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lenoon posted:It means "Oliver Cromwell" ecw best cw For writing and politics, definitely. For military stuff, not so much. Cromwell's great achievement in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms was the revolutionary idea that cav should stay on the battlefield all the way through, rather than loving off half way through to rob stuff. The best cavalry in the first English Civil War were the light border horse, who won Marston Moor by outflanking the Royalists, and nearly captured Rupert. They failed when they were forced to try and take on heavy New Model Army cavalry head to head at Dunbar, but name me a light cavalry force in history who didn't piss off when the going got tough.
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gently caress Oliver Cromwell, the genocidal little bitch.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:06
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Hey man, if you've ever been to Drogheda you'd get why he did what he did 
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Apr 22, 2017 03:17
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:gently caress Oliver Cromwell, the genocidal little bitch. His tank was poo poo, he got what he deserved.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:34
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Honestly it's weird that Cromwell in particular gets tagged with the genocide thing. The English had been using starvation and mass deportation to kill Irish Catholics for at least a century before Cromwell turned up, and the main thing that gets pinned on Cromwell specifically is Drogheda, where the Catholic Irish killed were in a minority, compared to Royalist English and Irish protestant forces. I've got no particular desire to carry Cromwell's standard here, but it seems most people criticising him are missing out how brutal pre-Cromwellian English policy in Ireland was.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:37
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Mr Enderby posted:Honestly it's weird that Cromwell in particular gets tagged with the genocide thing. The English had been using starvation and mass deportation to kill Irish Catholics for at least a century before Cromwell turned up, and the main thing that gets pinned on Cromwell specifically is Drogheda, where the Catholic Irish killed were in a minority, compared to Royalist English and Irish protestant forces. I've got no particular desire to carry Cromwell's standard here, but it seems most people criticising him are missing out how brutal pre-Cromwellian English policy in Ireland was. gently caress them too.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:47
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:gently caress them too.
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HEY GAIL posted:so...you've lived among the english long enough to say gently caress the english? Oh lord yes.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:51
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Mr Enderby posted:Honestly it's weird that Cromwell in particular gets tagged with the genocide thing. The English had been using starvation and mass deportation to kill Irish Catholics for at least a century before Cromwell turned up, and the main thing that gets pinned on Cromwell specifically is Drogheda, where the Catholic Irish killed were in a minority, compared to Royalist English and Irish protestant forces. I've got no particular desire to carry Cromwell's standard here, but it seems most people criticising him are missing out how brutal pre-Cromwellian English policy in Ireland was.
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Apr 22, 2017 03:50
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Yeah, Cromwell's conquest of Ireland was a pretty minor thing. What's over 200,000 dead civilians and somewhere around 50,000 deportations and throwing the natives off of their own land between neighbors?
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Apr 22, 2017 03:55
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Oh lord yes.  dating An English
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Apr 22, 2017 03:56
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Yeah, Cromwell's conquest of Ireland was a pretty minor thing. What's over 200,000 dead civilians and somewhere around 50,000 deportations and throwing the natives off of their own land between neighbors?
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Apr 22, 2017 04:02
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The turnaround this thread has had from sucking the ghostly white supremacist dick of Nathan Bedford Forrest to raging out about Cromwell is weird. I guess Cromwell should have said some token nice things about how the Irish are kind of okay, actually right before he dropped dead, then people would suddenly view him as a great guy all along.
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Grenrow posted:The turnaround this thread has had from sucking the ghostly white supremacist dick of Nathan Bedford Forrest to raging out about Cromwell is weird. I guess Cromwell should have said some token nice things about how the Irish are kind of okay, actually right before he dropped dead, then people would suddenly view him as a great guy all along. Go away.
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Grenrow posted:The turnaround this thread has had from sucking the ghostly white supremacist dick of Nathan Bedford Forrest to raging out about Cromwell is weird. I guess Cromwell should have said some token nice things about how the Irish are kind of okay, actually right before he dropped dead, then people would suddenly view him as a great guy all along. D&D is thataway
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Grenrow posted:The turnaround this thread has had from sucking the ghostly white supremacist dick of Nathan Bedford Forrest to raging out about Cromwell is weird. I guess Cromwell should have said some token nice things about how the Irish are kind of okay, actually right before he dropped dead, then people would suddenly view him as a great guy all along. the list of people throughout history who were not horrible by todays standards consists of one person: Fred Rogers.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:the list of people throughout history who were not horrible by todays standards consists of one person: Fred Rogers. well forrest was horrible by his day's standards as well
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I don't think Forrest was just covering his rear end; considering how easy and profitable it must have been to say that The South Did Nothing Wrong back then, he clearly didn't take the easy way out. That is, unless you don't believe that people can change their opinions, or that redemption only comes if they start claiming that they're a piece of poo poo at every possible moment. Like someone said in the Cold War thread, there's a documentary out there that shows McNamara clearly resentful over what he caused in Vietnam. Is he just going with the flow to look better for the others? What are the ISO approved norms of contrition and repentance that would prove that a man actually understood his mistakes?
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Also, saying "well he wasn't Literally Hitler for the last quarter of his life" is a super low bar; and even if it does make him a better person he's still an icon of white supremacy
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JcDent posted:Like someone said in the Cold War thread, there's a documentary out there that shows McNamara clearly resentful over what he caused in Vietnam. Is he just going with the flow to look better for the others? What are the ISO approved norms of contrition and repentance that would prove that a man actually understood his mistakes? It's pretty apparent McNamara understood he made awful mistakes, though the story he tells to explain them serves to apologise for others and dump overall blame solely on LBJ.
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Disinterested posted:That you don't is neither here nor there, but a lot of the imagery we use to describe things as organised is military. Of course, I was already aware of that, but the more I learn about the military, the less organized it gets. It's good at bookkeeping, sure, but actually getting things done in an efficient manner is something that's rarer than roses on the street.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Challenger 2s use the old type because the British had a shitload of ammo for their older rifled barrel designs, including that weird "explosive silly putty to induce terminal spall on the enemy tank. " I think there was only the one Chally 2 with a smoothbore, because they found that without modifying the turret extensively to include a bustle, they could only stow a handful of shells.
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StashAugustine posted:Also, saying "well he wasn't Literally Hitler for the last quarter of his life" is a super low bar; and even if it does make him a better person he's still an icon of white supremacy This is the big issue, especially with regards to poo poo like naming schools and statues. Dude might have realized he hosed up, but there's a reason that naming your kid "forrest" being a dogwhistle was a joke in Forrest Gump. It's kind of like the CSA flag thing: even if we could accept that it wasn't originally an emblem of white supremacy (which is a pretty tenuous argument, but let's just accept it for the sake of argument here) the way it's been utilized in the past 100 years makes it loving crystal clear that it's become that after the fact.
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Cyrano4747 posted:This is the big issue, especially with regards to poo poo like naming schools and statues. Dude might have realized he hosed up, but there's a reason that naming your kid "forrest" being a dogwhistle was a joke in Forrest Gump. It's kind of like the CSA flag thing: even if we could accept that it wasn't originally an emblem of white supremacy (which is a pretty tenuous argument, but let's just accept it for the sake of argument here) the way it's been utilized in the past 100 years makes it loving crystal clear that it's become that after the fact. a good post One of the reasons I love discussing/debating the ACW with an educated group is there's so much nuance to it...my own views on it have evolved a great deal over the years. Forrest is kind of a microcosm of the big picture, in a lot of different ways....so much so that studying Forrest's historiography has become a mini-industry unto itself. I approach it kind of like this: for an educated audience, Forrest was a generally ugly character, but one who deserves at least an historical asterisk for 1) being particularly interesting as a commander and 2) reforming his views late in life in contrast to practically all of his peers. For an uneducated audience: Forrest bad, slavery caused war.
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Disinterested posted:It's pretty apparent McNamara understood he made awful mistakes, though the story he tells to explain them serves to apologise for others and dump overall blame solely on LBJ. Overall blame ought to go to LBJ. He was Commander-in-Chief.
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VanSandman posted:Overall blame ought to go to LBJ. He was Commander-in-Chief. JFK could have shut it down. He was waiting for re-election. LBJ certainly had his own ideas, but not knowing what Kennedy's ultimate objective was, Johnson just followed his lead, seasoned with LBJ's desire to bend Congress to his will. I'm not absolving LBJ by any means, but JFK could have shut it down before it went past him. He wanted to use Vietnam to get re-elected. Just like LBJ. Just like Nixon.
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Apr 22, 2017 13:23
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Then you might as well blame the US public.
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Apr 22, 2017 13:27
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I edited the Brooksville Wikipedia article to include a stronger reference to Brooks' stance on slavery in the opening paragraphs 
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aphid_licker posted:I edited the Brooksville Wikipedia article to include a stronger reference to Brooks' stance on slavery in the opening paragraphs They have a loving monument to confederate soldiers there and it's a shitpile of a town.
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Part 1: Arriving in South Africa Part 2: The Reality of Combat/Getting Stuck In/WATERSPORTS! quote:
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Any idea why he got attached to the canadians? Was that kind of thing done often?
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Well apparently later in the diary he mentions being involved in signal duties and is sent to several signal stations in the late part of the war, he must be really good at waving flags/flashing lights.
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Quinntan posted:I think there was only the one Chally 2 with a smoothbore, because they found that without modifying the turret extensively to include a bustle, they could only stow a handful of shells. Apparently they're being refitted with smoothbores again these days.
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Apr 22, 2017 16:34
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 Soviet Union didn't liberate the Baltic states, it occupied them. Stop whitewashing history.
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My current favorite part of the diary (other than soldiers feeding ostriches their ammo for fun) is the author getting lost for 4 hours on the way back to camp and nearly wandering into the enemy lines.
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Hogge Wild posted:
Well, re-occupied.
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Hogge Wild posted:
Yes, this. We didn't fight a guerrilla war for ten years just because we were so bored of being that free.
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VanSandman posted:Overall blame ought to go to LBJ. He was Commander-in-Chief. Not just moral responsibility as leader, but the sole historical responsibility for the war.
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Hogge Wild posted:
To be fair, he is translating articles written in Russian by someone else. You're addressing the wrong dude.
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