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lol if 38 studios can steal tax payer money and receive no jail time, ain't no one from star citizen going to prison it's a space game that only German auditors care about, it'll get released as a broken mess with 95% of the features missing and the internet will react accordingly
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ManofManyAliases posted:Nah. I'm on my break. Do you like the new space cat?
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TheAgent posted:lol if 38 studios can steal tax payer money and receive no jail time, ain't no one from star citizen going to prison Nah, no such thing happened. 38 Studios failed due to sheer incompetence; not fraud. But the execs still got sued; and Curt ended up in BK as a result.
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ManofManyAliases posted:Somewhere, Derek is furiously googling/consulting with dog. And you should get off your high horse about Dr. Smart. While he is excitable and prone to grand exaggerations, I don't think he is wrong about the money situation or the fact that technologically, they can't do what they have promised. This saga will likely end in tears unless Croberts is saved by a publisher.
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TheAgent posted:it's a space game that only German auditors care about God I miss Karl... 
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D_Smart posted:Nah, no such thing happened. 38 Studios failed due to sheer incompetence; not fraud. But the execs still got sued; and Curt ended up in BK as a result. c'mon Derek man http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/07/wells-fargo-charged-with-fraud-in-38-studios-case.html
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D_Smart posted:Nah, no such thing happened. 38 Studios failed due to sheer incompetence; not fraud. But the execs still got sued; and Curt ended up in BK as a result. Can I commit a crime and end up at a Wendy's? Let me know. I'm down for anything.
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TheAgent posted:wait what And that's the SEC. The '33 and '34 Acts won't apply to Croberts & Co.
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ManofManyAliases posted:I'm right here. I'm not Toast, so I have nothing to do with that. But, from what I read about the "contest," it appears to be in full compliance with federal and state laws, specifically when it comes to no purchase necessary: You are always a step ahead right so you are doing the next next TOS right toast?
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MinorInconvenience posted:And that's the SEC. The '33 and '34 Acts won't apply to Croberts & Co.
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TheAgent posted:yeah as I said before ain't no one going to jail over star citizen Agreed. And I wish folks would stop getting justice boners about Croberts & Co. going to jail. It's not going to happen and it makes more level-headed critics of Croberts look foolish.
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DapperDon posted:No, but willfully deceiving backers with fake gameplay videos and having knowledge of it is in fact a very serious crime. See: unfair and deceptive trade practices act cig has and is substantially demonstrating continual progress on the project. no lawyer let alone prosecutor in their right mind would even lift a finger to pursue a case against them. it's also very easily demonstrable the economics and logistics of similar projects - plenty of precedent. the budget and timeline are well within any regular industry tolerances i.e. nothing to see here from a legal perspective (except maybe the hello kitty thing o.o) so don't speak of things which you don't understand. i.e. the law.
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Lazrin posted:cig has and is substantially demonstrating continual progress on the project. no lawyer let alone prosecutor in their right mind would even lift a finger to pursue a case against them. lol thanks for that.
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Lazrin posted:cig has and is substantially demonstrating continual progress on the project. no lawyer let alone prosecutor in their right mind would even lift a finger to pursue a case against them. fake news
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Lazrin posted:i.e. nothing to see here from a legal perspective (except maybe the hello kitty thing o.o)
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Lazrin posted:cig has and is substantially demonstrating continual progress on the project. no lawyer let alone prosecutor in their right mind would even lift a finger to pursue a case against them. hey Lethality what's the hot new MMO on Kickstarter
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Lazrin posted:cig has and is substantially demonstrating continual progress on the project. no lawyer let alone prosecutor in their right mind would even lift a finger to pursue a case against them. Let's be clear here. No lawyer would pursue a criminal case. A civil case... well let's just let the facts unfurl first before making that call.
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Scruffpuff posted:I was wearing this while posting: Scuffpuff is Toast is MoMa  My doxing here is done, I'm off to doxxs some new born babies and teach them not to have names.
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MinorInconvenience posted:Let's be clear here. No lawyer would pursue a criminal case. A civil case... well let's just let the facts unfurl first before making that call. reasonable and intelligent discourse can go gently caress itself to overwatch porn
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I'm glad all the shills understand the legal minutiae that proves SC isn't technically a scam. This is important in game development.
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TheAgent posted:wait what Nothing to do with 38 Studios execs or the company. That was the bank. The same way that nobody is going to go arrest Croberts if some shady bank loaned them money via fraudulent means. MinorInconvenience posted:And that's the SEC. The '33 and '34 Acts won't apply to Croberts & Co. Right.
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TheAgent posted:gently caress that this is the internet But I expect better from my dead gay comedy forums. Is that so wrong?
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TheAgent posted:yeah as I said before ain't no one going to jail over star citizen Except Fuzzy Modem for IRL roleplaying the inevitable consequence of piracy.
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MinorInconvenience posted:But I expect better from my dead gay comedy forums. Is that so wrong? you can't really get any lower
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MilesK posted:I'm glad all the shills understand the legal minutiae that proves SC isn't technically a scam. This is important in game development. And you should kindly go gently caress off. What kills me is that constantly accusing them of criminal fraud is shortsighted and borders on libel per se. It gives the shitizens a reason to ignore the well-meaning pleas for them to get the gently caress off the fairy tale BDSSE train. I enjoy rubbernecking at an accident as much as the next rear end in a top hat, but come on! And I loving guarantee I know more about the law than you.
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MinorInconvenience posted:And you should kindly go gently caress off. What kills me is that constantly accusing them of criminal fraud is shortsighted and borders on libel per se. It gives the shitizens a reason to ignore the well-meaning pleas for them to get the gently caress off the fairy tale BDSSE train. I enjoy rubbernecking at an accident as much as the next rear end in a top hat, but come on! And I loving guarantee I know more about the law than you. nice meltdown
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Kosumo posted:Sandi would love jail. how would chris fare? his quick arm movement might be useful.
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Ramadu posted:nice meltdown Yeah. I hate seeing naive tards get taken for a ride. So sue me.
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My take on the whole legal/criminal outcome to this is that it all depends on how it ends. I think we're all agreed that it will definitely end with a disappointing product and a lot of angry people around but there's still a lot of scope within that outcome for variations. Say for example it comes to the end of the year and Sq42 comes out but is panned by everyone, it's just plain bad and can't be defended. By this stage 3.0 has come out but performance is still poo poo, still ~20 people per instance and although there are some planetside locations they are joined by loading screens which have been promised will be removed by some later update. Funding stalls and CIG plods on for another 6 months with a skeleton staff, releasing an update or two to the PU but nothing of substance before finally announcing an end. Under this scenario I would think all at CIG would walk away with nothing but maybe a class-action lawsuit from a handful of whales for Chris to worry about. On the other hand, imagine a scenario where CIG has a major funding drive all through this summer. Ship sales, new cash discounts, the works. 3.0 is pushed back, then back again, then CIG just shuts up shop and says the money has gone. What they have in the PU now is all there ever is and Sq42 turns out to be virtually unstarted. I'd like to think in that latter scenario some government agency takes a look into what went on. The $20k coffee machine, the $9000 desks, the limited edition Porsche, the 15 shell companies and dodgy sales tactics all become pieces in a bigger picture. Did Crobbler and co. ever think they could actually deliver all that they promised or were they selling snake oil? Does the accounting all stack up or are there questions over where some of this $150m went? How does the law in the various countries come into this? Do they end up being investigated in the UK and DE as well as the US? I think there's (obviously) nothing illegal that is currently visible which would indicate a criminal prosecution is likely, but that doesn't mean that there isn't anything CIG have done which would put them into that territory and if this was to go *pop* in a bad way rather than just fail gradually what actually happened would be under a lot of scrutiny. Wrecked Angle fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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TheAgent posted:oh jeez AI is pretty hard, thats going to be at least 20 days until its done! and another 20 on top of that for pathing. That 20 days of super easy, almost last work by programmers, too. The idea for how the AI was going to be ("I want it to be like a real human with thoughts, emotions, and uh, thoughts.") was very difficult. Overlaying the code is child's play. It's probably already done now in the secret build and they're just holding on to it until the release day.
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MinorInconvenience posted:And you should kindly go gently caress off. What kills me is that constantly accusing them of criminal fraud is shortsighted and borders on libel per se. It gives the shitizens a reason to ignore the well-meaning pleas for them to get the gently caress off the fairy tale BDSSE train. I enjoy rubbernecking at an accident as much as the next rear end in a top hat, but come on! And I loving guarantee I know more about the law than you. I wasn't talking about you. lol
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MilesK posted:I wasn't talking about you. lol Then I apologize about the meltdown to your post (although I stand by everything I said in general).  As I'm likely the only (competent) individual with an actual law degree that didn't come from a loving crackerjack box who is slumming in this thread (at least as far as I can ascertain from the dearth of legal knowledge displayed here), it hit a little close to home (and the whiskey don't help none), so to speak. No hard feelings, my fellow goon.
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MinorInconvenience posted:And you should kindly go gently caress off. What kills me is that constantly accusing them of criminal fraud is shortsighted and borders on libel per se. It gives the shitizens a reason to ignore the well-meaning pleas for them to get the gently caress off the fairy tale BDSSE train. I enjoy rubbernecking at an accident as much as the next rear end in a top hat, but come on! And I loving guarantee I know more about the law than you. 
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XK posted:They just released the 3.0 schedule, closed the classic forums, and started the referral contest. Also, somebody posted that downvotes on the reddit/starcitizen forum on any negative posts seem like a social media management company may be involved. Anecdotal observation is anecdotal, but I noticed an uptick of very pro-cig posts on reddits made by young farmed accounts that were shilling hard, coinciding with all of this which I could only interpret as you suggest. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterra..._name=frontpage User deleted the account once this really gained traction, but it was 17 days old with some pro trump/le pen/alt right bullshit that got it several thousand points before this shill piece to r/pcmasterace. The subs I usually see this particular type of fuckery are politics related and are the targets of established/known paid shill efforts and follow but follow the same routine of: new account>farm streetcred>shill hard>delete account once discussion sustains itself, no doubt propped up with massive sockpuppeting to massage the tone. Related but not specifically, a group not long ago documented exactly how easy it is for how little money to game reddit and why it matters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxNvUWN3vYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjLsFnQejP8
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