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Pirate Radar posted:It's kind of Atlantocentric in a way to think that China's progress in the 21st century will be patterned after Western countries. The entire notion of a linear path of development that ultimately ends in what we call "modernity" and different countries are just at different stages of said linear scale is inherently eurocentric
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Pirate Radar posted:It's kind of Atlantocentric in a way to think that China's progress in the 21st century will be patterned after Western countries. i guess Africa is China's Americas? I dont think the rest of the world will turn a blind eye to killing the natives this time
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Apr 21, 2017 02:48
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also i just encountered him again and want to remind everyone that this man and this website exist
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Apr 21, 2017 02:49
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https://twitter.com/pdchina/status/855236598463475712
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Apr 21, 2017 02:57
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I would like to look at the research but I'm not clicking a People's Daily link
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Apr 21, 2017 02:57
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quote:The author appears to know nothing about China, Chinese politics or Xi Jinping–none of which are mysterious. public accomplishments? trusted by most of his government? 
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Apr 21, 2017 02:58
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Has he not heard of the loving hukou system? And police sometimes raid and crack down on migrants living in Beijing? Or Lee loving Bo? What the loving gently caress? Man Fojar, I was mean to you but when you read this poo poo all the time, it just consumes you. These guys are as bad as Think tank people protecting the Venezuelan regime
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Apr 21, 2017 03:02
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Is it just this thread, or are there a lot more PRC and DPRK apologists around lately?
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Apr 21, 2017 03:03
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caberham posted:public accomplishments? trusted by most of his government? godfree is loving fantastic quote:Discussions like this should be prefaced by the following reminder: 'China has 200% more manufacturing capacity that the US, its economy is 30% bigger and is growing 300% faster. It is to be expected that its regional military power will eventually surpass ours and may have done so already". quote:Meanwhile, China is ahead of the USA in all fields of Civil Engineering, Supercomputing, Speech Recognition, Graphenics, Thorium power, Pebble Bed Reactors, Genomics, Thermal Power generation, Quantum Communication Networks, ASW Missiles, In-Flight Satellite Refueling, Passive Array Radar, Metamaterials, Hyperspectral Imaging, Nanotechnology, UHV Electricity transmission, Electric Vehicles, High Speed Rail, Sustainable Energy, Radiotelescopy, All fields of Sustainable Energy Research and Manufacturing, Hypersonic Space Weapons and Satellite Quantum Communications. like most psychotic people wrt chinese power will at least say "they're gaining on the usa and will soon surpass it!" whereas to this guy china is already a globetrotting hegemonic superpower that rules the globe under the benevolent countenance of emperor xi of glorious zhongguo and everyone else is blind because they cant see it read down his comments and look at how triggered he gets at the fact that nominal gdp exists
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Let us English posted:Is it just this thread, or are there a lot more PRC and DPRK apologists around lately? if you are thinking of d&d its because r guyovich was made a mod and chain probates anyone who criticizes North Korea, let alone China
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Chomp8645 posted:lol I like how it goes in to Britain, but only halfway up. Fojar38 posted:I would love to hear someone's sincere explanation of how the Roman Empire was fundamentally Korean I'm a huge fan of the fantasy Korean empire so let me give a breakdown as I understand it. First let me make it abundantly clear that even in Korea this is considered nonsense by the majority of people. This is a crazy nationalist fringe thing. However little bits and pieces of it sometimes surface in normal people's beliefs because things get mixed in odd ways in the world. There are two big traditional, surviving works on Korean history, called the Samguk Sagi and the Samguk Yusa. The Samguk Sagi is a history book from a thousand or so years ago that does its best to give an accurate historical account of Korea. There are plenty of issues with it, but no more so than like Herodotus or any other traditional history book. It's inspired by Sima Qian's works and is a thing worth studying if you are interested in ancient Korea. The other one, the Samguk Yusa, is a "historical" work that is full of legends and fairy tales. It is interesting as an artifact to study Korean culture, but this is where you get poo poo like the first Korean was Dangun, who was a boy born to a virgin bear on Baekdusan and founded the first Korean kingdom in 2333 BC. Crazy people have decided the Samguk Yusa is actually an accurate historical document and pick it apart, making enormous stretches to match things up to reality. I am not actually sure where the dating of the ancient Korean empire comes from and why it's like 10,000 years old, though the fact that it's usually said to end just before writing is invented is hilarious. Koreans controlled most of the world in these ancient times, and all the earliest civilizations were actually Koreans. Some examples of nations mentioned in the Samguk Yusa (and probably other sources): Sumiliguk = Sumeria. Koreans invented writing here. Usanguk = Wessex. Ingaguk = Inca Empire. Wait you say, that's like thousands of years after Sumeria. Shut up. The area of the Eastern Roman Empire is somehow Western Goguryeo, I am not sure where that comes from. Egypt is Korea, ancient India is Korea, China is Korea, etc. So since Koreans invented all of civilization, the Romans must be Korean right? There is literally no evidence or any attempt at evidence beyond finding words in the Samguk Yusa that sound vaguely like other, documented historical places and therefore they must have been Korean kingdoms. As for how this filters to non crazy people, I have specifically heard Sumeria being Korean and Native Americans being Koreans mentioned far more often than just the nutjobs.
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Fojar38 posted:godfree is loving fantastic wait wait wait wait wait... *rubs bridge of nose* *runs hand over eyes, clearing them off* wait. what
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The Great Autismo! posted:wait wait wait wait wait... JUST STOP READING THIS poo poo
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Apr 21, 2017 03:23
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I'm the 65-degree off to the side screen
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Apr 21, 2017 03:24
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I'm the CGI that already would've looked like poo poo 15 years ago.
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Apr 21, 2017 03:29
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hhehehehehehehehehehe
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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2012/apr/13/china-censor-kate-winslet-titanic quote:An official at the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television said it had removed sections of the scene in which Leonardo DiCaprio's Jack paints Winslet's Rose in the nude "to avoid potential conflicts between viewers and out of consideration of building a harmonious ethical social environment". The official added: "Considering the vivid 3D effects, we fear that viewers may reach out their hands for a touch and thus interrupt other people's viewing." quote:One commenter wrote on the internet: "I waited 15 years to see 3D boobs, not a 3D iceberg."
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Apr 21, 2017 03:37
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I went to the korea war memorial museum and there was an awesome 77in sword on display. Clearly that means ancient koreans were superhuman giants and probably did conquer the known world. Also the turtle boat was really cool and probably really effective
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Apr 21, 2017 03:51
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Turtle ships are cool but they were not ironclads, they were effective largely because Yi Sunsin was one of if not the greatest admiral of all time, and the Japanese of the time built stupendously awful ships. The other good feature they had is they could turn super fast to keep the cannon on target.
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Apr 21, 2017 04:01
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I just like the metal spiked roof. The sides were known to be ironclad as in literally clad in iron but not to the same degree as a western "ironclad"
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The spikes have evidence to back them up. They had to have something to keep the wet straw in place on the roof. The ironclad thing was a mistranslation by an American that the Koreans then adopted because now Korea can claim it invented ironclads.  Fauxtool posted:The sides were known to be ironclad as in literally clad in iron but not to the same degree as a western "ironclad" There's no evidence at all for it and it doesn't make sense. Yi didn't have access to the resources needed to armor his ships with iron. The fleet was this patched together ocean Mad Max thing of anything he could find that could float and carry a cannon. I don't understand why Korean history denies this because it's way cooler and more impressive that he was able to completely clown on and obliterate the massive Japanese war fleet multiple times with a dozen fishing boats with guns on them. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Apr 21, 2017 04:08
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Grand Fromage posted:The spikes have evidence to back them up. They had to have something to keep the wet straw in place on the roof. The ironclad thing was a mistranslation by an American that the Koreans then adopted because now Korea can claim it invented ironclads. Not like korea has a long history of that sort of thing. Did you know Koreans invented refrigeration? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_inventions_and_discoveries I cant believe this page is allowed to exist The spikes to hold wet straw makes no sense, metal is already fireproof. Isnt it actually documented to be for anti boarding as makes sense?
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Fauxtool posted:Not like korea has a long history of that sort of thing. Did you know Koreans invented refrigeration? Korea invented everything. It makes sense for both uses. Metal is fireproof, but the turtle ships were made of wood. The metal roof is the bullshit. It had a wood covering, which would then be covered with wet straw to douse fire arrows. The metal spikes were under that both to deter boarders and to hold the straw in place. Remember that the time we're talking about, Korea has been completely conquered by Japan and the Koreans are all fighting as guerrilla resistance groups, without any sort of central government support or organization. Yi's fleet is no different, it's this rag-tag group hiding among the thousands of little islands in southwestern Korea with whatever ships, guns, and sailors Yi can get his hands on. The Japanese and the Ming are fielding proper armies, the Koreans are covering themselves in magic virgin's blood to deflect bullets and raiding Japanese supply lines with fighting monks and poo poo. Which is all awesome but it's not the kind of situation where you're going to be churning out ironclad ships from a shipyard within Japanese-controlled territory.
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you guys remember that quora is good right because quora is extremely goodWumao hiding out in Argentina posted:In my youth, About 20 years ago, Westerners said Mao killed 3 million people.
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Se-Jong king left achievement among most important accomplishment hunminjongum is. until then korea in korean language separately had but writing system not because long time chinese character borrowed used.
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my favorite thing about quora is that people can claim to be an expert about loving anything and then throw word salads at laymen to make themselves sound knowledgable im fojar38, internet communications expert and geopolitical theorist, i have an MA in global studies from the ponzi institute of kentucky
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Apr 21, 2017 04:29
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Why is everything about Corea (Korea) and Koreans just utter nonsense?
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Fauxtool posted:Not like korea has a long history of that sort of thing. Did you know Koreans invented refrigeration? I got some chuckles out of that list but I also learned something new. Koreans like to sleep on heated slabs of stone?  Literal lizard people?
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hakimashou posted:I got some chuckles out of that list but I also learned something new. stone beds make sense because every loving bed i slept on was rock rear end hard yes nothing says luxury like a slab of wood 
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The first mattress I had in China was somehow even harder than Korean ones. Fortunately Chengdu has an IKEA. After four years of Asian beds I got a mattress from there and it was like being inside a marshmallow, it was amazing. I've never heard of just having a heated slab of stone as a bed. Korean heating is done with an ondol, which is an underfloor heating system. The traditional ones are like a Roman hypocaust, the modern ones use circulating water. The floor gets warm but since there's no insulation or anything the heat largely dissipates if you get more than a couple feet above it (at least it did in all my apartments), but Koreans slept on the floor like the Japanese so it would keep you warm that way.
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Kharnifex posted:Why is everything about Corea (Korea) and Koreans just utter nonsense? Based on what Koreans friends and coworkers have told me (and my own, biased observations), Koreans have a bit of an inferiority complex, and it's actually well-deserved in a lot of cases. because of their history of colonization, a lot of native Korean inventions and developments, especially when it comes to technology, are either co-opted by the reigning culture or have simply been forgotten by most of the world. Moveable type, for example, was actually invented by Koreans. However, this feeling of inferiority/having been kicked around naturally elicits a nationalistic response, leading to people finding all sorts of loopholes to claim that Koreans invented everything. The same kind of people who genuinely believed the stuff in GF's post. Definitely #NotAllKoreans, and not a uniquely Korean mental state, but it is sort of funny when they tell you something you know isn't true. For example, my coworker once bragged to me that Koreans invented chili peppers, when even the Kimchi Museum in Seoul doesn't make this claim.
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Wait, how do you invent Chili Peppers? Were they arguing Koreans invented them, shipped them to the Americas, and then only started eating them again when they were re-imported?
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David Choe described the Korean rage/resent/angst as the Han. Don't know if that's a common term for it or it's some bullshit he made up for his podcast. Besides it being a river of course.
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Why mention Americas? Chilis and garlic are from Korea, duh. Han is the term, yes. It's one of the emotions Koreans claim are unique to them, and his translation of it as "being super butthurt about anything bad that ever happened to a Korean" is pretty solid. Being sandwiched between China and Japan and being treated as one or the other's bitch at different times for the past couple thousand years is a good way to develop a massive national inferiority complex I suppose.
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Snowy posted:David Choe described the Korean rage/resent/angst as the Han. Don't know if that's a common term for it or it's some bullshit he made up for his podcast. Besides it being a river of course. Nope, that's a real belief. I once had a coteacher defend a child who kicked me HARD for taking away his toy (almost everyone does taekwondo, remember, so he kicked me pretty drat hard) by saying "You have offended his Han. Foreigners always try to control Korean people. He is a good Korean, so he fought you to protect his property." I wanted to say that I'm Greek-Egyptian so if we're kicking everyone else based on level of oppression I should drat well get a shot in, too, but I just said, "kicking is against the rules" and she hosed off to take a nap. Barudak posted:Wait, how do you invent Chili Peppers? Were they arguing Koreans invented them, shipped them to the Americas, and then only started eating them again when they were re-imported? I guess they got them from the Inca-gookin. Really, I have no idea. This was the guy who used to berate me every day for being in my late twenties and not having kids.
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Grand Fromage posted:Why mention Americas? Chilis and garlic are from Korea, duh. As a Canadian I accepted that I live in a small country that is a minor player both historically and on the world stage today a long time ago and I find it really weird that residents of other countries seem to have trouble accepting the same thing.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:For example, my coworker once bragged to me that Koreans invented chili peppers, when even the Kimchi Museum in Seoul doesn't make this claim. Apparently a korea goon got kicked out of the kimchi museum for questioning the provenance of chili peppers. I need to dig through some of the past China threads to find that post again...
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Fojar38 posted:As a Canadian I accepted that I live in a small country that is a minor player both historically and on the world stage today a long time ago and I find it really weird that residents of other countries seem to have trouble accepting the same thing. Yeah but you know there's a shitton of Canadians with a huge inferiority complex about the US, too. Other Canadians have told me a ton of the education is us vs the dumb 'mericans sort of stuff, which is very much like Korean schools.
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drat it feels good to be American #wethebest
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