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fishmech posted:Uh, because the parking brake control on the cars in question will literally snap off? I doubt your VW was breaking like this. My car had an extremely rare defect where honking the horn could shut off the engine. Manufacturing defects happen, and this sounds like a few lots were affected. It's not good, especially for a luxury car, but it doesn't compromise safety.
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I'm the first one to make fun of Tesla's lovely reliability and build quality in their 6-figure ride, but they're doing better than industry average by this metric, and the specific issue isn't serious, just dumb: I just don't get why the parking brake is a foot pedal on a Tesla in the first place. Most luxobarges just have a pushbutton or even automatic brake nowadays, and it's not like it will help you drift it. Nah it's probably an alloy that they messed up in a batch vvv mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Apr 21, 2017 17:12
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RandomPauI posted:How does that even happen? It almost looks like the pedal shaft is made of cheap plastic. That couldn't possibly be the case, could it?
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Apr 21, 2017 17:15
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Wow Mercedes Benz in the early to mid 00's was pretty loving terrible.
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mobby_6kl posted:I'm the first one to make fun of Tesla's lovely reliability and build quality in their 6-figure ride, but they're doing better than industry average by this metric, and the specific issue isn't serious, just dumb: I don't see how this chart says what you say it says.
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Apr 21, 2017 17:45
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Rhesus Pieces posted:It almost looks like the pedal shaft is made of cheap plastic. That couldn't possibly be the case, could it? According to other owners commenting on that tweet, it is, in fact, made out of plastic. Yeesh.
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Dirk the Average posted:My car had an extremely rare defect where honking the horn could shut off the engine. defect? this should be a feature
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Discendo Vox posted:According to other owners commenting on that tweet, it is, in fact, made out of plastic. Yeesh. To be fair: there are some engineering plastics, especially carbon or glass finger reinforced ones, that are ridiculously strong, stronger than aluminum. They're expensive, but plastics can absolutely be used in extreme situations so long as they're carefully chosen and engineered. Which I'm sure Tesla did with their parking break pedal.
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Apr 21, 2017 17:51
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Lots of cars use plastic in parking brake systems. gently caress, BMW made the entire cooling system out of disintigrating plastic and people keep buying them. No one uses parking brakes on non-manual cars anyhow.
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fishmech posted:I don't see how this chart says what you say it says. They're recalling cars at a lower rate per 1000 cars than other car companies. If it seems odd to you that you can recall more cars than cars that have been sold, remember that cars can be recalled multiple times, and that a car recall is generally one system or part that needs to be fixed or replaced; the car itself is back on the road once maintenance is performed.
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Cicero posted:Wasn't there an actual movie about this? Also "Repo! The Genetic Opera" was based on the premise.
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Dirk the Average posted:They're recalling cars at a lower rate per 1000 cars than other car companies. If it seems odd to you that you can recall more cars than cars that have been sold, remember that cars can be recalled multiple times, and that a car recall is generally one system or part that needs to be fixed or replaced; the car itself is back on the road once maintenance is performed. With the new recall, they're now sitting at 2nd worst on that list.
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Apr 21, 2017 18:24
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Dirk the Average posted:They're recalling cars at a lower rate per 1000 cars than other car companies. That chart isn't counting the fresh new recall of 53,000 vehicles, or the recall issued earlier this year for 2012 Model S vehicles which is expected to extend eventually to all Model S vehicles from 2013-2016 as well. Just the recall of 53,000 cars for the brake issue + ~2000 cars produced in 2012 for the airbags will put their recalled car total up to ~130,000 cars recalled vs somewhere between 100,000 and 110,000 cars sold, accounting for new sales since September 2016. That would put them at worse than the industry average, significantly worse if the expected recall of 2013, 2014 and 2015 model S cars for the airbags go through.
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Apr 21, 2017 18:29
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My bad, didn't notice the date. Still, it's not hugely terrible by industry standards, though there are many factors that could worsen the situation.
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Apr 21, 2017 18:34
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nm posted:No one uses parking brakes on non-manual cars anyhow. eh it's pretty common if people live in and park their car on hilly areas. there's less need if you live in a flat-ish area
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Apr 21, 2017 18:38
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fishmech posted:Neither fructose nor lactose are harmful, barring allergies and the like. By fructose I mean added fructose like HFCS. Not fructose inherent to fruit that has its effects mediated by fiber.
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actionjackson posted:By fructose I mean added fructose like HFCS. Not fructose inherent to fruit that has its effects mediated by fiber. No. Please don't do this.
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Apr 21, 2017 18:42
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actionjackson posted:By fructose I mean added fructose like HFCS. Not fructose inherent to fruit that has its effects mediated by fiber. No you don't mean that, because that is meaningless. The "high fructose" part is not in relation to normal sugar, it's in relation to normal corn syrup which is far more heavily glucose and thus a lot less sweet. The scientific evidence shows that HFCS is indistinguishable from regular table sugar in food usage.
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boner confessor posted:eh it's pretty common if people live in and park their car on hilly areas. there's less need if you live in a flat-ish area Go look in cars parked in the bay area and prepare to be scared.
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boner confessor posted:the takata airbag recall. 40+ million vehicles across 19 different manufacturers I don't think it's useful to count supplier issues like this against the manufacturer at large, especially when it hit so many different manufacturers at the same time. That's like blaming Boeing for an engine failure when they're designed and built by Pratt & Witney, GE, Rolls Royce, etc.
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Thoughts and prayers to Subjunctive, who may well be in the SF Financial District, which is currently out of power and thus unable to produce frothy coffee things. e: map link. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Solkanar512 posted:I don't think it's useful to count supplier issues like this against the manufacturer at large, especially when it hit so many different manufacturers at the same time. That's like blaming Boeing for an engine failure when they're designed and built by Pratt & Witney, GE, Rolls Royce, etc.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Thoughts and prayers to Subjunctive, who may well be in the SF Financial District, which is currently out of power and thus unable to produce frothy coffee things. rip all the fake money valuations that couldn't get off the ground because someone couldn't charge their ipad
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fishmech posted:No you don't mean that, because that is meaningless. The "high fructose" part is not in relation to normal sugar, it's in relation to normal corn syrup which is far more heavily glucose and thus a lot less sweet. The scientific evidence shows that HFCS is indistinguishable from regular table sugar in food usage. TRAP SPRUNG
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Solkanar512 posted:I don't think it's useful to count supplier issues like this against the manufacturer at large, especially when it hit so many different manufacturers at the same time. That's like blaming Boeing for an engine failure when they're designed and built by Pratt & Witney, GE, Rolls Royce, etc. That isn't the best comparison because when airlines lease an airplane from Boeing they select a config including the manufacturer which come with its own warranties etc. So of course Boeing isn't responsible if GE borks it hard and needs to recall a bunch of turbines. But for parts that the manufacturer is sourcing themselves to assemble into a final product that they guarantee then they most certainly are on the hook for supplier issues. Part of sourcing such parts is testing them out and seeing if they'll be acceptable. Once you determine that you do ongoing QA for parts to make sure they meet the specs you know work.
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It's like the whole day later and I still can't loving handle that exploitive dog leasing thing 
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Rhesus Pieces posted:TRAP SPRUNG You realize you're saying that to fishmech?
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Wunderlich is a really on-the-nose surname for a predatory financing person.
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Avalanche posted:This oval office just went out of business and filed for bankruptcy a few days ago. There IS justice! http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2017/04/21/only-rgj-reno-financial-tech-company-files-bankruptcy-amid-trade-secret-lawsuit/305830001/ I get the feeling nobody will want to work with him going forward BUT he's not exactly wiped out, either. Agree with DV that the one sentence version of why the guy is a dick is "We like niches where we’re dealing with emotional borrowers”
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fishmech posted:Neither fructose nor lactose are harmful, barring allergies and the like. Tell it to the worldwide diabetes and obesity epidemic
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Dmitri-9 posted:Tell it to the worldwide diabetes and obesity epidemic Excess of anything is unhealthy
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Andrast posted:Excess of anything is unhealthy https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312
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no, sorry, you're just stupid
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mobby_6kl posted:I just don't get why the parking brake is a foot pedal on a Tesla in the first place. The parking brake is not on a foot pedal on mine, and it wasn't on my last one. Parking brake is engaged automatically when shifting to Park, which you do by pressing a button. AFAIK it's always been that way.
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Honestly though, aside from battery power, what feature is available in a tesla that you can't get in fossil fuel car? That you really need? Touch screen HVAC? Does it even have HUD?
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Unreal acceleration, which is surprisingly useful in real life, and AFAICT the best autopilot in the business, plus a quiet ride. Some media stuff (podcasts f.e.) that I haven't seen elsewhere, but I haven't been looking. Do other nav systems use Google map data now? I got it because I wanted an electric toy, though.
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Subjunctive posted:Unreal acceleration, which is surprisingly useful in real life, and AFAICT the best autopilot in the business, plus a quiet ride. Some media stuff (podcasts f.e.) that I haven't seen elsewhere, but I haven't been looking. Do other nav systems use Google map data now? Lol o rly https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/04/21/2187755/tesla-says-this-is-not-the-vaporware-you-are-looking-for/
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^^^ poo poo's paywalled The performance you can actually take advantage of pretty stealthily is definitely an appealing aspect. As John Carmack explained here were well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L51eoUFp_YA&t=224s tl;dr: His Testarossa was much faster overall but flooring it at every stoplight like with the Tesla would get him arrested very quickly because every cop in a 3 mile radius would hear him
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Dmitri-9 posted:Tell it to the worldwide diabetes and obesity epidemic Which isn't caused by that. Christ, tons of the world doesn't even drink milk.
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mobby_6kl posted:^^^ It's not a paywall. Just register and you can read it for free.
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