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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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jBrereton posted:I for one cannot believe that calling for a referendum after a pisstakingly short amount of time since the last one would result in a minor swing away from the SNP. Man, even before the date for the first indyref one was set, they were saying they'd have a second referendum in case of Brexit.
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Apr 22, 2017 22:25
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Gordon Brown for Scottish labour leader. Sturgeon is so much better than Dugdale it's unreal.
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Apr 22, 2017 22:37
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Cat Mattress posted:Man, even before the date for the first indyref one was set, they were saying they'd have a second referendum in case of Brexit. I don't think this happened. Though nationalists were never going to give up after one, two or any number of failed referendums.
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Apr 22, 2017 22:41
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Leggsy posted:Now I'm just confused. Survation being so out of step with all the other pollsters nationally is kind of making me question them. But hey, they caught the late swing to the Tories in 2015 so perhaps there's method to the madness. Survation were right on the ball when it came to Brexit even when they were at points out on their own. They're definitely pollsters to take note of.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:05
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More interesting polling from Scotland https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/855919265756696577
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Apr 23, 2017 00:04
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Uniform swing would give the Tories the 12 seats Curtice was talking about, including Edinburgh South going from Labour to Tory. This might not even be the high watermark for all we know.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:09
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I believe in the general worthiness of polls, but I'm not buying 1 in 3 people in Scotland voting Conservative, I'm just not.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:10
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Hoops posted:I believe in the general worthiness of polls, but I'm not buying 1 in 3 people in Scotland voting Conservative, I'm just not. Yeah I just can't see it happening.  edit: Has anyone seen a link to the crosstabs yet? It'd be informative to know if this is just an artefact of a whole load of don't knows...
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Apr 23, 2017 00:21
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Hoops posted:I believe in the general worthiness of polls, but I'm not buying 1 in 3 people in Scotland voting Conservative, I'm just not. Seems plausible, they've turned themselves into the default party for pro-union and pro-Brexit Scots. 33% seems believable. Will be stronger in particular areas rather than steady nationally, but I can see it. It's sad but here we are.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:26
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Kill me now.Skinty McEdger posted:Survation were right on the ball when it came to Brexit even when they were at points out on their own. They're definitely pollsters to take note of. I keep misreading your title as being about the #BREXIT REVOLUTION. Please do not join the #BREXIT REVOLUTION.
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Apr 23, 2017 01:14
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Alertrelic posted:I'm voting SNP because Scottish Labour is terrible and don't deserve my vote. Then you're voting for a Tory government and you can gently caress off. Reminder to all: the SNP want a Tory government. Leaving aside whether they want more heinous poo poo to happen as a spur for independence, Labour literally cannot give the SNP a referendum because they need Scottish support to form a government. But the Tories can do it because they don't need Scotland, and they get rid of nothing but political opposition in the process. On that basis alone the SNP don't just want Tories in Westminster, they need them there.
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Apr 23, 2017 01:51
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Jedit posted:Then you're voting for a Tory government and you can gently caress off. Scotland should be free. England will impose tory governments on Scotland for the foreseeable future no matter how any Scot votes, and also drag Scotland out of the EU against the will of the Scottish people. Scotland should be free.
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Apr 23, 2017 02:06
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Jedit posted:Then you're voting for a Tory government and you can gently caress off. No Jedit you broken record, a vote for the SNP is not a vote for a Tory government. Behave yourself.
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Apr 23, 2017 02:09
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The SNP voting in a tory government would lead to such a destruction of their support it would make the injuries of the lib dems in 2015 look like a mild scratch. "hey we're not the tories" is like, half their whole thing. The SNP may be cynical but they're not morons, and they may always have one eye on independence but a key part of their plans for independence generally require more than three people in the whole country to still want to vote for them.
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Apr 23, 2017 02:13
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forkboy84 posted:No Jedit you broken record, a vote for the SNP is not a vote for a Tory government. Behave yourself. So you missed the array of media spin last time around warning how a LAB/SNP coalition would make the government beholden to the Jocks? A strong SNP is bad for Labour, both in terms of seats and perception. It is not bad for the Tories. Therefore a strong SNP is bad. Angepain: I didn't say the SNP would enable a Tory government, I said that they want one. Think of it like fancying your mate's girl. You'll maybe drop a few tiny hints and hope she comes around. But you can't just rise up and gently caress her, because that will destroy everything. Same with the SNP. They can't simply sign up with the Tories to get a government, but you'd better believe that if one gets elected some private rejoicing will be going on.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:15
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English media playing on English anti-caledonian sentiment doesn't mean the SNP are secret Tories, wtf.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:17
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Jedit posted:So you missed the array of media spin last time around warning how a LAB/SNP coalition would make the government beholden to the Jocks? A strong SNP is bad for Labour, both in terms of seats and perception. It is not bad for the Tories. Therefore a strong SNP is bad. You are actually broken. The SNP have driven you past the point of reason and into insanity. A strong Scottish Labour is a fantasy at this point. Whether it's "good" or "bad" is loving irrelevant. Yes, I'd like it if we sent a hoard of strong pro-Corbyn left-wing MPs to Westminster but this is not going to happen. If Labour can send Ian Murray back to Westminster it'll be an achievement. I'm not going to vote SNP myself because there's little point here, Labour got 1/7th of the vote that the SNP got in 2015. If it's in play at all it'll be between the SNP & the Liberals. Unless you're totally obsessed with "SNP bad" narratives then you simply look at your constituency, look at who is more likely to keep a Tory MP from being elected and then hold your nose. If it's a Liberal, if it's a Nationalist, if it's Labour, just do it. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Apr 23, 2017 11:19
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Jedit posted:So you missed the array of media spin last time around warning how a LAB/SNP coalition would make the government beholden to the Jocks? A strong SNP is bad for Labour, both in terms of seats and perception. It is not bad for the Tories. Therefore a strong SNP is bad. Remaining in the U.K. Is bad.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:23
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Coohoolin posted:English media playing on English anti-caledonian sentiment doesn't mean the SNP are secret Tories, wtf. anti-caledonian  The Tory's were able to run a very successful campaign of vote labour, be beholden to the SNP because Alex Salmond is attention seeking arse and made a point of saying that he'd be writing labour's budget during the campaign. Having concerns about a minority party from Scotland getting concessions to the detriment of the rest of the UK is legitimate and doesn't make you a racist.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:23
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jre fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Apr 23, 2017 11:26
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The Tories and SNP fed off each other in 2015. Sturgeon is trying to do it again now with talk of a 'progressive alliance'.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:40
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hakimashou posted:Remaining in the U.K. Is bad. Apologising for genocide is bad. gently caress off.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:42
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So the problem isn't so much the SNP or anything the SNP will actually do but that when the SNP is polling highly some voters elsewhere have been convinced to be scared that two parties in a parlimentary system may work together and get concessions from each other. Obvious solution: vote SNP if you want, but whenever a polling company phones up swear blind that you'll vote for a nice lovely Conservative government so that the rUK doesn't get nightmares. Easy.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:44
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Ignoring the subtext of "scheming penny pinching junkie Jocks" is disingenuous to say the least.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:46
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Coohoolin posted:Ignoring the subtext of "scheming penny pinching junkie Jocks" is disingenuous to say the least. Penny pinching doesn't mean being a pickpocket.
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Apr 23, 2017 11:49
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On a different note, should I have received my polling card for council elections by now? I'm a little bit concerned, since this is our first election after moving into a new place.
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Apr 23, 2017 12:35
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When did you register? I received mine weeks ago, but I've been registered here since the holyrood elections last year.
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Apr 23, 2017 12:46
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When we moved in in October  Not such a problem for my bf since he's still in the same ward as where he was registered before, but I'm not even in the same council area.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:10
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Coohoolin posted:Ignoring the subtext of "scheming penny pinching junkie Jocks" is disingenuous to say the least.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:24
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If English voters are so terrified of a do-nothing centre left party that they won't vote for any party that might go into coalition with the SNP and choose instead to vote Tory, I don't see how that makes the SNP bad. The fact is, if the recent polls are at all accurate, this is a two horse race between the SNP and the Tories. If you don't want a Tory government you need to vote SNP. Scottish Labour are dead.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:38
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marktheando posted:If English voters are so terrified of a do-nothing centre left party that they won't vote for any party that might go into coalition with the SNP and choose instead to vote Tory, I don't see how that makes the SNP bad. I think the problem for the SNP is that many people want to be out of the EU and/or in the UK more than they don't want a Tory government.
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Apr 23, 2017 14:54
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Coohoolin posted:Ignoring the subtext of "scheming penny pinching junkie Jocks" is disingenuous to say the least. Thank you for being offended on my behalf at the anti Scottish racism that isn't actually there.
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Apr 23, 2017 16:14
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marktheando posted:If English voters are so terrified of a do-nothing centre left party that they won't vote for any party that might go into coalition with the SNP and choose instead to vote Tory, I don't see how that makes the SNP bad. Newsflash: there are 591 constituencies that are not in Scotland. They count too.
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Apr 23, 2017 17:11
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Jedit posted:Newsflash: there are 591 constituencies that are not in Scotland. They count too. Well no poo poo, but this is the Scotland thread. Our choice is between adding to the Tory majority, or voting SNP.
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Apr 23, 2017 17:51
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marktheando posted:Well no poo poo, but this is the Scotland thread. Our choice is between adding to the Tory majority, or voting SNP. Well, no. Depending on the constituency voting Lib Dem or Labour could have a better chance of unseating a nationalist. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Apr 23, 2017 17:52
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Coohoolin posted:Ignoring the subtext of "scheming penny pinching junkie Jocks" is disingenuous to say the least. Says the Nazi gold hoarding Zurich Gnome.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:31
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marktheando posted:Well no poo poo, but this is the Scotland thread. Our choice is between adding to the Tory majority, or voting SNP. I think I'll feel fine voting Labour in my constituency given that it was Labour from 1936-2015 and then SNP from 2015-present.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:48
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marktheando posted:Well no poo poo, but this is the Scotland thread. Our choice is between adding to the Tory majority, or voting SNP. Or thinking beyond your petty provincialism and giving Labour enough seats to be an effective and above all accountable opposition.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:30
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Jedit posted:Or thinking beyond your petty provincialism and giving Labour enough seats to be an effective and above all accountable opposition. Would love to do this, but unhappily I'm in Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk so.. marktheando posted:
It is what it is. And what it is sucks.
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Jedit posted:Or thinking beyond your petty provincialism and giving Labour enough seats to be an effective and above all accountable opposition. This is a fantasy. Labour are going to be wiped out. Vote for a party that can defeat the tories- in almost every constituency this is the SNP. I'd rather vote Green for sure. But my seat is SNP vs Tory so that would be throwing my vote away.
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