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fishmech posted:Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, all brands that have similar "self-driving" capability in their similarly expensive cars, at about the same time Tesla added it. But once again it's not real self driving because if you rely on it the car will crash or crash and kill you. Wow Teslas only been trying for 14 years and they're right on par with all these people who have been trying since the 1930s pretty impressive wouldn't you say?
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Isn't autopilot as this point basically a slightly more advanced cruise control that does stuff like slow down to maintain safe following distance?
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Shugojin posted:Isn't autopilot as this point basically a slightly more advanced cruise control that does stuff like slow down to maintain safe following distance? it also lets you watch movies like Harry Potter so you keep your cool and don't let you lose your head in traffic
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I have another revolutionary disruptive tech idea it's called Obtusero and uses a worm drive generating four tons of force that squeezes the self-driving-car talk out of the thread.
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pangstrom posted:I have another revolutionary disruptive tech idea it's called Obtusero and uses a worm drive generating four tons of force that squeezes the self-driving-car talk out of the thread. 
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hey guys, i have a secret to tell basically no one 'innovates' in the car industry and everything is made by magna, zf, linamar, bosch, getrag, eaton etc etc All those cars featuring automatic self-braking systems and 360 degree view cameras and 'smart' cruise control? They're not actually made by mercedes or bmw or subaru
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Disruptive credit card gets bankruptedPlastc goes under posted:None of its 80,000 buyers will ever see their purchase.
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roymorrison posted:Wow Teslas only been trying for 14 years and they're right on par with all these people who have been trying since the 1930s pretty impressive wouldn't you say? Would be impressive if Tesla hadn't hired a bunch of engineers and such from the existing auto industry and had never seen a car, sure. But that's not what happened. Shugojin posted:Isn't autopilot as this point basically a slightly more advanced cruise control that does stuff like slow down to maintain safe following distance? Yes, pretty much. It also has lane-keeping assistance, just like the aforementioned Lexus and BMW vehicles do, and like them has a limited ability to handle taking freeway exits (but you really need to keep close watch while that's happening).
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fishmech posted:Would be impressive if Tesla hadn't hired a bunch of engineers and such from the existing auto industry and had never seen a car, sure. But that's not what happened. I think that is a ridiculously high bar to clear though. I mean, if that's your standard, you probably aren't impressed by anything ever. Tesla may have its flaws (like any company), but I'm really glad they are around to push the envelope on electric cars. No other incumbent would make a serious enough effort into that market before Tesla came along. Sure, a few have tried, but failed to make a dent in the status quo. Tesla has changed that in a major way.
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shrike82 posted:Nissan Leaf ...is good and good, but I don't think incumbents feel threatened by Leaf the way they feel threatened by Tesla.
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FilthyImp posted:Disruptive credit card gets bankrupted
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Isn't the main reason the auto industry hates Tesla is because they own all of their own dealerships? I know there were a lot of fights from the various car dealership owners in certain states trying to block them from doing that.
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enraged_camel posted:...is good and good, but I don't think incumbents feel threatened by Leaf the way they feel threatened by Tesla. i don't know what that means considering the Leaf is produced by an incumbent. look we all know that Tesla is a good stock because people are buying into it as the next Apple, and Elon Musk as Tony Stark is catnip to the techbro crowd (e.g., Subjunctive jerking off about his car). if we analogize its future growth using Apple's historical trajectory, it'll still be a minor player by market share to the auto equivalent of Windows/Android.
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enraged_camel posted:...is good and good, but I don't think incumbents feel threatened by Leaf the way they feel threatened by Tesla. I don't think incumbents have really felt threatened by expensive luxury cars, all the major companies particularly GM have had long-term projects to make practical electric vehicles. Also Nissan has apparently sold over 250,000 Leafs versus ~100,000 Teslas across all models. The reason for that is obvious though, you've been able to get a Nissan Leaf for under $40,000 since the 2011 model year and these days they start at $31,000, while the Model S still costs about $70,000 at base. enraged_camel posted:I think that is a ridiculously high bar to clear though. I mean, if that's your standard, you probably aren't impressed by anything ever. I'm certainly not going to be impressed by "car company makes a car using people with decades of experience making cars, and picks up features like driver assist from about the same vendors at about the same time". The main "different" thing they managed to do was to spend a lot of money installing chargers in places along some major highways as a marketing stunt that happens to also be useful for their customers. FlamingLiberal posted:Isn't the main reason the auto industry hates Tesla is because they own all of their own dealerships? I know there were a lot of fights from the various car dealership owners in certain states trying to block them from doing that. They don't have "dealerships", they largely just have showrooms largely lacking the services a dealership is expected to have, like provisions to repair vehicles on site and ordering beyond what you can get online or over the phone. That's why most of them are just in high end malls or something. This does piss off existing dealership owners quite a bit, because all the things Tesla "dealerships" intentionally skipped cost a lot of money to have and provide. And obviously they'd be a bit mad if someone new didn't have to do them, because they're not exactly providing repair et al out of the goodness of their hearts. 
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FlamingLiberal posted:Isn't the main reason the auto industry hates Tesla is because they own all of their own dealerships? I know there were a lot of fights from the various car dealership owners in certain states trying to block them from doing that. The dealership groups hate this, because their industry partly depends on laws that keep the car companies from selling direct to consumer or owning their own dealerships. The car companies would probably love to see Tesla get those overturned so they could extend their vertical monopoly forward.
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fishmech posted:They don't have "dealerships", they largely just have showrooms largely lacking the services a dealership is expected to have, like provisions to repair vehicles on site and ordering beyond what you can get online or over the phone. That's not why. The legal wrangling is a lot more complex than that. This is the kind of oversimplification I was talking about. I really don't lump Musk in with techbros, because he actually builds product with utility and isn't concerned with VC funding above all. I say this as someone who is not a Elon groupie or huge Tesla optimist. Also, comparing tech bros to robber barons is a little unfair to robber barons. The barons actually delivered some utility to the country as a whole, and felt some sense of obligation to give back to the world.
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i'd buy an electric car if there was the infrastructure to support them. i live in one of the most densely populated and well-off areas of the country and the only charging station for miles around is at one of the malls.
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roymorrison posted:why are you just assuming i'm worshiping competition. Tesla is the very epitome of everything that is wrong with the "tech industry". The entire company is built on the idea that the market, led by innovative thought leaders, can solve most (if not all) of society's problems, while making a shitton of money on the way. If you just support the tech industry by consuming the right innovative products, they say, we can fix climate change, we can fix health issues like obesity, we can fix all society. The problem is, it's the direct opposite of what actually needs to be done. To fight climate change you need to not only consume less, you also need very large scale changes of society, preferably starting years ago, towards boring things like more public transportation. You also need a lot of it outside the global North. Tesla targets the wrong market with the wrong solution. It's most definitely not the future; if anything it's actively fighting a better future by providing a fundamentally unsustainable vision of it and giving people the idea that we don't need to do anything about climate change or poverty right now because if we just wait and let the techbros innovate, they'll come up with technology that will just magically make all the problems go away. Musk's hyperloop thing is another example of this; it's a pointlessly high tech, complex and expensive infrastructure project that's trying to solve the wrong problem in the wrong place. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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I thought D&D was supposed to be the "smart" forum. What's with all the people drinking the Tesla marketing koolaid? Every single Tesla model is simply an inferior car compared to electric cars by other manufacturers of similar price. Not only that but if you give money to Tesla you're funding union breaking and a company purposely violating monopoly laws. In short Tesla bad.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I thought D&D was supposed to be the "smart" forum. Then what the hell are you doing here?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Isn't the main reason the auto industry hates Tesla is because they own all of their own dealerships? I know there were a lot of fights from the various car dealership owners in certain states trying to block them from doing that. Literally what they got Tucker for, because of the overlap between politicians and car-salesmen.
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enraged_camel posted:Then what the hell are you doing here? He has terrible opinions and he must share them somewhere.
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Sage Grimm posted:He has terrible opinions and he must share them somewhere. The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: 'Cause you gotta share your terrible opinions somewhere!
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Terrible Opinions posted:Every single Tesla model is simply an inferior car compared to electric cars by other manufacturers of similar price. Also an inferior car compared to luxury cars by other manufacturers of similar price. If you spend $70K to $125K on an Audi, BMW, or Mercedes, you will get a much nicer car than a Tesla Model S. Back before release, some Tesla people drove their MFR-plates Model S to a local roller derby bout and parked next to my then-new 2012 A6 Prestige. At the time they said they had specifically targeted the Audi A6 and BMW 5-Series as their competition. They were somewhat comparable, but then the Model S turned out to be priced like an A8 or 7-series instead and, well, no.
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The car industry is one of the hardest to start up in given the massive capital required and complex regulations and what Tesla has done, if only from a business standpoint is impressive. They had a goal and came up with a smart strategy and executed on it and succeeded. Each one of those things is difficult and deserves credit. For example starting with the high end roadster where performance of the electric shines and the range cons don't matter much was a smart move that served them well. They also really have consistently had the best overall electric platform and have succeeded at packaging it into appealing high end cars which successfully stole customers from Mercedes, BWM and Audi. That's really not easy in any way. Edit:responded to wrong post asdf32 fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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are you guys at least willing to admit that teslas are the only electric vehicles that dont look absolutely terrible? They seem like the least offensive tech company to me
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roymorrison posted:are you guys at least willing to admit that teslas are the only electric vehicles that dont look absolutely terrible? They seem like the least offensive tech company to me "Because I do not give a gently caress about unions or workers' rights. I mean, they have froyo, what else do they want?" Trevor Hale fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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roymorrison posted:are you guys at least willing to admit that teslas are the only electric vehicles that dont look absolutely terrible? They seem like the least offensive tech company to me It's a luxury car manufacturer with an owner who hates unions with a fervor, they're anything but in-offensive.
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Trevor Hale posted:"Because I do not give a gently caress about unions or workers' rights. I mean, they have smoothies, what else do they want?" Amazon carries smoothies? The Model S was the only electric car that could round trip me to Waterloo now, or when I was in California get me from home to Napa and back with 4 passengers and luggage (via a stop at a convenient supercharger). AFAIK that's still the case, but hopefully there will be more competition in that space. Getting a better-for-me car for less money next time would be great.
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Shut up about your bougie car already.
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Doesn't Subjunctive work for RIM (or its zombie holding company)? I think that says everything.
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roymorrison posted:are you guys at least willing to admit that teslas are the only electric vehicles that dont look absolutely terrible? They seem like the least offensive tech company to me Their old models just used the shell of existing high end sports cars for the exterior and a mid-lux interior, so nothing special. The Model X looks as dumb and terrible as every other "crossover" SUV thing. The model S is about as generic as the Roadster was. And the model 3 interior is going to be absolutely awful with a bland exterior, despite the Chevy Bolt having a normal interior at the same price point. So when things like the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, the all electric Prius models etc all look like normal cars, no I wouldn't say Teslas are the only electric cars that don't look "absolutely terrible". I don't even know what you're thinking of honestly, concept electrics from the 70s and 80s? Maybe the EV1 that hasn't been available for nearly 20 years? And if you're going to talk about least offensive tech company there's no way Tesla ranks there lol.
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NYT profile of Travis Kalanickquote:SAN FRANCISCO — Travis Kalanick, the chief executive of Uber, visited Apple’s headquarters in early 2015 to meet with Timothy D. Cook, who runs the iPhone maker. It was a session that Mr. Kalanick was dreading.
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I was just going to post that, if only to say that apparently Travis lives in an A-ha music video
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shrike82 posted:Doesn't Subjunctive work for RIM (or its zombie holding company)? I think that says everything. Uh, never.
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I've been working on this project for almost a year now. It started out as an animal adoption website. Nearly all animal adoption sites are still built for desktop, and the photo galleries have each photo taking up 10% of the screen with a lot of space wasted by the frame of the thumbnail. As well, most animal adoption websites don't allow users to foster. Currently, people go to Craigslist or local bulletin boards for fostering. I was able to finish making the forms (contact information, adoption, lost, found), but I realized I wouldn't have time to complete the back end for doing things like validating addresses. I figured that the GUI that I had built for sharing photos and videos was good enough to stand on its own, so I decided to fall back to a general image and video hosting website in hopes that I'd be able to get enough ad revenue to at least make minimum wage from the site and keep working. Creating the system for processing files and learning to set up a server took another four months after that. The website hosts photos and looping videos up to 10 seconds, mainly because that's the longest the server with its 512MB of RAM can handle. I had been looking at what people said here about a site called Narratr, where people can post audio to accompany albums of photos, like maybe leaving an audio record for an intergenerational family scrapbook. That's the sort of thing I hope to extend the project to cover. I want to do have multiple audio tracks, upload subtitles, have an AB button for making GIFs, like on DVD remote controls, have a better interface for zooming in on a video track, going back, and doing a freeze frame than anyone has tried. There's a gap between photo album and GIF where someone is taking photos at 3fps and they tell a story, or someone is uploading storyboarding from an animation, where users might want to switch between photo album and automatic slideshow format. For before-and-after pictures, users should be able to choose to view them side-by-side or with a click-and-drag widget. People should be able to choose a GIF clip for a video so that people have the ability to use GIF clips to "channel surf". The idea is that having multiple forms of content on the same website allows taking advantage of where these mediums blend together and the boundaries between them become less discrete. Before I can implement that though, I still haven't gotten done with the basics on my site. I haven't learned to use AJAX, and the next thing I need to do is make sure uploading will work via click-and-dragging a file, Ctrl+Ving with a file on the clipboard, it has a progress bar, it can send back error messages without a page refresh. I have a lot more to go with it. The problem is that I live with my parents, who snuck me into a retirement home, and they're going to be evicted from their retirement home in a week, so I am really hoping what I have is enough to bring in some sort of advertising revenue stream or something that can sustain working on the project more. My alternative is going to work at a nearby laundromat under the table for less than minimum wage for a while in exchange for a place to stay. If anyone here would like, I can link the website, maybe post screenshots from the animal adoption version. I hope I haven't bothered anyone and I would really like to hear any advice anyone here has to offer. Thank you all.
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galenanorth posted:I've been working on this project for almost a year now. It started out as an animal adoption website. Nearly all animal adoption sites are still built for desktop, and the photo galleries have each photo taking up 10% of the screen with a lot of space wasted by the frame of the thumbnail. As well, most animal adoption websites don't allow users to foster. Currently, people go to Craigslist or local bulletin boards for fostering. I was able to finish making the forms (contact information, adoption, lost, found), but I realized I wouldn't have time to complete the back end for doing things like validating addresses. I figured that the GUI that I had built for sharing photos and videos was good enough to stand on its own, so I decided to fall back to a general image and video hosting website in hopes that I'd be able to get enough ad revenue to at least make minimum wage from the site and keep working. Creating the system for processing files and learning to set up a server took another four months after that. source your crowdfunding pitches
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