State after he tore a parking ticket in half and threw it at the attendant, hitting her in the face.

According to the police report, Mixon inched his car toward the attendant in what was described as intimidating fashion.

In December, Stoops said he would have thrown Mixon off the team if he had slugged Molitor in the current climate.

�Two-and-a-half years later, dismissal is really the only thing that is possible,� said Stoops. �A young guy having an opportunity to rehabilitate and to have some kind of discipline and come back from it is really not there anymore. Hopefully, that message goes down even to the high school level that these things are just unacceptable to any degree.�

Stoops said he was shaken by the video, describing it as �horrible.�

Sixteen personnel people agreed to rank the running backs on a 1-to-5 basis, with a first-place vote worth five points, a second worth four and so on.

Leonard Fournette led with 73 points, including 10 firsts. He was followed by Dalvin Cook, 61 (four); Christian McCaffrey, 47 (one); Joe Mixon, 34 (one); Alvin Kamara, 12; D�Onta Foreman, five; Kareem Hunt, four; Samaje Perine, three, and Curtis Samuel, one.

COMING NEXT: Offensive linemen

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:40

OSheaman: May 27, 2004; Heavy Fucking Metal; Fun Shoe

I guess that's mostly about Joe Mixon but I'm surprised at how many executives are saying he's off their board completely. I didn't think that many teams would have the stones.

EDIT: Oh duh here's the other one

quote:

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/draft/2017/04/19/ranking-nfl-draft-prospects-running-back/100608826/

1. LEONARD FOURNETTE, Louisiana State (6-0 �, 232, 4.52, 1): Third-year junior. �He�s a freaking beast,� said one scout. �I�m not saying he�s Earl Campbell but he�s got power. I�m not saying he�s Bo (Jackson) but when you see this guy roll at his size and strength, wow. Todd Gurley could hit it and he could run but this guy is more powerful. There�s nothing wrong with him until this year when he got the early ankle injury.� Injured in summer camp and played in just seven games resulting in an 843-yard season compared to 1,953 in 2015. �He�s rare with his size and speed and ability to run over people,� said another scout. �I worry about him long-term. He�s an erect runner and he�s going to take some punishment. He�s not elusive.� Grew up in New Orleans where his life was devastated by Hurricane Katrina. Picked LSU over Alabama, which limited him to 66 yards in 36 carries (1.8) the past two seasons. �The more I watched him, he can�t create at the line of scrimmage,� said a third scout. �The last guy that had that same issue was Darren McFadden. No, he just runs over people.� Finished with 616 carries for 3,830 yards (6.2) and 40 touchdowns; caught 41 for 526. �People keep glossing over that that other kid came in and ripped up the SEC,� said one scout of Fournette's backup at LSU, Derrius Guice. �He�s got more make-you-miss (than Fournette). I don�t really know what kind of grit he has to overcome anything. He�s been a god in Louisiana since his freshman year.� Scored 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. Terrible vertical jump (28 �).

2. DALVIN COOK, Florida State (5-10 �, 210, 4.50, 1): Third-year junior who broke Warrick Dunn�s 20-year FSU career rushing record. �He�ll be in the mode of (Devonta) Freeman,� said one scout. �I absolutely love that guy. He can take over a game. What makes him special is his first 10 yards. His acceleration rate is awesome. Good enough hands. People will try to kill his character, and to a degree he may slide.� Several scouts expressed major reservations about Cook's checkered past involving arrests for various incidents dating to high school at Miami Central. Has had three shoulder operations. Wonderlic of 11. �He�s a small back,� said another scout. �Ran 4.5, 30-inch vertical. Where�s the explosive dynamic? And he has questionable makeup.� Finished with 687 carries for 4,464 (6.5) and 22 TDs along with 79 receptions for 935. �He can score from any spot on the field,� a third scout said. �Pound for pound I think he�s the best all-around back I�ve ever done.�

3. CHRISTIAN McCAFFREY, Stanford (5-11, 203, 4.49, 1): �He�s the second-best back behind Fournette, who is head and shoulders above everybody,� said one scout. �He�s subtle with how good he is. Even though he�s had all the acclaim he�s still really good.� Comes from a family of distinguished athletes in suburban Denver; father, Ed, was a 13-year NFL receiver. His interview was compared by one scout to Tim Tebow�s. Put on a memorable receiving show at the combine. �Have you ever seen a guy catch the ball that good?� said another scout. �He�s a mismatch guy, and when they get in the league they make hay. If he moves out to the edge you might have your �sam� backer on him. The other thing is, you don�t have to worry about that kid. He has been prepared for the NFL since he was born. When you get guys with dads that played in the league, they�ve been told all their lives to compete.� Third-year junior finished with 632 carries for 3,922 (6.2) and 21 TDs to go with 99 catches for 1,206. Broke Barry Sanders� single-season record for all-purpose yards. Best year was 2015, when he was Heisman runner-up. �Everyone�s anointing him as the next great white (hope),� said a third scout. �I�m a little skeptical. He didn�t dominate as much as he did sophomore year. Why is that? What�s the value of a third-down back and return specialist?� Wonderlic of 21.

4. JOE MIXON, Oklahoma (6-0 �, 228, 4.47. 1-3): Third-year sophomore was suspended all of 2014 for punching a woman in the face. �He�s my best back � by far,� said one scout. �He�s Adrian Peterson who returns kicks. Great receiver, not a good receiver. He can line up wide or as a slot. He�s a bigger, better Ezekiel Elliott. He can do more.� With classmate Samaje Perine having established himself, he and Mixon split time past two years. Finished with 300 carries for 2,027 (6.8) and 17 TDs to go with 65 catches for 894. Wonderlic of 12. �Someone who is succeeding with his style is the guy in Arizona (David Johnson),� said another scout. �This kid has power and speed, and he is really a quality receiver. He�s the type of guy you can leave on the field in pretty much any situation.� Will turn 21 on July 25, three years and a day from his life-altering night in Norman, Okla. �Pass protection is an area he will need to continue working on,� a third scout said. �It�s not from a lack of trying. Just technique. He�s a big, strong dude. He can do it.� From Oakley, Calif.

RELATED: NFL teams must weigh risk with Joe Mixon

5. ALVIN KAMARA, Tennessee (5-10, 213, 4.59, 2): Fourth-year junior. �This guy is in the Christian McCaffrey-type role,� said one scout. �McCaffrey has done it longer. Kamara has limited carries. He absolutely could be a starter in Green Bay. He�s a hell of a lot better than (Ty) Montgomery.� Redshirted at Alabama behind T.J. Yeldon and Derrick Henry in 2013, spent �14 at a junior college and then started just eight of 24 games for the Volunteers behind Jalen Hurd. �He couldn�t even start on his own team,� said another scout. �But he�s talented.� Led top RBs in the Wonderlic (24), vertical jump (39 �) and broad jump (10-11). Finished with 210 carries for 1,294 (6.2) and 16 TDs along with 74 catches for 683. �I�m not all in on Kamara,� a third scout said. �He�s a small back that ran 4.59. People keep glossing over that. He�s going to be a really good change-of-pace, third-down receiving option out of the backfield. I don�t see a guy that can carry the ball three downs.� From Norcross, Ga.

6. SAMAJE PERINE, Oklahoma (5-10 �, 232, 4.61, 2-3): Third-year junior broke Billy Sims� career rushing record. �He�s built like a brick (expletive),� said one scout. �He is an awesome kid. Awesome. Built low to the ground. He�ll be able to absorb punishment and be durable compared to some of these high-cut backs that run fast. They get a couple shots to their legs and they�re done. There�s questions about him as a third-down back, but if you want a big back he can be a workhorse for you.� Easily paced all RBs on the bench press with 30 reps. �He�s a big guy with really nice feet that has enough size to run tough inside but has enough quickness and lateral agility to bounce it outside,� another scout said. �Everybody loves this kid.� Finished with 685 carries for 4,122 (6.0) and 49 TDs to go with 40 receptions for 321. �He�s just kind of this plodder,� said a third scout. �He�s Eddie Lacy but not as explosive. He doesn�t run through you. Eddie had great feet for a big man. He doesn�t quite have that. Good in pass pro but isn�t a threat out of the backfield.� From Pflugerville, Texas.

7. D�ONTA FOREMAN, Texas (6-0, 234, 4.47, 3): Injury-ridden and without much production in first two seasons before breaking out for 2,028 yards as third-year junior in �16. �Very similar to Perine except Foreman ran fast, which was a surprise,� one scout said. �But he�s not a starter.� The Longhorns� first consensus All-American choice since RB Ricky Williams in 1998. �Plays in that (spread) offense,� said another scout. �Zone read, big holes. He�s just not an aggressive runner.� Finished with 433 carries for 2,782 (6.4) and 20 TDs with merely 13 catches for 146. �Straight-line guy,� said a third scout. �Can�t pass-block me.� From Texas City, Texas. �Don�t trust him,� a fourth scout added. �Is he David Johnson? Big guy, ran fast. He�s a big guy that thinks he�s a finesse running back. He�s got really nice feet. Poor in the passing game.�

8. KAREEM HUNT, Toledo (5-10 �, 218, 4.59, 3-4): Third-year junior. �If he was playing at one of the SEC schools the whole world would know about him,� said one scout. �I didn�t have the guts to give him higher than a third-round grade given the competition. Seldom tackled by the first man. Effective receiver out of the backfield. Excellent balance.� Weight fluctuated wildly in the last 12 months (was 237 last spring). That and off-field issues require scrutiny. �He�s grown up where I�m comfortable with the kid,� a second scout said. �But he�s not special enough to be the guy.� Carried 782 times for 4,945 (6.3) and 44 TDs with 73 receptions for 555. Three-sport athlete from Willoughby, Ohio. �He�s a banger with the ability to drop his hips and move laterally,� said a third scout. �Weight may be an issue. Still trying to work through that. Really good in blitz pickup. Really showed well at the Senior Bowl.�

9. MATT DAYES, North Carolina State (5-8 �, 205, 4.45, 3-4): Emerged as the best senior RB. �More of a specialty back,� one scout said. �He�s a one-cut speed guy. He tries to run hard but he doesn�t have any (expletive) behind him. He does have some receiving skills.� Poor vertical jump (28) and Wonderlic (12). Finished with 550 carries for 2,856 (5.2) and 34 TDs with 98 catches for 933. �He maximizes his talent but he�s not a very talented guy,� said another scout. �Small and not a lot of speed.� From Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

10. WAYNE GALLMAN, Clemson (6-0 �, 213, 4.59, 4): Called �generic, herky-jerky� by one personnel man. Started 37 of 42 games, ending his career with a national title. �Upright runner,� another scout said. �Little bit of strength. Runs hard, but limited. Caught the ball well at pro day but I don�t think he�s a third-down back.� Hurt his chances with a slow 40 and marginal workout. Finished with 676 carries for 3,429 (5.1) and 34 TDs with 65 catches for 473. �Rangy, leggy runner,� a third scout said. �Tough, good vision. Good, not special.� From Loganville, Ga.

11. MARLON MACK, South Florida (5-11 �, 212, 4.49, 4): Third-year junior. �More of a perimeter-space guy,� one scout said. �He doesn�t run real powerful inside. Kind of a third-downish kind of guy. Doesn�t play big.� Started all 36 games, carrying 586 times for 3,609 (6.2) and 32 TDs and catching 65 for 498. �Like a little jitterbug-type back,� said another scout. �It�s good he was in the spread offense. When he plays in the big-boy league and has to run between the tackles I don�t know how effective he�s going to be.� From Sarasota, Fla. �Not a fan,� said a third scout. �I think he runs out of bounds. He runs away from contact.�

12. DONNEL PUMPHREY, San Diego State (5-8, 176, 4.46, 4-5): Counting bowl games, he finished third in all-time rushing behind Ron Dayne and Tony Dorsett. �Well, everybody�s going to have doubts on his size, and I do, too,� one scout said. �I�ve never seen a 178-pound guy never get hurt. That guy is hard to tackle. Ask that big pretty guy from UConn (safety Obi Melifonwu) about the Senior Bowl when he planted his helmet right in his chest and ran over his (expletive). Might be the toughest guy in the draft. I don�t know what you do with him but I�ll be surprised if he�s there in the fifth (round).� Carried a phenomenal 1,059 times for 6,405 (6.0) and 62 TDs to go with 99 receptions for 1,039. Wonderlic of 21. Just five reps on the bench. �He�s a midget but is he exciting,� a third scout said. From Las Vegas.

13. JAMES CONNER, Pittsburgh (6-1 �, 235, 4.64, 4-5): Fourth-year junior. In 2015, he suffered a season-ending MCL injury in Game 1 and two months later was diagnosed with Hodgkin�s lymphoma. After undergoing chemotherapy, he was declared cancer-free in May. Went on to start all 13 games and pick up 1,092 yards. �You obviously know the story, of which I am incredibly sympathetic,� said one scout. �Old-school bruising back. Pretty good hands. Like to have him.� Rushed 668 times for 3,733 (5.6) and 52 TDs and caught 30 for 412. �Even though he�s got a great story I would be afraid to draft him because of that cancer,� said another scout. �Supposedly, he�s cancer-free, but he�s not a good enough player to take a shot on. He�s a big guy without speed and he�s not real quick. There�s nothing special there.� From Erie, Pa.

OTHERS: Elijah McGuire, Louisiana-Lafayette; Dare Ogunbowale, Wisconsin; Joe Williams, Utah; Jamaal Williams, Brigham Young; Corey Clement, Wisconsin; Jeremy McNichols, Boise State; Brian Hill, Wyoming; T.J. Logan, North Carolina; De�Veon Smith, Michigan; DeAngelo Henderson, Coastal Carolina; Elijah Hood, North Carolina; Tarik Cohen, North Carolina A&T.

Fullbacks

1. CONNOR HARRIS, Lindenwood (5-11, 242, 4.72, 4-5): Several teams have discussed converting him from middle linebacker, where he started all 48 games and established an NCAA all-division record of 633 tackles. �He definitely could because he also played running back in college,� said one scout. �Even though it�s a small (Division II) school he�s been productive when he�s been their starting running back. You look for guys like that that can help you depth-wise.� Rushed 50 times for 328 (6.6) and seven TDs; gained 188 and scored four TDs in one game. Wonderlic of 25 should ease the transition. From Lee�s Summit, Mo. Amazing resemblance to former LB Chris Spielman.

2. FREDDIE STEVENSON, Florida State (6-0 �, 236, 6): Former LB from Bartow, Fla. �Tough, try-hard guy,� said one scout. �Not a violent in-line blocker. He wasn�t an earth mover. I saw a 214-pound linebacker jack him a couple times. He�s one of these West Coast fullbacks that tries to be a downhill guy and iso-lead guy but it�s not really their forte. He�s not a classic fullback. He�s one of these West Coast fullbacks you try to slip out in the flats.� Carried 25 times for 132 (5.3) and five TDs to go with 19 catches for 160.

OTHERS: Marquez Williams, Miami; Sam Rogers, Virginia Tech; Algernon Brown, Brigham Young.

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Unsung Hero

Jamaal Williams, RB, Brigham Young: One of the hardest runners in the draft. Left as Cougars� all-time rusher with 3,901 yards. Progress has been marred by injury and off-field problems. In fact, he withdrew from school and sat out the entire 2015 season before returning.

Scouts' Nightmare

Joe Williams, RB, Utah: Kicked out of UConn for credit card theft. First season at Utah (2015) was marginal before he exploded for 1,407 yards in just 10 games last year. Worked out great (4.45 at 209 pounds). Said one scout: �He can run like a scalded dog � just not very dependable.�

Packers' Pick to Remember

Chris Darkins, RB, Minnesota: Fourth-round draft choice in 1996. Suffered a dislocated shoulder two weeks into his first training camp and spent Super Bowl season on injured reserve. Played special teams in �97 but never carried the ball. Converted to cornerback in �98 but suffered two torn knee ligaments that August and was waived with an injury settlement Sept. 5. It was his last NFL contract.

Quote to Note

AFC personnel man: �Everybody keeps saying what a special running back draft this is. It�s been overhyped. There�s good players but next year�s class with the kid from Penn State (Saquon Barkley) and the backup from LSU (Derrius Guice) will be better.�

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:42

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

I would bet that he's not off as many boards as people say

# ? Apr 20, 2017 17:48

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

OSheaman posted:

I guess that's mostly about Joe Mixon but I'm surprised at how many executives are saying he's off their board completely. I didn't think that many teams would have the stones.

EDIT: Oh duh here's the other one

McGinnmas is upon us!

Glad to see scouts aren't down on Cook. He's a superb one cut runner and tries real hard on every play. Will probably get blown up a lot on pass blocking and have early fumbling problems while he bulks up. Just worried about his shoulder and will probably be the RB who slides.

Those scout reviews on Mixon suck. He's not ADP and he gets blown up on pass blocking despite his size and technique. Still a hell of a threat out of the backfield though.

Alvin Kamara couldn't break ahead of Hurd or Yeldon. He's just not a very good runner.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 18:13

StupidSexyMothman: Aug 9, 2010

Mixon is going to get the Clarett treatment: drafted at the tail end of the third so the news outlets only have a few hours to talk about it before there's another day of drafting to report on.

The more negativity that trickles out re: Fournette, the more confident I am that he's the guy Carolina wants.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 18:25

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Doltos, who do you see as the most obvious examples of highly rated guys going into this draft who are doomed to failure?

# ? Apr 20, 2017 18:26

Impossibly Perfect Sphere: Nov 6, 2002; They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

quote:

He can run like a scalded dog

wtf

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:18

Diqnol: May 10, 2010

Kalli posted:

Funny thing about McCaffrey:

https://twitter.com/CMcCaffrey5/status/854742776273133568

Look at the TV, he sped the video up

LOL god I hope he doesn't become an Eagle

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:33

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

sean10mm posted:

Doltos, who do you see as the most obvious examples of highly rated guys going into this draft who are doomed to failure?

Like Hackenberg levels? I think Peppers got the most irrational hype this year in college football but he's also a very good player. Any of the QBs can probably fall under the umbrella since they're all getting a lot of post-season process hype. Worst of the bunch is probably Deshaun Watson who I think is just Geno Smith. Same happy feet problems under pressure, same benefiting from talented WRs who spread the field, same accuracy issues because he can't mimic his good throwing motion throughout the game. Reuben Foster might be JAG and could also have injury issues. I don't like Malik Hooker. I think he's a great ball hawk but doesn't like contact. Also Ohio State's defense was consistently giving Conley, Lattimore, and Hooker easy tip up interceptions this year. Not necessarily a knock but they weren't exactly tested that hard this year against NFL talent. Locked down Godwin and Gesicki but then got beat up by Darboh and Butt. Then the bowl game happened.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 19:49

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# ? May 9, 2024 22:30

Harlock: Jan 15, 2006; Tap "A" to drink!!!

"There are no first round talent QBs," he said casting the Browns draft pick into the void.

# ? Apr 20, 2017 20:07

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