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OSI bean dip posted:brace yourselves lol
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Apr 20, 2017 19:08
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you know i always wondered if audiophile bullshit would still work if it weren't some physical thing that the person can hold in their hands and have an emotional $6000 attachment to and i guess i have my answer now
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Apr 20, 2017 19:17
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ate all the Oreos posted:you know i always wondered if audiophile bullshit would still work if it weren't some physical thing that the person can hold in their hands and have an emotional $6000 attachment to and i guess i have my answer now audiophile bullshit already works on digital signaling, of course it works on software
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Apr 20, 2017 19:30
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haveblue posted:audiophile bullshit already works on digital signaling, of course it works on software well yeah but i thought there might have been some component of "look at my beautiful $6k Monster cable it must be making stuff sound better it's so expensive and heavy!" but i guess placebo and self-deception will work regardless of the delivery mechanism
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Apr 20, 2017 19:34
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brb, repacking "utorrent audio edition"
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Apr 20, 2017 19:35
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OSI bean dip posted:brace yourselves ayy Rex-Goliath posted:so I noticed a weird icon in sleep cycle when going to bed last night and after a quick google search: lmao
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Apr 20, 2017 19:42
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ate all the Oreos posted:well yeah but i thought there might have been some component of "look at my beautiful $6k Monster cable it must be making stuff sound better it's so expensive and heavy!" but i guess placebo and self-deception will work regardless of the delivery mechanism yeah, but having it look expensive and exclusive is definitely a big part of it. imagine the rich warm sound of a gold plated oxygen free DRM dongle.
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Apr 20, 2017 19:41
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I've been to a few audiophile trade shows in the past and those people are ridiculous Can't blame snake oilers for snake oiling tho, these people are gullible, impressionable and have deep pockets
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Apr 20, 2017 19:47
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spankmeister posted:I've been to a few audiophile trade shows in the past and those people are ridiculous
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Apr 20, 2017 20:11
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:how many times has someone made an audiophile parody, gotten serious requests and just made the product by now? RIP coconut audio, the best of the best
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schranz kafka posted:RIP coconut audio, the best of the best http://audiophile.rocks/best.html
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Apr 20, 2017 20:54
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:how many times has someone made an audiophile parody, gotten serious requests and just made the product by now? Man that's hard to tell. Poe's law is strong in this one. If I had to guess this is one: http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina17.htm
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Apr 20, 2017 20:57
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ohgodwhat posted:And I don't believe they need that information anyway. They have what they need, the audio signal, from the device plugged into the headphones. having that audio signal sent to the cell phone and back would destroy the noise canceling function of the headphones because of the latency
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Apr 20, 2017 21:27
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:lastpass is at it again http://www.martinvigo.com/design-flaws-lastpass-2fa-implementation/ 
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Apr 20, 2017 21:52
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atomicthumbs posted:having that audio signal sent to the cell phone and back would destroy the noise canceling function of the headphones because of the latency they don't have to send it back, just send a copy to the device for processing. song recognition is a solved problem, especially if you have a high-quality stream
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Apr 20, 2017 21:55
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I assume targeted ad companies like the shorter handles so they can add more content to their DMs or something? Or is it all just vanity.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:02
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DMs don't have size limits, and mentions don't count against the 140. they want shorter names because they're cooler and easier to remember.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:05
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Subjunctive posted:DMs don't have size limits, and mentions don't count against the 140. they want shorter names because they're cooler and easier to remember. Didn't mentions count against it until fairly recently?
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ate all the Oreos posted:Didn't mentions count against it until fairly recently? yes
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Subjunctive posted:they don't have to send it back, just send a copy to the device for processing. song recognition is a solved problem, especially if you have a high-quality stream ????? ohgodwhat was talking about the external signal used as the source to invert for noise cancellation being sent to the phone and then bose
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Apr 20, 2017 22:21
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:lastpass is at it again http://www.martinvigo.com/design-flaws-lastpass-2fa-implementation/  The consolation prize is that the resolution timeline is super short yet again, but jeez really.
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Apr 20, 2017 22:32
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:lastpass is at it again http://www.martinvigo.com/design-flaws-lastpass-2fa-implementation/ quote:Timeline thats more like it!
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OSI bean dip posted:brace yourselves can i be digital sounding 
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fins posted:thats more like it! thats impressive even by mozilla's standards
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Apr 20, 2017 23:59
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Do people who find and report exploits ever just get tired of dealing with vendor bs and give up? Like they find some vuln and after all this time reporting it and getting pushback they're just like gently caress it and stop even working on it. I'd imagine companies would get back like 'wait, where are you going?' it just seems super frustrating and stupid, I would end up doing exactly this
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Broken Machine posted:Do people who find and report exploits ever just get tired of dealing with vendor bs and give up? Like they find some vuln and after all this time reporting it and getting pushback they're just like gently caress it and stop even working on it. I'd imagine companies would get back like 'wait, where are you going?' it just seems super frustrating and stupid, I would end up doing exactly this i worked once on a vulnerability that turned into another vuln and then another one after the third time i gave up trying to tell them that they were still hosed
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ate all the Oreos posted:well yeah but i thought there might have been some component of "look at my beautiful $6k Monster cable it must be making stuff sound better it's so expensive and heavy!" but i guess placebo and self-deception will work regardless of the delivery mechanism I was laughing at threads featuring audiophiles talking about how CDs sounded warmer than hard drives 12 years ago a better bigger idiot always comes along
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:lastpass is at it again http://www.martinvigo.com/design-flaws-lastpass-2fa-implementation/ wowwwwww nice fix timeline tho
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JawnV6 posted:im saying that it's written so broadly as to enable them to hoover up every sound around you, not just what's ostensibly being played This doesn't mean they're doing anything with it. It just means a lawyer wrote the EULA and, surprise surprise, they wrote it to be maximally beneficial to Bose because that's what they're paid to do. It doesn't mean anyone at Bose actually wants to do anything like that. The information Bose is collecting is most likely only through that phone app. I highly doubt they're doing anything with the external mic other than feeding it into the active canceling chip because it seems like trying to do anything cute directly on the headphones would eat battery life. Bose is selling your data, but probably in much the same way other companies sell every piece of customer data. I guess a state level actor might be able to hack them or something, but I think even that might be a stretch(the phone is a juicier target and phones often contain microphones). I doubt this is similar at all to the TV microphone stuff even if tech publications are trying to get clicks by making it seem so. ErIog fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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ErIog posted:It just means a lawyer wrote the EULA and, surprise surprise, they wrote it to be maximally beneficial to Bose because that's what they're paid to do. And that makes it not a bad thing because
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Jabor posted:And that makes it not a bad thing because Jesus, I'm not trying to loving defend Bose or corporate lawyers or the US legal system. I'm just trying to point out there's no reason to get hysterical over some poo poo a lawyer got paid too much money to put in a EULA that may not have any relationship to the actual technology inside these dumb headphones. ErIog fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Calling out overly-broad eulas and privacy policies is a good thing. It doesn't really matter if they're not doing <bad thing> right at this moment, if at any point they want in the future they could start doing it without your knowledge or consent.
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ah yes my "hysterical" reaction losing my poo poo over here
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i was imagining gunshot detection as an easy use case first, it's my first experience with noise cancelling. second, metro areas often have gunshot detectors set up. third, it'd be low power because you're only packetizing one typically-rare event and could even batch them up for when you're directly connected to the app i understand noise cancelling, i understand they're "probably" not doing it, but you're taking a long time and a lot of capital letters to call me names over something you essentially agree with
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JawnV6 posted:metro areas often have gunshot detectors set up wait seriously
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the tweet that started all this was claiming that yes they absolutely do do it
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flakeloaf posted:wait seriously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfire_locator#Public_safety
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A Pinball Wizard posted:the tweet that started all this was claiming that yes they absolutely do do it pretty sure the tweet was saying that their app that goes with the headphones (and is a music player?) was phoning home with telemetry about what they're playing, though I might be misremembering
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flakeloaf posted:wait seriously http://www2.oaklandnet.com/oakca1/groups/police/documents/webcontent/oak063118.pdf
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