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FuriousxGeorge posted:You voted for Hillary Clinton, lol. so are you a decriminalize every drug libertarian, a taxes are the real slavery libertarian, children should be able to sell their labor libertarian, the south will rise again libertarian or what i mean every option is super dumb but id like to know which flavor of dumb you are e: forgot hoard gold and guns, that's my bad
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NewForumSoftware posted:You sweet summer child, such naivety warms my heart I said that if the DNC didn't learn from Kansas I'd change my mind and agree with the OP. Settle down.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:30
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SSNeoman posted:far from most. those people are well in the minority. sucks to be them I guess. If “Did Not Vote” Had Been A Candidate In The 2016 US Presidential Election, It Would Have Won By a Landslide
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Apr 22, 2017 23:31
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SSNeoman posted:I said that if the DNC didn't learn from Kansas I'd change my mind and agree with the OP. lol quote:Settle down. x2 stop tone policing you big baby can't believe I found the one guy going "well I'll give them ONE more chance" 30 years into abject failure
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Apr 22, 2017 23:33
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SSNeoman posted:We're not even done with special elections. Settle down.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:33
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stone cold posted:so are you a decriminalize every drug libertarian, a taxes are the real slavery libertarian, children should be able to sell their labor libertarian, the south will rise again libertarian or what Legalize drugs and other victimless crimes, protect civil liberties, stop being world police type. Disagree on economics, but I disagreed on economics with everyone on the PA ballot.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:36
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steinrokkan posted:That's fine if you are willing to give a straight, honest answer to the inevitable follow up: "Which party are the neoliberals" both
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Apr 22, 2017 23:37
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Alienwarehouse posted:Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump had much more in common than they did not, specifically on war, defense contractors, corporate welfare, banks, private prisons, and fracking. This poo poo is epically dumb and the leftists who were pushing this narrative (and voting accordingly in swing states) during the election are part of the reason we have trump. FuriousxGeorge posted:I didn't protest vote. He was the best candidate on the ballot even with his flaws and my areas of disagreement with him. Holy poo poo.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:37
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FuriousxGeorge posted:If “Did Not Vote” Had Been A Candidate In The 2016 US Presidential Election, It Would Have Won By a Landslide Now do it for 2012, 2008, 2004 and 2000. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/ Voter turnout has been low for the past couple of decades. This has nothing to do with Trump or Hillary, though admittedly the two made the situation slightly worse. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Apr 22, 2017 23:38
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Sure. So in the end the message remains the same as it was before all the spin doctoring - gently caress politics.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Legalize drugs and other victimless crimes, protect civil liberties, stop being world police type. Disagree on economics, but I disagreed on economics with everyone on the PA ballot. what are the other victimless crimes in your definition, like don't be squirrelly if you're a children should be able to sell their labor type
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Apr 22, 2017 23:38
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SSNeoman posted:Now do it for 2012, 2008, 2004 and 2000. Well yeah. This problem did not begin with Hillary or Trump.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:39
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SSNeoman posted:Voter turnout has been low for the past couple of decades. This has nothing to do with Trump or Hillary, though admittedly the two made the situation worse. It's continuously been falling since "lesser of two evils" neoliberalism is all that's been on the table
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Apr 22, 2017 23:40
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stone cold posted:what are the other victimless crimes in your definition, like don't be squirrelly if you're a children should be able to sell their labor type Man it would be so much easier for you if I was a strawman, but no.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:40
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Well yeah. This problem did not begin with Hillary or Trump. So why bring up the point? Especially in a discussion about the effectiveness for voting third party?
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Apr 22, 2017 23:40
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Man it would be so much easier for you if I was a strawman, but no. i mean, voting libertarian automatically makes you super stupid, don't get me wrong, but it's not that it would be easier, more like you're insanely bland the lincoln chafee of libertarians
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Apr 22, 2017 23:42
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steinrokkan posted:Sure. So in the end the message remains the same as it was before all the spin doctoring - gently caress politics. No, not necessarily. The message is "gently caress Republicans and also the Clintons". You can still fight for a political alternative
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Apr 22, 2017 23:42
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icantfindaname posted:No, not necessarily. The message is "gently caress Republicans and also the Clintons". You can still fight for a political alternative Pretty words. Whatcha got on that front?
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Apr 22, 2017 23:42
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JeffersonClay posted:This poo poo is epically dumb and the leftists who were pushing this narrative (and voting accordingly in swing states) during the election are part of the reason we have trump. CorrectTheRecord must be paying you well. Or worse, you're genuinely this stupid.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:45
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icantfindaname posted:No, not necessarily. The message is "gently caress Republicans and also the Clintons". You can still fight for a political alternative No, you can't, because admitting to voting third party starts this whole circle of bullshit over again, and nothing is done.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:45
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We'll also wait for noted shithead JeffersonClay to provide evidence that Hillary Clinton did NOT have cozy relationships with defense contractors, corporate welfare, banks, private prisons, and pro-fracking lobbyists.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:47
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SSNeoman posted:So why bring up the point? Especially in a discussion about the effectiveness for voting third party? I don't understand what's confusing you about this conversation.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:46
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SSNeoman posted:Pretty words. Whatcha got on that front? http://www.dsausa.org/
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JeffersonClay posted:This poo poo is epically dumb and the leftists who were pushing this narrative (and voting accordingly in swing states) during the election are part of the reason we have trump. You know you're going to have to back up your assertions that leftist criticisms of Clinton played any meaningful role, right? Majorian fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Apr 22, 2017 23:54
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Majorian posted:You know you're going to have to back up your assertions that leftist criticisms of Clinton played any meaningful role, right? It's good at least for the truth to come out, that the real reason he thinks Hillary lost is that she was stabbed in the back by socialist traitors Someone really needs to rebuy them that Hindenburg avatar
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Apr 23, 2017 00:01
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Majorian posted:You know you're going to have to back up your assertions that leftist criticisms of Clinton played any meaningful role, right? You see that I'm discussing this with two leftists who believe the false equivalency between Trump and Clinton justifies voting for Gary Johnson in a swing state, right? I'm not sure the burden on me is to prove they're not meaningless outliers. Alienwarehouse posted:We'll also wait for noted shithead JeffersonClay to provide evidence that Hillary Clinton did NOT have cozy relationships with defense contractors, corporate welfare, banks, private prisons, and pro-fracking lobbyists. If you're not smart enough to identify meaningful differences between Hillary and Trump on defense, corporations, criminal justice and the environment now, no amount of reasoned explanation is going to fix the problem. Also Majoritarian is trying real hard to pretend leftists like you don't exist enough to matter so maybe throw him a bone?
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Apr 23, 2017 00:23
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"Was it defeat to choose the lesser of two evils?" - Paul Maud'Dib, "Dune"
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Apr 23, 2017 00:28
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Legalize drugs and other victimless crimes, protect civil liberties, stop being world police type. Disagree on economics, but I disagreed on economics with everyone on the PA ballot. Legalizing drugs without dismantling capitalism let's the pharmaceutical companies that created the opiate crisis push their shot even harder
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Apr 23, 2017 00:29
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stone cold posted:i mean, voting libertarian automatically makes you super stupid, don't get me wrong, but it's not that it would be easier, more like you're insanely bland Chafee was too weird to be bland, you're looking for Martin O'Malley
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Apr 23, 2017 00:31
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stone cold posted:what are the other victimless crimes in your definition, like don't be squirrelly if you're a children should be able to sell their labor type "Child labor must be a victimless crime in their mind; I'm sorry what are children?"
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Apr 23, 2017 00:34
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Majorian posted:You know you're going to have to back up your assertions that leftist criticisms of Clinton played any meaningful role, right? I'd really like him to explain how criticism in the primary is treason.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:36
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JeffersonClay posted:You see that I'm discussing this with two leftists who believe the false equivalency between Trump and Clinton justifies voting for Gary Johnson in a swing state, right? I'm not sure the burden on me is to prove they're not meaningless outliers. No, you've been making this claim for quite a while now. You need to back it up. I'm not really interested in someone's absurd excuses for voting for Gary "Hurrrr Aleppo?!" Johnson. I'm interested in why we should believe you when you claim that left-wing criticisms of Clinton hurt her significantly in the general election. I'm also interested in why the fault should be placed with the leftists who pointed out her painfully glaring flaws, instead of folks like you who insisted that those flaws were inconsequential.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:36
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Again, with JC telling Sanders voters here not to bother to vote for Abuela last year because she had in the bag, and people like Schumer talking about the white working class vote being irrelevant, it's hard to care about their stabbed in the back by leftists rhetoric now. If the Democrat party is actively pushing away voters, it's their fault not the voters. And Hillary/Mook themselves were guilty of this with the stuff that happened in Michigan.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:40
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Legalizing drugs without dismantling capitalism let's the pharmaceutical companies that created the opiate crisis push their shot even harder uh, its still better than putting vast swathes of a particular ethnic group in a cage. i mean libertarians are super morons but this doesn't prevent them from being the stopped clock in this case.
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A big flaming stink posted:uh, its still better than putting vast swathes of a particular ethnic group in a cage. I mean I'm limiting this analysis to opiates here but yeah free weed
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shrike82 posted:Again, with JC telling Sanders voters here not to bother to vote for Abuela last year because she had in the bag, and people like Schumer talking about the white working class vote being irrelevant, it's hard to care about their stabbed in the back by leftists rhetoric now. Yeah, once again, if anyone needs a reminder of why Jamelle Bouie and other liberal columnists are absolutely part of the problem...
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Apr 23, 2017 00:51
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Seriously look at JC's post history before and after the election. It's a good microcosm of the HRC 'movement' - dismissing stuff like the email scandal as nothing, making GBS threads on Sanders and actively wanting to push away his supporters, sucking on Mook's big data dick, and suddenly after November blaming everyone else but Abuela. Man, I wish I had hung out with JC on election night, that'd have been awesome to watch.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:58
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Legalizing drugs without dismantling capitalism let's the pharmaceutical companies that created the opiate crisis push their shot even harder So you prefer "Let's keep the minorities serving time and slave labor in for-profit prisons." Got it.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:58
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Mister Facetious posted:So you prefer "Let's keep the minorities serving time and slave labor in for-profit prisons." i prefer dismantling capitalism 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:i prefer dismantling capitalism Yeah, what's three strikes and another twenty years to those minorities, amirite? They can wait.
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