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caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Glenn Quebec posted:

Oh god. I'm Hong Kong guy now. First thing before I even get my work morning coffee, my boss is like, "Glenn​, I know it was an awkward position to be in but you really handled the problem before it became one .... We have a 9:30am call with HK. We will be doing this every Wednesday."

Oh hey, at least it's 9:30am your local time. I'm freaking Indiana guy or Italy/Germany guy!

But I'm a bit late to the thread, can someone please give me a recap

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caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Ceciltron posted:

ginger cola owns, drink it always

Boiled.

Dissapointed Owl
Jan 30, 2008

You wrote me a letter,
and this is how it went:

Tupperwarez posted:

Dietary? Not so much. All the bran in the world wont save you from oil shits.

Don't forget the number one TCM cure for constipation: shove a live eel up your rear end

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

caberham posted:

Oh hey, at least it's 9:30am your local time. I'm freaking Indiana guy or Italy/Germany guy!

But I'm a bit late to the thread, can someone please give me a recap

Glenn caught the HK office using us data from last year and trying to pass it off as their data from this year, then called them out on it, so now someone needs to be looking over their shoulder all the time and guess who it is?

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
\
:backtowork:
I went walking in Kowloon today to try and find some shorts ( it is already high twenties in Hong Kong now) and as usual I kept an eye out for interesting things.



How the DAB, Hong Kong's main "we suck Beijing's dick" party, gets their votes: the elderly. Here elderly residents of a poorer district get free blood pressure checks courtesy of the establishment political party.



An old factory building. This street used to be near the Cosmopolitan Dockyards in West Kowloon so lots of industry and metal shops etc.



Mong Kok Fire Station, which is more in Sham Shui Po district



Some graffiti on the side of a power substation. Sham Shui Po is a pretty poor, old, urban district so lots of South Asian labourers locked in poverty (language barrier is the main factor impeding advancement).



This is Boundary Street. Until 1898, this was the border between British territory and Qing China. The side I'm taking the picture on from was part of the land that was ceded to the UK in perpetuity. The other side is technically New Territories but it's not really considered as such; in some older texts it's called "New Kowloon" all the way to the mountains.



A former Chinese medicine shop/house for a rich family, now a museum/clinic. Like many historical buildings in Hong Kong it was a dilapidated wreck until Baptist University entered into an agreement with the family and the government for an Adaptive Re-Use scheme. So I went in and looked at the ground floor, which is open to the public. They had one case of things they found in the house during cleanup, like stone medicine mixing bowls, a stone knife (not lucky at all) and a mirror from the reign of the Guangwu Emperor. Oh and the building was in that Dr. Strange movie or something.



A copy of the land lease between the building's original owner and the Governor of Hong Kong, Sir Cecil Clementi. All land in Hong Kong is technically owned by the government (and the Lands Department is also hilariously corrupt) and is its chief moneymaker.



Commemorative plaques on the ceiling. The one on the left is the name of the building, Lui Seng Chun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lui_Seng_Chun There's also a video at the bottom of this page in English if you want to see more: http://scm.hkbu.edu.hk/lsc/en/



One part of the exhibit was the main product that the founder used to make his fortune. It's called "Bone-Setting Essence". According to the instructions, if you have broken bones just put this stuff on the affected part and you'll be fine! Hell, check out this bullshit from actual universities in Hong Kong:

"Chinese University of Hong Kong posted:

http://www.com.cuhk.edu.hk/varsity/0011/pf_tida/tida.htm

Bone-setting is almost unheard in Western countries, despite its long and ancient history in China.
It is a way to alleviate pain and knit together fractured bones using Chinese medicines and physical therapy.

Contrary to Western medicine, Chinese medicine prescribes that no surgery be used to treat bone fractures, sprains or contusions. The objective is to maintain the wholeness of the body.

The bone-setter rubs the affected area of the patient with a healing oil, rubs and holds the injury for 15 to 30 minutes and applies ointment externally.

Bone-setting clinics are mostly found in old districts such as Western District and Kowloon City.

Such clinics traditionally are decorated with tiger and dog models and models of human skeletons.

Healing oil and pills, made of Chinese herbal drugs decades ago, are to be found anywhere in a typical clinic.

People from all walks of life in Hong Kong prefer to visit a bone-setter when they have skeletal problems.

Old people, construction workers, housewives, office workers and children sometimes have to queue for treatment in such clinics. All they spend is about $150 per visit

The guy made a ton of money and then created a bus company, Kowloon Motor Bus, which still operates today.



Continuing my walk, I saw a chair on the first floor of this building. I wonder if someone just sits there and stares out at the street.



In Flower Market Street, a street filled with tents selling mostly clothes, I came upon Gregory Rivers. Also known as Ho Kwok Wing, he's an Australian who learned Cantonese, and as is usual in Asian countries, was then able to become a TV regular.



I found where all Chinese grannies shop! They love to wear what looks like old faded pyjamas when walking around in the street.



Someone wrote "gently caress Out" on this street stall which pissed off a grammar nazi



Obligatory funny English sign I guess. Now we know where The Dude shops.



You also get funny Japanese sometimes from the good old bubble days. This reads as Nuno Sen Ji Dazu. Except for the last one these are all readings of the Chinese shop name. Before the days of Google Translate when people just pulled stuff out of the dictionary I guess ..."



Prostitutes advertise their services by putting a pink fluorescent light outside the windows of their flats.



Some prostitutes advertise with hand-written signs in the window, while the more enterprising use LED signs.



Last stop before I went home. The building on the left is old, because of the pillars going down to the sidewalk. The dark rectangles are barred windows, but the bars are shaped into flower vases and the symbol of whatever company first set up here. It was too dark so couldn't get a good shot of that. On the right is Prince Edward metro station.

plumpy hole lever
Aug 8, 2003

♥ Anime is real ♥
that was a great post thanks

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

hakimashou posted:

I figure a number of chinese greens are high in fiber.
Greens are also the often the highest absorbers of pesticides, pollutants, and whatever other crap is in the soil, air, and water. Eating leafy greens in China is like eating a soup of sweepings from the local electronics factory floor (so, not that different than drinking Chinese tea).

Magna Kaser posted:

chinese internet is weird cuz it's stupidly fast if you're connecting to something domestic but anything outside is a total tossup. Like I can stream shows/movies from domestic sites and get perfect HD steaming, and download games for tens of megabytes per second, but amazon.com might take 5 minutes to fully load.
Torrents where I am are divided into two:
1: Will connect. Immediately gets full allotted speed, entire movie/show downloaded in minutes.
2: Will not connect no matter what. It will work with the VPN on, but very slowly. This kind of torrent would be able to work just fine outside of China. Miss out on whatever it was because of being in China.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

dananana na na na na naaaaa *bwooonngggg*

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

Imperialist Dog posted:

I went walking in Kowloon today
Even though it is cool that you took photos and described the place out... LOL, what a dump.

quote:

Fracture of bones pour the mixture on the injured place and rub swiftly with the hand.
"No, very good for qi if you repeatedly smoosh a broken bone and massage it. Makes everything A-OK-la. Why not you go try now? Heh, no worry the shape later. Deformity is natural sign of healing, la."

Is it me, or is anyone else weirded out by no-name white guys that get famous in Asia? Like, if I was sitting on an airplane next to someone on garbage like CSI: Miami, or Gregory Rivers, I would probably rather talk to CSI person and treat the Asia-Famous person as just another expat with a lovely job.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Imperialist Dog posted:

On the right is Prince Edward metro station.

I stayed in a Very Authentic airbnb apartment on Yu Chau street 汝州街. The park across the road was full of Indian families. Huge families with grandmas. I liked looking at the button and zipper shops. There was a dodgy "massage" place around the corner that I sent my husband to when he twisted his back. He escaped the extra services by not speaking Chinese and only having :20bux: in his wallet. I should have known better because it didn't have any windows.

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe
I don't know if this is true anywhere else but when I was in Nanjing/Shanghai the pink/purple neon places were the tug joints, the green neon meant 'government run, possibly fake blind people but they're cheap and good"

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
Someone mentioned bitcoin on the last page, and it just made me chuckle. Chinese miners have taken over the various digital coin systems through sheer numbers. One guy in particular has enough mining power that he's effectively blocking software upgrades to both bitcoin and litecoin because he can and doesn't give a gently caress. His pool routinely mines empty blocks (that is they do not confirm any transactions at all and just reap the reward for finding a new block) and he gives absolutely zero fucks what the rest of the digital currency world thinks.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Another goon in 2015 messaged me one night from the western bar "there is a professional bit coin farmer here, you have to meet him" the same guy later got banned from the bar for slapping and beating his girlfriend. All the drama is tianjin lore but I missed most of it.

That's my China bit coin story lol

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
The farmer or the goon?

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:

Haier posted:

Even though it is cool that you took photos and described the place out... LOL, what a dump.

I was going through one of the oldest and poorest parts of Kowloon dude :-p It's cage homes and cheap whores all the way down.

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

Mr. Nice! posted:

Someone mentioned bitcoin on the last page, and it just made me chuckle. Chinese miners have taken over the various digital coin systems through sheer numbers. One guy in particular has enough mining power that he's effectively blocking software upgrades to both bitcoin and litecoin because he can and doesn't give a gently caress. His pool routinely mines empty blocks (that is they do not confirm any transactions at all and just reap the reward for finding a new block) and he gives absolutely zero fucks what the rest of the digital currency world thinks.

I mean they are getting to the point where a Chinese bitcoin miner took over a remote hydroelectric plant to mine bitcoins. Some 20 year old with 20 computers hooked up to his bedroom can't compete with that poo poo.

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

Fojar38 posted:

So I just did a bunch of research and from what I understand, China's GDP is stagnating in US dollar terms because of a depreciation of the Yuan amounting to roughly 10% since the 2015 stock market crash. The depreciation pressure is because of the capital outflows from China, which are/were being driven by a lack of investment opportunity in China along with lots of firms with US Dollar denominated debts that were becoming more and more expensive as long as all their assets/profits were denominated in Yuan. Depreciation has stabilized somewhat in recent months because of these new restrictions of capital outflows, but it means that there is now a ton of money in China with nowhere to go, hence the asset bubbles and price inflation.

Am I correct or is this all wrong?

No you're pretty much correct. A lot of the problem is with the Chinese themselves (though, of course they're not going to admit it). They want foreign investment badly, but whenever someone wants to invest, they dick them around so much that it barely becomes worth it. If they do manage to get some company to invest in them, again, they dick around with regulations that make it a hassle and pain to actually conduct business in the country, such as abruptly changing standards, tightening the labor pool, making it hard as hell to expand, etc. Come for the cheap investment opportunities, stay because there's no way to ever leave!

In terms of asset bubbles, China is just absolutely ready to pop. You have 1/3rd of the country that, by Chinese standards, is obscenely wealthy and 2/3rds who will never know wealth because they're stuck in eastern China and aren't allowed to travel to the coast. So with all that money, what do they do? Just build, baby! Build as many apartment complexes as possible! Invest! Doesn't matter that you're actually never going to live in them, just buy buy buy! Wait what do you mean that there's a global economic slowdown and my investments don't mean poo poo now? Where's my money?

To their credit, China is trying to transition to a service and consumption based economy rather than an export driven one, but the lack of actual, verifiable economic data makes it really hard to figure out just what the hell's going on. I think you (or someone else) posted that lights crossposted with economic data showing that maybe the Chinese economy isn't slowing down as much as we thought? If it's the case that they're actually not slowing down their economy and transitioning, there's going to be a really hard worldwide landing one of these days and we're all going to be in misery.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
An Amazon or Google server complex couldn't compete with that since they are using ASIC which can't do anything else but hash. Digital coins can't die fast enough.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Mr. Nice! posted:

Someone mentioned bitcoin on the last page, and it just made me chuckle. Chinese miners have taken over the various digital coin systems through sheer numbers. One guy in particular has enough mining power that he's effectively blocking software upgrades to both bitcoin and litecoin because he can and doesn't give a gently caress. His pool routinely mines empty blocks (that is they do not confirm any transactions at all and just reap the reward for finding a new block) and he gives absolutely zero fucks what the rest of the digital currency world thinks.

A few months back when they pieced this fake supercomputer together, somebody posted a pic of the previous "supercomputer" that they made, which is now a giant bitcoin mining farm or something.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i know bitcoin is poo poo as a currency but okay for money laundering or moving large amounts

How would someone in china go about using bitcoin to transfer their wealth to BC? Do you find one of those big time miners and pay him in cash for a bunch of bitcoin and then find a drug dealer with too much cash in BC to trade his cash for bitcoin?

Cashing out seems like the hard part, how do you find people to buy your large amount of BTC at market value when everyone wants a discount on both ends

I have a few stupidly rich china relatives who would throw a 100k my way just to see if it worked

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

I think it would be easier to charter a jet and fly to Geneva.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
The chinese miners are converting local currency (via electricity) into bitcoin then exchanging that abroad for different monies. The chinese do not give a poo poo and let it happen. Bitcoin and its ilk are extremely bad for money laundering if you live in a jurisdiction that cares simply because by nature every transaction is recorded for all time and is 100% traceable. The big miners are probably eating a small loss but are able to get cash out of the country which is the whole point.

Ross Ulbricht thought he was smart and always tried to launder/obfuscate his coins that he used to pay his "hitmen" but the government was easily able to trace every bit thanks to the immutable nature of the blockchain.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Ron Darling posted:

To their credit, China is trying to transition to a service and consumption based economy rather than an export driven one, but the lack of actual, verifiable economic data makes it really hard to figure out just what the hell's going on. I think you (or someone else) posted that lights crossposted with economic data showing that maybe the Chinese economy isn't slowing down as much as we thought? If it's the case that they're actually not slowing down their economy and transitioning, there's going to be a really hard worldwide landing one of these days and we're all going to be in misery.

So far it looks like the "transition to a service and consumption based economy!" is a propaganda slogan and nothing more, used by the government to make it look like the slowdown was planned and intended. Not to mention that every time new economic data comes out showing an uptick it's because of expanded exports, industrial activity, and construction.

Which isn't surprising because a promise to "transition to a service and consumption based economy" is meaningless. There isn't really any such thing as a purely service and consumption based economy, not even wealthy western countries and certainly not the USA.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3GiEGPm-Ws

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

looks hygienic

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack


dont the chinese have like 200,000,000 extra dudes

it sincerely wouldn't surprise me if they're working hard in earnest at creating actual sexbots

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

If you put your dick in anything made in China you deserve whatever you get.

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
Korea belongs to China, Trump wills it!

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

probably will use the machine on white devils so they will not ruin China with many hybrids

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

Kharnifex posted:

Korea belongs to China, Trump wills it!

false, other way around

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Ron Darling posted:

false, other way around



lol I like how it goes in to Britain, but only halfway up.

It's like they took the borders of the Roman empire at its zenith and then just added "Asian Continent" to it, with a bizarre aversion to Siberia.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I would love to hear someone's sincere explanation of how the Roman Empire was fundamentally Korean

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Fojar38 posted:

I would love to hear someone's sincere explanation of how the Roman Empire was fundamentally Korean

Rome with Korean characteristics.

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?
some laughs from the bad china thread

Squalid posted:

I hear a lot of expats criticizing the shallowness of modern mainland society from sources like GBS. What I find interesting is how closely their descriptions of modern Chinese society mirror those leveled against Americans and the United States in the early 20th century by Europeans and some American writers. In particular they remind me of things written by the French authors Celine and Claude Lévi-Strauss, and the American Sinclair Lewis in his novel Babbit. I'm not sure what to take away from these parallels, whether people are just more likely to adopt such attitudes in a booming economic environment or if it reflects the tendency of outsiders to try and reclaim some sense of superiority in the context of their relative decline. Or maybe its just that like Louis-Ferdinand Céline, most China goons are loners in a foreign land pounding out reams of bitter text :shobon:

Don't you know, every country is like China at one point?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Vesi posted:

some laughs from the bad china thread


Don't you know, every country is like China at one point?

People who make the "China is like the USA in the 19th century" don't understand China now or the USA in the 19th century

Michael Pettis has a great writeup about how such comparisons are bad

http://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/68128

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
china being over 100 years behind seems about right

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Fauxtool posted:

china being over 100 years behind seems about right

Problem is that people take that notion and usually extend it to "and china is developing along the same path rapidly, therefore china will rule the world soon the way that the usa does now"

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
until they start looking whiter and speaking more english the powers that be will never allow it. Get plunging and english teaching Haier

Can I just say I really like most of you guys? no homo

Its great having people that have first hand experienced the sometimes insane asian cultures and can talk about it without looking super racist.

Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Apr 21, 2017

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.

Fojar38 posted:

I would love to hear someone's sincere explanation of how the Roman Empire was fundamentally Korean

Okay, Grand Fromage, you're up.

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Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Fojar38 posted:

Problem is that people take that notion and usually extend it to "and china is developing along the same path rapidly, therefore china will rule the world soon the way that the usa does now"

It's kind of Atlantocentric in a way to think that China's progress in the 21st century will be patterned after Western countries.

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