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bongwizzard posted:Yes, because of all the overwhelming evidence that it is a totally valid political/economic system such as I love this sort of "there's no examples of it so it must be poo poo ergo capitalism is best" logic. We had nearly a thousand years of feudalism before capitalism came along. I wonder how many people at that point thought the mercantile classes where loonies before it all went tits up for the Feudal families. Who knows what the next economic system will be after Capitalism, when it'll change or how; but to argue we're in some sort of post-history society and it's just going to be an unbroken run of Capitalism from now till the end of time is just dumb.
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d3c0y2 posted:I love this sort of "there's no examples of it so it must be poo poo ergo capitalism is best" logic. We had nearly a thousand years of feudalism before capitalism came along. I wonder how many people at that point thought the mercantile classes where loonies before it all went tits up for the Feudal families. It's gonna be the techies out in California. Get ready for the limp pasty white hand of power. extra stout posted:Here's how many words it took for me to express my opinion back when I made this gif after some old criminal bitch stole my man Bernie's job: I don't know how to make a good .gif like that. Testikles fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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d3c0y2 posted:I love this sort of "there's no examples of it so it must be poo poo ergo capitalism is best" logic. We had nearly a thousand years of feudalism before capitalism came along. I wonder how many people at that point thought the mercantile classes where loonies before it all went tits up for the Feudal families. Sure, but like the world has already tried Marxism and found it to be crap. I'm all about trying something else, but it's hard to get excited about another failed idea.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Nah, death to anarchists. We need So close yet so far...
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skasion posted:You think Obamas ever grabbed any pussies ? Asking for a friend He probably got his fair share, though likely with permission.
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I'm ok with Feudalism if it means I can be a mercenary legally again
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d3c0y2 posted:I love this sort of "there's no examples of it so it must be poo poo ergo capitalism is best" logic. We had nearly a thousand years of feudalism before capitalism came along. I wonder how many people at that point thought the mercantile classes where loonies before it all went tits up for the Feudal families. capitalism is already pretty close to feudalism in a lot of respects. i feel like there's just going to be power imbalances that eventually swell to revolution, sometime finds a few new bandaids to stamp on the problem, and we get a new style of government and laugh about how rear end backwards capitalism was.
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Actually, has anyone come up with a reasonable sounding political/economic system in recent history? It seems like the late 1800's to early 1900's was a really fertile time for all sorts of new ideas in that regard, but I can't off the top my head think of anything more modern isn't an iteration of socialism/capitalism.
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VikingSkull posted:I'm ok with Feudalism if it means I can be a mercenary legally again good news! you can already work for a defense contracting company.
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anime was right posted:good news! you can already work for a defense contracting company. like I mean I get this sentiment but even the worst PMC doesn't get loot and pillage rights I'm talking classical slash and burn style mercenary
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bongwizzard posted:This is exactly why no one takes communism seriously. Like how can you even say this and expect any reasonable person to go "yes this guy is right, full communism now". Actually, we need full communism now. The neo-liberals have been plundering this country for far too long.
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bongwizzard posted:Sure, but like the world has already tried Marxism and found it to be crap. I'm all about trying something else, but it's hard to get excited about another failed idea. The issue with the permanent fear of change is that Western capitalism is running out of loans and nose jobs to pretend it isn't half dead and incapable of healthy growth that circulates through everyone or even half of everyone. Change is coming even if Coca-Cola goes on sale and the next Superbowl is a great game. You can only distract people from identifying their needs not being met for so long, can only con so many people into taking SSRIs, etc, AND SO ON AND SO ON, AND YOU KNOW *sniffs*
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VikingSkull posted:like I mean I get this sentiment but even the worst PMC doesn't get loot and pillage rights good news! you can become a somalian pirate.
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bongwizzard posted:Actually, has anyone come up with a reasonable sounding political/economic system in recent history? It seems like the late 1800's to early 1900's was a really fertile time for all sorts of new ideas in that regard, but I can't off the top my head think of anything more modern isn't an iteration of socialism/capitalism. No, but in the 90s a highly respected political scientist and economist wrote a book about how the collapse of the USSR meant the eternal triumph of liberal-democratic capitalism and the end of history and major geopolitical change. Amazingly he is still a highly respected political scientist and economist.
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anime was right posted:good news! you can become a somalian pirate. pirates are cool indeed but they lack the style of a proper mercenary
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anime was right posted:good news! you can become a somalian pirate. Capital not only created Somalian pirates but it has now ended them too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpNpDM-enLw
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extra stout posted:Capital not only created Somalian pirates but it has now ended them too This is awesome.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Actually, we need full communism now. The neo-liberals have been plundering this country for far too long. I mean, good luck with that and all but I would suspect they're a lot more productive things one could spend one's energy on other then pining for "poo poo that will never happen and wouldn't work even if it did".
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bongwizzard posted:I mean, good luck with that and all but I would suspect they're a lot more productive things one could spend one's energy on other then pining for "poo poo that will never happen and wouldn't work even if it did". Son, socialism is inevitable in America. The real issue now is what we're going to call it. I vote communism. Others will vote for "democratic socialism."
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Alienwarehouse posted:This is awesome. it's obviously an exciting video to watch i agree with you there but i get a bit depressed thinking about how these guys live poo poo lives waiting for ships to go by to survive off their plunderin' and now we all just kind of silently or ignorantly agree to pay an extra 12 cents per import to hire retired marines to shoot 120 large rounds through their heads and into the ocean every time a single boat tries to pull up to the barbed wire floating mansion transporting some rear end fucky poo poo we don't really need and used to not even want in the end i guess the pollution is the part to whine about because there was never some pre-pirate era where i grew up thinking 'i want to go to somalia one day and check it out!' even if they become even more terroristy than they are now they just can't really harm any area that i give a poo poo about beyond the ocean itself
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Alienwarehouse posted:Son, socialism is inevitable in America. The real issue now is what we're going to call it. I vote communism. Others will vote for "democratic socialism." I mean democratic socialism is a little different then the full on Marxism dude and might actually be doable, but the socialist "brand" is pretty poo poo here. Maybe it needs a new snappy name and an advertising blitz?
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bongwizzard posted:I mean democratic socialism is a little different then the full on Marxism dude and might actually be doable, but the socialist "brand" is pretty poo poo here. Maybe it needs a new snappy name and an advertising blitz? The goal of socialism is communism. Fall in line, comrade.
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bongwizzard posted:I mean democratic socialism is a little different then the full on Marxism dude and might actually be doable, but the socialist "brand" is pretty poo poo here. Maybe it needs a new snappy name and an advertising blitz? We'll tap into the nativist vote by reframing its narrative to be all about patriotism, love of the American people, and charismatic leadership. We can call it the National Socialist Party. People are gonna love it
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Alienwarehouse posted:Son, socialism is inevitable in America. The real issue now is what we're going to call it. I vote communism. Others will vote for "democratic socialism." the left really needs to do a better job of branding whatever they do. call it lincolnism or americanism or something dumb.
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skasion posted:We'll tap into the nativist vote by reframing its narrative to be all about patriotism, love of the American people, and charismatic leadership. We can call it the National Socialist Party. People are gonna love it Communism is already patriotic.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Communism is already patriotic. you're a maroon, son.
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:you're a maroon, son. whoa with the racist slurs
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Alienwarehouse posted:Communism is already patriotic. communism, eh? let's give it a whirl what could go wrong
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Alienwarehouse posted:Communism is already patriotic. Some Communists once even had a Great Patriotic War. So much patriotism. You'll say no, make it stop, it's too much patriotism. We can't handle all this patriotism.
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bonerjam posted:Joe Biden is about as creepy as Dennis Hastert irl. ive never heard of any weird buttscandals w him tho i figured he was just That One Harmless Uncle
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whoflungpoop posted:ive never heard of any weird buttscandals w him tho i figured he was just That One Harmless Uncle 
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bongwizzard posted:Actually, has anyone come up with a reasonable sounding political/economic system in recent history? It seems like the late 1800's to early 1900's was a really fertile time for all sorts of new ideas in that regard, but I can't off the top my head think of anything more modern isn't an iteration of socialism/capitalism. i mean, human history doesn't tend to be filled with a bunch of sudden breaks. concepts and ideas tend to evolve over time instead of just appearing fully formed from the ether. it isn't the answer you want, but both the modern european union and united nations are completely insane in the grand scheme of things. even in their current dysfunctional forms, the idea of countries surrendering some of their sovereign authority to a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels is difficult to imagine at any other point in history. same goes with the very concept of international law. yeah, it gets broken all the time, but the fact that countries bend over backwards to explain why policy x is within international law is weird. lol about the long-term stability of both those institutions tho. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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She's still too young to knoe how deal w That One Harmless Uncle, like just ignore him till you and your friends want beer and a ride to the beach
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skasion posted:No, but in the 90s a highly respected political scientist and economist wrote a book about how the collapse of the USSR meant the eternal triumph of liberal-democratic capitalism and the end of history and major geopolitical change. Amazingly he is still a highly respected political scientist and economist. Your predictions can be utterly, disastrously wrong and you will never get in trouble as an economist. But say something bad about the banks, and suddenly you stop getting calls
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Your predictions can be utterly, disastrously wrong and you will never get in trouble as an economist. But say something bad about the banks, and suddenly you stop getting calls economics is a poo poo tier fake propaganda "science" for most
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Pick posted:economics is a poo poo tier fake propaganda "science" for most 
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Pick posted:economics is a poo poo tier fake propaganda "science" for most Pretty much any economist who wants a career needs to do a stint at the Federal Reserve or a similar org associated with them. What a surprise, after a decade or two suddenly there's a near consensus among leading American economists.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Your predictions can be utterly, disastrously wrong and you will never get in trouble as an economist. But enough about Paul Krugman.
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Before neoliberalism became hegemonic, economy was more justly treated like a social science. Economy is inherently normative, but then neoliberalism manages to spin it as something akin to hard science, with over complicated math and models, which, in contrast to natural sciences, doesn't require to be tested against the real world. Social reality is just abstracted away. Rather the other way around, our models are right, reality be damned! Ofc the optimal solutions prescribed by neoliberal economics always benefit the top. Neoclassical economics is great at masquerading as an objective science, and too many economists do their best to be it's priests. Only now they tell you to suffer through because the economy demands it rather than "God's plan". I mean, eceonomy is literally about managing limited resources. We have a certain number of people with different skills, and tools, materials etc. What is to be done? How is labor distributed? How do you distribute the products of labor? The most normative questions there are in our society. And neoliberalism tries to pretend economy isn't ideological. Falukorv fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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