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ApplesandOranges posted:Physical teams were pretty held back compared to magic since the soft cap basically prevented them from really maximizing buff use. It doesn't help that there's been a few difficult battles that actively penalized you for using physical attacks (through bullshit counters and/or ranged status). The last U++ battle I couldn't finish, the Exdeath fight back in December or so, I couldn't finished because he kept countering my physical attacks with dispel.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Power creep. This plus the weirdness of their damage equations meant Magic had a much higher soft stat-cap than Attack. Thus we have the pendulum of "attack is OP" (Shout meta, VIT0 days, anything which prioritizes #Hit over potency) swinging back and forth towards "Magic is OP" (Stacking buffs, multi-hit Black Mage spells, Raines BSB, anything that prioritizes potency over number of hits). The pendulum will swing back over to favoring Attack not with the next Atk soft cap bump, but with Cloud USB and its hideous brokenness. I figure next Magic swing will be with whatever the magical equivalent of Cloud USB will be, even if it's just theoretical right now.
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KataraniSword posted:The pendulum will swing back over to favoring Attack not with the next Atk soft cap bump, but with Cloud USB and its hideous brokenness. I figure next Magic swing will be with whatever the magical equivalent of Cloud USB will be, even if it's just theoretical right now. This makes me feel better about all of the Attack stuff I got during the festival and don't need due to already having a great Magic team.
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Apr 20, 2017 19:26
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KPC_Mammon posted:This makes me feel better about all of the Attack stuff I got during the festival and don't need due to already having a great Magic team. I'm the opposite. Before the anniversary I had very few good mage/summoner relics and now I have amazing poo poo like Shantotto's BSB, Sheepsong to stack with my OK BSB, Golbez's BSB, and a couple others. It's really nice for me to not have to rely on physical teams for everything.
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Apr 20, 2017 19:59
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Luckily, unlike the days when physical attacks had a soft cap around 350, or the days when the only magic attacks with not capped at 9999 damage were Soul Breaks, both physical and magic are 100% viable with the right team loadout nowdays, even if one is more efficient in making GBS threads out absurd damage at any given time.
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Apr 20, 2017 20:10
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And the existence of mixed boosts like OKs means you can run mixed teams that are capable of doing basically any content in the game, too, especially if that's the only way you can stack a lot of same-element imperils, enhances, and damage
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This Garuda fight made me realize I have no wind elemental SBs or any wind element abilities that are 4* or higher. Fly away bird, you win for now. Interesting that wind is a no show for both 4* black magic and 4* spellblades.
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Neutral Zone Trap posted:Interesting that wind is a no show for both 4* black magic and 4* spellblades. There are only four magical sources of wind elemental damage outside of SBs: the Ninja spells Gust (4*) and Raging Storm (5*), the summon Tiamat (5*) and the Black Magic Meltdown (6*, tri-element Fire/Earth/Wind). This is because Aero showed up in FF5 and FF6 as blue magic, which was apparently enough for DeNA to shut it into the bottomless pit of Blue Magic When, despite it also showing up elsewhere as White Magic (FF3) and Black Magic (FF11, FF12, FF14, arguments could be made for FF8 and FF13 despite using untyped magic). But since Aero exists, it shows up just fine as a spellblade skill.  Though that leads me to wonder why Saint Cross was a Knight skill instead of a Holy Blade spellblade skill, since DeNA loves aping FF5 so much.(That said, don't ask me why they skipped over Aeroga Blade and went straight into Tornado Blade, or why there's no BLK Tornado spell. Neither of these are questions I have any insight into.)
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KataraniSword posted:There are only four magical sources of wind elemental damage outside of SBs: the Ninja spells Gust (4*) and Raging Storm (5*), the summon Tiamat (5*) and the Black Magic Meltdown (6*, tri-element Fire/Earth/Wind). Aero was White Magic in XIV as well. But yeah, it's odd that they won't just add it already.
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I think I'm going to pull tonight. No dupes, and any of the BSBs would be pretty cool.
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Combo posted:I think I'm going to pull tonight. No dupes, and any of the BSBs would be pretty cool. That's my feeling. I really just wanna have a feel good, no fear of dupes banner pull.
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That said I'll go 1/11 with the worst item on the banner but whatever.
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^  On one hand I want to save 100 gem pulls for fest banners. On the other hand I don't have a FFXI relic so I did it anyway. Got Curilla's Iron Musketeer's Cuirass, sweet! Armitage fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Got Lion's burst and Prishe's SSB, seems like a pretty solid draw. A burst and a medica for the realm.
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3/11 Prishe burst, Shantotto SSB, Curilla SSB, just fine with that
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  A BSB for my Lightning team, a Medica and Esuna for my Holy team, and a Hastega for my Wind team. Also, every required item to make XI CMs more tolerable.Only one dupe on the Lion/Ayame/Prishe banner in the next event too if I still want Ice SBs. All armor, but with an 11/14% chance that's to be expected. Edit: Also, I have an Esuna for the upcoming Mandragoras...
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Yknow I realized, between having Master Monk and Refia, and now Prish's BSB I could probably do a punchmans team.
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 I pulled her Vidofnir when she was added to the game, I pulled her BSB during the Anniversary, and I just pulled her Chain and her new Super. I think the game wants me to use Shantotto, guys.  (Also, Prishe Burst! )
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 I'm a little sad to miss Shantotto's Burst. But complaining would just make me the worst. Perhaps three pulls was not wise. But my fanboyism I cannot disguise.
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Apr 21, 2017 02:39
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This banner seems generous, I even got a relic from a single pull. I got myself Curilla's SSB which is pretty drat rad. Nihilarian posted:
This is the best part of the entire event.
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3/11 I pulled three tactical magician coats. Clearly I have insulted the RNG in some way. I will sacrifice a d20 in atonement tonight.
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Yesss more stamps Ugh really tempted to pull but I'm only at 53 mythril and I know I should be saving for Extreme Fest instead. Having any XI synergy at all would be nice, but the events are so rare that it probably doesn't matter. Then again there's basically always some big new fest around the corner.
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It's very tempting to pull for synergy, but I already have a few other banners earmarked (XII, X, VIII, IX) and none of the actual SBs jump out at me other than maybe Shantotto/Lion BSBs. I also want to pull on the next XI event for Zeid, so...
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gently caress, I knew I shouldn't have made a pull. I got 2 of prishe's ssb heals. Could have neen worse, I could have gotten 2 of ayame's shiyty hastega sb's. Well at least I have armor and a medica, but no offense means no using that realm. Time to save up for ayame bsb and zeid poo poo. And now I have 0 non-elemental orbs and power orbs, but an r3 hailstorm! Really glad they finally added this to global.
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Ok, now that I have Lion with her SSB and BSB, I think I'll use her in my Physical team. Can someone give me a rundown on Thief and Ninja abilities? I've never even really looked at them so far (Ramza was the only person with ninja I had, and he is usually busy shouting and carrying support stuff).
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5/11, Shantotto CSB, along with SSBs and BSBs for Lion and Prishe. I did not expect to have a draw this good.
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So how good is Hailstorm? Seems like a great pick for hybrid teams, but I honestly don't think I've ever run a samurai in a hybrid team before since usually I want someone that can either support, hit weaknesses, or just pump out lots of damage in the physical slots. I mean obviously it's really good against an ice-weak boss, but does it have a high potency or something aside from that? Granted the only samurais I have with any relics are Gilgamesh with his BSB and Seph with his en-dark SSB, so I'm probably not in the best position to use it to begin with.
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Hailstorm's potency ties with Gaia Cross and the 5* spellblades. It's high, but it's not exceedingly so.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Ok, now that I have Lion with her SSB and BSB, I think I'll use her in my Physical team. Thief: Thief's Revenge: Most consistent damage (after 170 SPD), no capping issues, self-heals, but lowest max multipliers Dash and Slash/Poison Leaf: Better multipliers (3.7x with a dagger equipped), can have damage affected by elemental affinities and effects. Might run into capping issues. Ninja abilities (with the exception of Flurry of Petals and Doppelblade) are essentially RES-ignoring MAG attacks that also bypass most traditional counters and immunities. However, their scaling takes a large hit after about 370 MAG, which means to squeeze out damage after that you're looking at Enelements or +ninja/element damage RMs and Record Spheres.
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Thief 4* Steal Power and Defense are same break potency as Power and Armor Breakdown, they just trade dealing damage for buffing the user instead (it's +50% so while it won't stack with Shout, it won't weaken it, either). 5* Thief's Revenge does 0.7x per hit for up to 5 hits based on SPD and then self-heals 30% of damage dealt; max hits requires 170 SPD, which all characters capable of using the skill can reach with the exceptions of Noel and Tyro, IIRC. For comparison, at max hits TR does 3.5x compared to Saint Cross's 3.4x. Poison Leaves and Dash and Slash are the same 2-hit ability with different elemental flavors (Poison and Wind, respectively). Unboosted, their potency is 3.3x (slightly weaker than SC); boosted by having a Dagger equipped, their potency is 3.7x. Thief's Revenge should take priority, and Daggers are generally weaker weapons, but these are some solid abilities. 6* Mug Bloodlust is a 3.2x hit with a -20% ATK/DEF break on the target and +20% ATK/DEF buff on the user. It's a pretty strong mote ability, though -ATK/DEF isn't super uncommon in SBs (such as Lion's BSB entry). Ninja 4* Phantasm has a 50% chance to cause Sleep and is a magical attack so it won't wake them up; it's mostly notable for those rare occasions you need a Sleep ability. Gust deals AOE Wind magical damage. 5* Smoldering Fire and Raging Storm are the same 2-hit ability with different elemental flavors (Fire and Wind, respectively). 6* Stitch in Time is an instant 2-hit physical for 3.0x potency, but it's more notable for having a +30% MAG/-30% DEF buff attached. Now, here's the thing about Ninja- it's a kind of weird split set with Magical/Physical abilities. All the magic is quick-cast (half standard casting time) and ignores RES outright, but is also under a much shorter ceiling to soft-capping damage from MAG. In practice, it's generally weaker per cast than a Black Magic spell would be, but the casting time means that you can squeeze more in, which helps narrow the damage gap and also generates more SB meter through quantity alone (also means they might want higher hones than normal to capitalize on them). Not every Ninja is built well to support the Magic side, though, even if they need a lower MAG stat to hit their softcap. And right now... physical Ninja skills aren't that hot. Once we reach the Rubicante event, though, Ninja gets some very strong physical abilities that work with Physical Blink, either granting it or getting more hits with it. They'll come in Water and later Dark flavors.
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I don't give a crispy poo poo about FF XI and I'm still bitter about the time I got de-leveled by a loving mountain goat but whatever, I'm bored of this game, gimme something delicious relic machine! ... 3/11, Shantotto's BSB and two of Ayame's SSB. Neat.
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Decided to pull twice in a moment of boredom at work. 2/11: Curilla SSB, Lion BSB. Quite acceptable, that BSB looks delightful for breaking. 4/11: Shantotto CSB, Prishe BSB, Prishe SSB, Ayame SSB. Got the one item I wanted, as well as a complete Prishe. Worth burning my FFT Mythril.
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Thanks for the Thief and Ninja info guys.Hogama posted:Steal Power and Defense are same break potency as Power and Armor Breakdown, they just trade dealing damage for buffing the user instead (it's +50% so while it won't stack with Shout, it won't weaken it, either). Which breaks do these (not) stack with? Given Lion's BSB entry emulates Mug Bloodlust's debuff to some degree (and the fact its a 6* mote thing) I doubt I'll be using that any time soon. Thief's revenge looks like it'd be pretty good, especially since a self-heal is always handy in nasty dungeons. I noticed Lion's Lust Dagger boosts MAG a decent amount, is she a good candidate for ninja magic then?
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Which breaks do these (not) stack with? The ones that affect the same stat, so power and armor breakdown. Fullbreak is fine.
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I pulled and got three copies of Lion's Super (and also Curilla's, but only one of those). I kind of wish I could trade one in for Lust Dagger but it's not too bad.
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So who else that got Shantotto's CSB is musing on a Thunder Team? (obviously some of the abilities need to be changed) Need to RW buffs and kinda hurting for proshellga unless I Aetherial pulse, but hey, its got a stock of shock!  If only I had Fran's Imperial Lightning SSB.
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Pulled on this banner hoping for the lightning chain, got Prishe's BSB and two copies of Shantotto's SSB. I am told that Prishe's BSB is amazing. Is there a "right" way to use it, or is it just use it, buff with it, and unload on the enemy? I know basically nothing about Prishe.
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