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Good soup! posted:drat, that's a tough choice to make. Should be Karlsson's. Tampa didn't make the playoffs,Burns has a better supporting cast, Karlsson is more important to his team and is measurably one of the biggest difference makers in the league
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Levitate posted:Should be Karlsson's. Tampa didn't make the playoffs,Burns has a better supporting cast, Karlsson is more important to his team and is measurably one of the biggest difference makers in the league It's not the hart. Hedman had more points and fancier of stats. But I agree that karlsson is more instrumental in his own team. Although hedman was the only good defenseman in tampa this year.
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If anyone is interested and local, I'll mention that there's another analytics conference in Ottawa on May 6. The list of presenters is pretty good, includes guys like Vollman, Schuckers, and Pronmann, among others. http://statsportsconsulting.com/otthac17/
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Levitate posted:Should be Karlsson's. Tampa didn't make the playoffs,Burns has a better supporting cast, Karlsson is more important to his team and is measurably one of the biggest difference makers in the league San Jose blew this year, Burns carried them as much as Karlsson did Ottawa. And Ottawa has a much better goalie.
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I don't buy the presumption that coaches are trying to game corsi, especially the idea that they would do so to the exclusion of trying to win games somehow. Like, what's the incentive exactly?
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Koopa Kid posted:I don't buy the presumption that coaches are trying to game corsi, especially the idea that they would do so to the exclusion of trying to win games somehow. Like, what's the incentive exactly? There are arguments to be made that you can design an offensive system that generates a high number of Corsi events but a low number of quality scoring chances. That may not exactly be "gaming Corsi" but it's very similar. LA may be the poster child for this, or it may be that they didn't have good enough offensive players to actually score even though as a team they had great possession numbers.
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Koopa Kid posted:I don't buy the presumption that coaches are trying to game corsi, especially the idea that they would do so to the exclusion of trying to win games somehow. Like, what's the incentive exactly? they see that good corsi used to be a predictor of good hockey and mistake correlation for causation.
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grack posted:There are arguments to be made that you can design an offensive system that generates a high number of Corsi events but a low number of quality scoring chances. That may not exactly be "gaming Corsi" but it's very similar. LA may be the poster child for this, or it may be that they didn't have good enough offensive players to actually score even though as a team they had great possession numbers. I don't think it's "gaming" it or anything but I think the point that some people miss about something like corsi is that by itself it's not going to mean you're going to score a lot of goals and give up few...you still have to have talent to score the goals and the talent to stop the goals against. I think most advanced stats people know that
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grack posted:There are arguments to be made that you can design an offensive system that generates a high number of Corsi events but a low number of quality scoring chances. That may not exactly be "gaming Corsi" but it's very similar. LA may be the poster child for this, or it may be that they didn't have good enough offensive players to actually score even though as a team they had great possession numbers. Is this not a chicken/egg thing though? The Kings had their first run before the stat was even widely accepted, and saying "a coach has deployed strategically flawed systems and got fired" doesn't also mean that corsi has no correlative value anymore. The Kings are also a terrible example because they did really well and then their key guys got old, oh well. violent sex idiot posted:they see that good corsi used to be a predictor of good hockey and mistake correlation for causation. I guess but this feels like another straw man argument about the fictional team that generates all shots from the outside or whatever, and I think it's a misunderstanding of how coaches operate.
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Good soup! posted:drat, that's a tough choice to make. its burns
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Koopa Kid posted:The Kings are also a terrible example because they did really well and then their key guys got old, oh well. That's why I added the "or" to that statement. The Kings' main offensive players had horrendous shooting percentages this year even though, as a team, they still generated a lot of shots.
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The Golden Man posted:Russell is fuckin bad rear end Agreed.
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Koopa Kid posted:I don't buy the presumption that coaches are trying to game corsi, especially the idea that they would do so to the exclusion of trying to win games somehow. Like, what's the incentive exactly? I enjoyed Bylsma smugly saying if he wanted a better corsi he'd have his team shoot at the net from his own end own end or whatever
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Koopa Kid posted:I don't buy the presumption that coaches are trying to game corsi, especially the idea that they would do so to the exclusion of trying to win games somehow. Like, what's the incentive exactly? See Saves in baseball. Tie game and the opponent has the bases loaded late? Definitely not the time to use your best reliever.
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Alright boys try to take fewer shots so our opponent's 5v5 corsi looks bad.
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Aphrodite posted:Alright boys try to take fewer shots so our opponent's 5v5 corsi looks bad. Crap you figured out the Devils' strategy
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My team has been eliminated so I am now free to cheer for the chaos option and root for the team that will bring the most misery to everyone else. Go Leafs.
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Furnaceface posted:My team has been eliminated so I am now free to cheer for the chaos option and root for the team that will bring the most misery to everyone else. post avatar combo right here. you are a terrible person
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gently caress Toronto.
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(This is why) https://streamable.com/cbfxp nsfw if you have knees
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Kadri is human poo poo.
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Normally I'd say Wilson should be punching him in his loving face but we need Tom out of the penalty box now more than ever.
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Furnaceface posted:My team has been eliminated so I am now free to cheer for the chaos option and root for the team that will bring the most misery to everyone else. Hmm I'm pretty sure a Bruins win is worse
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How dare he legally hip check Ovie. HOW DARE HE.
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Benson Cunningham posted:How dare he legally hip check Ovie. it was clipping
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Benson Cunningham posted:How dare he legally hip check Ovie. That was not legal.
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I'm no expert but I don't think launching your hip into the other dude's knee is what you would consider a "hip check"
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he kind of went knee on knee on #88 right before that too. what a poo poo head
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Nobody in the league anymore actually does a legal hip check. They're always too low, dangerously impacting the knee.
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Cross posting from the GDT: https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/855571644902932480 Yeah, that's no good.
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Benson Cunningham posted:How dare he legally hip check Ovie. That was 100% clipping
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Cartoon Man posted:Ovi back on ice somehow. The Caps have some of that soccer spray in the locker room
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violent sex idiot posted:he kind of went knee on knee on #88 right before that too. what a poo poo head He did. He's an rear end.
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Man, Ovie on the receiving end of a borderline play? Weird.
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Furnaceface posted:My team has been eliminated so I am now free to cheer for the chaos option and root for the team that will bring the most misery to everyone else. This didnt take long to become reality. I think I should try again. Go Ottawa.
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Furnaceface posted:This didnt take long to become reality. Wideman just took out Krejci's knee about 4 minutes ago.
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Cartoon Man posted:Ovi back on ice somehow. It's almost like his injury wasn't anywhere near as severe as his reaction to it made it out to be. Edit: As a pens fan, maybe it is just more obvious to me when someone who is paid a lot of money is hamming it up. Benson Cunningham fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Look, Im using my powers for good Im sorry you cant see it this way. Go Sens some more
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Benson Cunningham posted:It's almost like his injury wasn't anywhere near as severe as his reaction to it made it out to be.
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