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I do like the story on the most recent podcast about how the editor took some liberties with Gus' reveal and Vince was initially frustrated but came around once he realized that the version he had in his head was actually worse. I feel like most of the success of Vince's shows comes from just being a showrunner who's willing to listen to their crew, it's deceptive how simple it is. Didn't he want to kill Walt Jr. in season 1 before everyone talked him down from it?
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Gorn Myson posted:I think the direction, writing and the performances of the actors do an extremely good job of setting up who these characters are to someone who has never seen Breaking Bad. The difference is that they will perceive them as more mysterious than we do because they haven't been given the context that we have, but they still do enough to establish their role within these particular stories. Gus was introduced in BCS much the same as he was in BB. The only difference is that in BB, Saul sets up Gus as a character by saying he "knows a guy who knows a guy". We're told in BB who this guy is before we meet him, but it plays out the same way: we see a friendly, helpful man who looks like somebody's dad or uncle and he works as the manager and owner of a fast food restaurant. I think newcomers to the BB universe will quickly get the message that he's a dangerous man. I mean we even get a shot of Gus in the parking lot with that thousand-yard cold stare in BCS.
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:I do like the story on the most recent podcast about how the editor took some liberties with Gus' reveal and Vince was initially frustrated but came around once he realized that the version he had in his head was actually worse. I can't even imagine how the rest of the series would have gone with out Walt Jr/Flynn.
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Apr 21, 2017 16:30
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It would have been way better for one thing
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drunken officeparty posted:It would have been way better for one thing It would have been pointless. What would be the conceit of the show if he hasn't got a family to provide for?
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Honestly I think the network's incessant desire to grow ratings may kill the quality. (With crap like the Gus cameo hulabaloo) It's too bad Netflix didn't pick it up, they seem to be happy having multiple quality (low budget) shows with smaller audiences rather than a few mega hits. (And the type of person with a Netflix account is probably a tv/cinema geek) NO LISTEN TO ME posted:I do like the story on the most recent podcast about how the editor took some liberties with Gus' reveal and Vince was initially frustrated but came around once he realized that the version he had in his head was actually worse. Would that have been bad? A Dexter style "come home to a family member murdered THAT'S A WRAP FOLKS" would have been a great twist.
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maskenfreiheit posted:Honestly I think the network's incessant desire to grow ratings may kill the quality. (With crap like the Gus cameo hulabaloo) You mean most people? Netflix is not some obscure thing.
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maskenfreiheit posted:Would that have been bad? sout posted:It would have been pointless. What would be the conceit of the show if he hasn't got a family to provide for? This. Walt Jr is basically the only character who sticks by Walt for the entire series. Walt and Skyler are already having issues by the end of the first season, Holly can't talk, and as much as Walt would like it, Jesse never really becomes a surrogate son. Not totally, anyway. So you're left with Jr, who loves and defends his dad right up until Ozymandias. Hell, Jr's screaming breakdown over the phone in Granite State is what convinces Walt to stop hiding and finish what he started. So yes, not having Jr around would be a detriment to the show. He's Walt's biggest fan and you need the emotional weight of his "betrayal". Plus, he's a funny character who lightens up a lot of otherwise heavy episodes.
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If Walt Jr. died, we would have never gotten the scene where he gets to meet Saul  And that would have been a god drat tragedy 
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Apr 21, 2017 17:54
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Who watches Better Call Saul but never watched Breaking Bad?
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clown shoes posted:Who watches Better Call Saul but never watched Breaking Bad? 1/3 of this thread apparently
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Big Mean Jerk posted:This. Walt Jr is basically the only character who sticks by Walt for the entire series. Walt and Skyler are already having issues by the end of the first season, Holly can't talk, and as much as Walt would like it, Jesse never really becomes a surrogate son. Not totally, anyway. So you're left with Jr, who loves and defends his dad right up until Ozymandias. Hell, Jr's screaming breakdown over the phone in Granite State is what convinces Walt to stop hiding and finish what he started. So yes, not having Jr around would be a detriment to the show. He's Walt's biggest fan and you need the emotional weight of his "betrayal". Plus, he's a funny character who lightens up a lot of otherwise heavy episodes. And the breakfasts! Think of the breakfasts!
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clown shoes posted:Who watches Better Call Saul but never watched Breaking Bad? My dad. He got through season 1 of BB, but realized that watching the tragically violent and bloody downfall of a family man wasn't really something he wanted to do. He's checking out BCS, though.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:My dad. He got through season 1 of BB, but realized that watching the tragically violent and bloody downfall of a family man wasn't really something he wanted to do. He's checking out BCS, though. How does he feel about Chuck?
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clown shoes posted:Who watches Better Call Saul but never watched Breaking Bad?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:1/3 of this thread apparently 1/3 of the thread watched Breaking Bad first, they're just angry about the hypothetical experiences of people who didn't.
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maskenfreiheit posted:A Dexter style "come home to a family member murdered THAT'S A WRAP FOLKS" would have been a great twist. Nothing good comes from a show taking queues from Dexter.
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They're just angry that Better Call Saul isn't the Breaking Bad All Star Fanservice and Variety Hour featuring this week's guests The Harlem Globetrotters.
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FogHelmut posted:They're just angry that Better Call Saul isn't the Breaking Bad All Star Fanservice and Variety Hour featuring this week's guests The Harlem Globetrotters. Well now I'm angry this doesn't exist 
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FogHelmut posted:They're just angry that Better Call Saul isn't the Breaking Bad All Star Fanservice and Variety Hour featuring this week's guests The Harlem Globetrotters. Without Sonny available for a Sonny and Cher reunion on the show, what's the point?
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maskenfreiheit posted:(And the type of person with a Netflix account is probably a tv/cinema geek) Ah yes Netflix, famous for being a niche arthouse distributor with little budget and low viewership.
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maskenfreiheit posted:A Dexter style "come home to a family member murdered THAT'S A WRAP FOLKS" would have been a great twist. Yeah, it would've been a great twist had Dexter actually ended on that. Unfortunately...
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maskenfreiheit posted:A Dexter style "come home to a family member murdered THAT'S A WRAP FOLKS" would have been a great twist. And here I was certain that nobody remained on this earth that would want something "Dexter style" on in their tee vee
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Solice Kirsk posted:I can't even imagine how the rest of the series would have gone with out Walt Jr/Flynn. Walter Jr needs to exist so Walt can kick the legs out from under that punk in the pilot.
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Tellah posted:And here I was certain that nobody remained on this earth that would want something "Dexter style" on in their tee vee Meanwhile, over in NMD, somebody is arguing that new bands should really try to be more like KORN.
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Tellah posted:And here I was certain that nobody remained on this earth that would want something "Dexter style" on in their tee vee I'd take a John Lithgow guest arc any time
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some guy on the bus posted:Interesting that half of the viewers went "gently caress this" at Season 1 Episode 1. People wanted more gangster stuff but instead got an amazing, slow burn story about lawyers loving each other over and Mike being Mike. This show rules and I hope they never stray from their original vision.
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Vintersorg posted:People wanted more gangster stuff but instead got an amazing, slow burn story about lawyers loving each other over and Mike being Mike. If Mike, everyone's favorite bad-rear end old guy, isn't an acceptable, and maybe even superior, substitute for "gangster stuff," well...I just don't know what to say.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:If Mike, everyone's favorite bad-rear end old guy, isn't an acceptable, and maybe even superior, substitute for "gangster stuff," well...I just don't know what to say. Modern audiences will only accept slow burn character studies if every other scene is intercut with a pointlessly gory zombie kill.
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I don't think people realized that Breaking Bad wasn't just explosions and gunfire; it was the mental and emotional buildup to those things. Anyone can ruin a car, but when Walt does it, it's something more. Remove the explosions and most of the gunplay, and you've got almost the same show in Better Call Saul, and I mean this in the best possible way; it's so much better than it has any right to be, it being a spinoff. Whatever Vince does next, I hope it's with the same technical crew and for AMC. Doesn't have to be in the BB/BCS universe, it just has to have that feel.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:If Mike, everyone's favorite bad-rear end old guy, isn't an acceptable, and maybe even superior, substitute for "gangster stuff," well...I just don't know what to say. Is Mike fiddling with a tracker and watching people walk around with binoculars gangster stuff? No one should be surprised that this last episode got the lowest ratings of the series for the way it started and how boring the 1st episode was.
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some guy on the bus posted:Is Mike fiddling with a tracker and watching people walk around with binoculars gangster stuff? This is why Mike worked better as a side character than co-lead, imo. Turns out the idea of a super methodical badass is probably more interesting than watching one do all the work.
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I'd rather watch Mike do badass grandpa poo poo than watch Jimmy and Chuck bicker or any lawyer drama stuff. But then I'd also rather watch Slippin' Jimmy doing cons than Mike doing badass grandpa poo poo. It all balances out 
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Someone was asking about ratings earlier, BCS hit a series low this past week. This doesn't include secondaries. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/monday-cable-ratings-april-17-2017/
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Secret Agent X23 posted:If Mike, everyone's favorite bad-rear end old guy, isn't an acceptable, and maybe even superior, substitute for "gangster stuff," well...I just don't know what to say. some guy on the bus posted:Is Mike fiddling with a tracker and watching people walk around with binoculars gangster stuff? sub·sti·tute ˈsəbstəˌt(y)o͞ot/ noun 1. a person or thing acting or serving in place of another. "soy milk is used as a substitute for dairy milk" synonyms: replacement, deputy, relief, proxy, reserve, surrogate, cover, stand-in, locum (tenens), understudy; More verb 1. use or add in place of. "dried rosemary can be substituted for the fresh herb" synonyms: exchange, replace, use instead of, use as an alternative to, use in place of, swap "cottage cheese can be substituted for yogurt"
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some guy on the bus posted:Is Mike fiddling with a tracker and watching people walk around with binoculars gangster stuff? Well, that comment was kinda halfway a smartass remark, but...It's certainly not gangster stuff in the sense of breaking a couple of punks' legs out in the middle of the desert or coldly cutting a guy's throat in front of horrified witnesses. But when Mike's fiddling with the tracker and watching people, we have a pretty good idea of what the stakes are, and we know what Mike's capable of. So there's tension, and just speaking for myself, I'm fine with the way they've been doing things so far. Having said that, I'm not going to argue that it's wrong if someone wants to complain that they spend too much drat time with that stuff. I'm sympathetic to the idea that maybe Vince is pushing the limits here, for whatever reason, and in doing so, he's already gone too far for a possibly significant portion of the audience. Even if he hasn't reached my threshold yet, there are limits. I surely wouldn't want to watch a whole series of nothing but Mike fiddling with tracking devices and watching people, but I"m pretty sure the pace is going to pick up pretty soon now that Mike's found that phone in the middle of the road.
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Grand Fromage posted:We need Huell. Huell is too busy in his own spinoff though I guess the timelines don't overlap so he could show up in BCS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8domW4NwpBQ
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I just wanna say Jimmy trying to drink the gross sugar coffee was the funniest thing i've seen all week
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