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Intruder posted:For example, Harden took 17 shots in the game 18 players in the regular season took 18 or more shots per game. The highest was Westbrook at 24.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Westbrook is in fact carrying Kobe's legacy in that he will never be the best player on a championship team. YUP YUP YUP!!!!! If anyone actually watched the playoffs those last 3 Lakers finals, it was the frontcourt mismatches that actually won it for the Lakers. Nobody could contain Gasol, Bynum and Odom those years. They were monsters.
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Intruder posted:For example, Harden took 17 shots in the game And 10 of those were actually unsuccessful attempts to draw a foul
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Are we all forgetting that Andre Roberson is open by design? Like every defense knowingly and willingly leaves him wide open?
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:And 10 of those were actually unsuccessful attempts to draw a foul Harden owns 
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Intruder posted:Harden owns I dislike Harden marginally less than I dislike Westbrook.
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Kibner posted:I dislike Harden marginally less than I dislike Westbrook. This may be our first disagreement, Kibner. 
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Was/is Taj injured? He did not come back in the game after playing 20 minutes. Adams had 5 fouls and didn't play a bunch in the 4th, and without him and Taj their defense and rebounding were much worse. OKC were dominating on offensive rebounds early in the game and that helps Russ a lot. The game really doesn't get out of hand until about under 3 minutes. Beverly is left wide open and hits a 3 to make it 109-104. Russ misses a 3 pointer with Nene on him at the 3pt line. Grant is wide open in the corner on this one but the passing lane between Russ and him is pretty well clogged. Eric Gordon hits a long three with Roberson in his face. Westbrook passes it to an open Oladipo at 1:30 for a 3, but he misses, Grant gets the rebound and passes it off to Russ. This is probably Russ' first really painfully bad shot IMO, he "takes" an awful 3 hoping to get the foul call from Eric Gordon, but then Gordon streaks down the court and Bev makes a good outlet pass for 2 on Grant's goaltending. Refs miss the backcourt violation after the timeout here and the announcers whine about it the entire rest of the game. Oh at about 1:00 Harden makes the most hilarious mini-flop forward at half court with Roberson's hand on his back. Russ takes an early long 2 at about :50, but it's pretty good because he's got Eric Gordon right on his back. Russ makes 1/2 and it's a 6 point game. Russ misses back to back 3s at :33 and :23, neither is a particularly bad shot though. The second one he's 100% open on after Grant's steal. Also the big thing to note here is that OKC has no timeouts left since like, 1:22. Not sure what Billy D did with all his timeouts. Rockets probably play stupider in the crunch than Russ, IMO. Harden makes a bad pass, Ariza stupidly fouls Russ with like, 18 seconds left and no OKC timeouts left. Honestly all the flak at Russ is way, way overblown. Just watch the 4th quarter again, it's really not that bad.
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Worth mentioning: Beverley was so wide open when he hit that three because Russ made zero attempt to guard him or close out once he got the ball
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Yeah the Beverly 3 was probably the turning point on a rewatch.
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Is this one of those tests for the colorblind?
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rockets.gif Basically why Russ should be MVP right here. I just want to see a repeat of this except Russ shooting the dagger 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mejFtEY5faU
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I think my favorite part of that gif is both Harden and Roberson looking towards the ref to see if he's going to call it.
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Just to pile on because it makes me laugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7VuJ6dX5Tw
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dokmo posted:Just to pile on because it makes me laugh. You've outdone yourself
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dokmo posted:Just to pile on because it makes me laugh. Aww, you edited out the hilariously egregious over-and-back.
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I know Russ gets all the heat because he's the only decent player on the roster but few are talking about how much of an absolute loving trashfire Oladipo has been in this series, when his one advantage is having a poo poo ton of space while Russ is commanding attention. Roberson is basically DeAndre Jordan in accuracy compared to Oladipo.
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I love the poo poo out of Gordon twisting his body so he doesn't run into Russ while the half assed heave goes up
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Yeah Oladipo has just sorta been... there. Billy D needs to free McBuckets
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Tae posted:I know Russ gets all the heat because he's the only decent player on the roster but few are talking about how much of an absolute loving trashfire Oladipo has been in this series, when his one advantage is having a poo poo ton of space while Russ is commanding attention. 2.5 PER so far these playoffs and Domatas has played 6 minutes Maybe OKC should still to drafting talent
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Everyone ripping on Westbrook is hilarious because if you switched what teams Westbrook and Harden were on, the Rockets would still be in the lead.
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Well yeah but people treat the Rockets like trash and Harden which is really loving weird.
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Houston with Westbrook would be like the worst Defensive team in the history of the league and would almost certainly not be leading any series. Westbrook makes their offense way, way, way worse and their defense would be argauably worse as well.
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chilihead posted:YUP YUP YUP!!!!! If anyone actually watched the playoffs those last 3 Lakers finals, it was the frontcourt mismatches that actually won it for the Lakers. Geeze I wonder why no one thought to pack the paint or build their defenses around stopping these guys. It's almost like . . . there was something else happening in these games that caused teams to think single coverage on these guys was a good idea.
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Spacebump posted:Everyone ripping on Westbrook is hilarious because if you switched what teams Westbrook and Harden were on, the Rockets would still be in the lead. I do not agree with this statement
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What about a team where all the players are Russell Westbrook? 12 Russell Westbrooks versus the NBA.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Houston with Westbrook would be like the worst Defensive team in the history of the league and would almost certainly not be leading any series. Nah
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Rick posted:Geeze I wonder why no one thought to pack the paint or build their defenses around stopping these guys. It's almost like . . . there was something else happening in these games that caused teams to think single coverage on these guys was a good idea. Yeah that's a bit of an extreme statement but I am firmly in the "Pau was the best player on those Lakers team" camp
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Rick posted:Geeze I wonder why no one thought to pack the paint or build their defenses around stopping these guys. It's almost like . . . there was something else happening in these games that caused teams to think single coverage on these guys was a good idea. Or possibly it's because literally no team in the league had the personnel to defend 3 players 6'10" and up who could all play at the same time and only one of whom had to be on the block to be a threat, and also they were all good to great defenders. I don't think anyone is gonna claim 08-10 Kobe was bad, but especially on the 9-10 team the gap between Kobe and Pau was huge. The sole argument for Kobe would be that he was still using a huge block of possessions. It's all hypothetical and kind of apples to oranges, but I'd rather have Pau than Kobe at that point in their careers.
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Rick posted:Geeze I wonder why no one thought to pack the paint or build their defenses around stopping these guys. It's almost like . . . there was something else happening in these games that caused teams to think single coverage on these guys was a good idea. Rick I was too young to care about it at the time but were people as retarded about prime kobe as they are about Russ
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Metapod posted:Rick I was too young to care about it at the time but were people as retarded about prime kobe as they are about Russ Oh baby. Speaking of Kobe, he started his own youth league called The Mamba League.
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Metapod posted:Rick I was too young to care about it at the time but were people as retarded about prime kobe as they are about Russ Whoa whoa whoa, Kobe was never the THIRD best player on his team...
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DeimosRising posted:Whoa whoa whoa, Kobe was never the THIRD best player on his team... 97-98
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