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As a guard player who hasn't had access to any formations other than like, 1 artillery group - This is great! Although I feel for the poor bastards who just bought into Yneari or whatever. That book's like a month old or something. edit: Reading the cries of the brokens on Facebook: 
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Thats the poo poo thing books a month old not worth crap. I guess the army is valid but those specific books are not an you can't justify them otherwise.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:08
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Yeast posted:As a guard player who hasn't had access to any formations other than like, 1 artillery group - I don't think the faction itself is going anywhere, it sucks that the book was invalidated but I'm taking one for the team to burn these rules to the ground.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:08
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RagnarokAngel posted:I don't think the faction itself is going anywhere, it sucks that the book was invalidated but I'm taking one for the team to burn these rules to the ground. Agreed, I'm not crying too much over SoulBurst Central having a chance to be rebalanced.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:10
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For_Great_Justice posted:
What indication is there that Slaanesh is being removed? I play 30k EC and I'm hoping for some 40k models since they're doing more chaos marines.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:12
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JBP posted:What indication is there that Slaanesh is being removed? I play 30k EC and I'm hoping for some 40k models since they're doing more chaos marines. Fearmongering about GW making the game more kid friendly and streamlining the setting probably. I haven't heard of any actual evidence that s/he's going anywhere.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:13
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They already took out the super rapey bits and beastmen still exist so that seems a bit far fetched.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:15
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Slaanesh is gone from AoS so don't tell me its not a possibility.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:18
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Fearmongering about things that have already happened in AoS.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:19
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I for one welcome our new 8th edition overlords. As long as Necrons get more trolltastic rules and tricks I'll be happy. Also bring back cryptek powers, those where fun.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:19
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Oh ok, ah well. That will suck if it happens.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:19
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RagnarokAngel posted:I don't think the faction itself is going anywhere, it sucks that the book was invalidated but I'm taking one for the team to burn these rules to the ground. They're showing it on the new site as a distinct Eldar faction, which surprised me. For_Great_Justice posted:At this point not blowing up the setting is the minimum that should be required and any praise for them not blowing it to poo poo is loving dumb. I'm hoping we get legion rules for Chaos back pretty quick. It's not praise for not blowing up the setting so much as tentative excitement that they're doing a fresh start on the rules. As much as I liked the traitor legion formation detachments, I'm not going to miss having to bring 3 different books to run my Night Lords (though I will miss the Raptor Talon formation). The units will still be usable though, and Raptors have been a good unit for several editions now. The responses I recall in this thread around starting all encouraged starting with Kill Team and not buying a rulebook because 8th edition was coming out, but even now I wouldn't tell someone not to start, just to not spend any money on rules. I don't think we're going to lose Emperor's Children* (in fact I'm pretty confident we'll see a Fulgrim model eventually), but I definitely wouldn't build a Kakophoni right now. And I'm all for bringing back the movement stat--it's a desperately-needed axis to balance units on. The alternative is 8th edition just doing a minor rules update and keeping all the current books, which just puts a band-aid on a bad ruleset.** *NB: Slaanesh and Emperor's Children are two different things. Even with Slaanesh gone in AoS, there's still a supported Slaanesh Daemon faction. **Note: I am not confident that 8th edition will actually be good, but I'm reserving judgment until we know more about the new rules.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:21
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I don't think Slaanesh is going anywhere because we only just summoned a fracture of Ynnead, who's been hyped up as the one who will kill him/her/it. In GW's timeline Ynnead might appear in 2035 to maybe get around to it.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:30
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sure, whatever I just don't think Emperor's Children are going anywhere and that we'll see Fulgrim sooner or later
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Apr 23, 2017 03:32
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How the hell is anyone surprised that their 7th edition books won't work in 8th edition? Especially if it is going to be substantially different then the 6.5 that is going out? Is this similar to what happened with AoS? Sure. Is this similar to every other game that has gone through a significant rules change? Very strongly sure. That being said I have nothing invested in this game and especially don't have any ridiculous formations that probably won't exist anymore.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:33
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Slaanesh probably get a Demon Fulgrim and friends release late this year, similar to Tsuns and Death Guard, no?
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BaconCopter posted:How the hell is anyone surprised that their 7th edition books won't work in 8th edition? Especially if it is going to be substantially different then the 6.5 that is going out? Some people really, really want 40k players to be as upset about this as fantasy players were about AoS 40k players just really, really want a better game, so seem to be not as upset enough for that first group TTerrible has been reading the thread while stroking his dick, but I suspect he's only working with half a chub Yeast posted:Slaanesh probably get a Demon Fulgrim and friends release late this year, similar to Tsuns and Death Guard, no? Probably next year
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Apr 23, 2017 03:36
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Yeast posted:Slaanesh probably get a Demon Fulgrim and friends release late this year, similar to Tsuns and Death Guard, no? I'd bet money on it; there's even little passages about a gigantic snake-bodied creature daemon tearing poo poo up on some warzone in one of the Gathering Storm books.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:37
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TheChirurgeon posted:
Makes sense. I guess Khorne gets the same treatment at some stage.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:38
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Yeast posted:Makes sense. I guess Khorne gets the same treatment at some stage. If GW follows the AoS model for the new 40k, we'll get 4 Khorne releases a year  but more seriously I think it's a matter of "when" and not "if" on Fulgrim/Angron being released for 40k
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Apr 23, 2017 03:42
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It's pretty telling when this is the Chaos list from the 'Choose a side' page.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:43
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I'd love it if fulgrim gets a model an more EC stuff came but if the game sucks why bother. I like the idea if a move stat makes sense. However dumping stuff like the raptor talon sets a bad taste in my mouth unless you can deep strike an charge just have it have a penalty. It could happen but I don't have my hopes up. The game has to be good. Period if the rules an play are good an not a copy paste of AoS I'm more than happy to be wrong an play. On the other hand AoS has Seraphons, also an army I liked till it became summon units the army buy 100 more models. For a game with no structure and invisible horses. While Slaanesh an EC are not the same thing they worship the fucker so if he/she/it goes the gently caress is the point quite honestly?
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Apr 23, 2017 03:45
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Yeast posted:It's pretty telling when this is the Chaos list from the 'Choose a side' page. The imperium side just says "space marines" while space wolves, blood angels and dark angels got their own entry. The CSM chapters aren't getting canned unless loyalists are too.
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For_Great_Justice posted:I'd love it if fulgrim gets a model an more EC stuff came but if the game sucks why bother. I like the idea if a move stat makes sense. Yeah I agree that if the new rules are poo poo, none of this will matter. I'm tentatively on board with what little they've released, though. Dumping the Raptor Talon sucks, but it may not be gone for good--AoS has formations--the difference is that (I have been told) AoS formations have a points cost associated with them (in addition to model costs). The summoning rules for AoS also have you pay points for summoned models now too, which is another thing 40k needs. Otherwise, how big is your Raptor Talon? Having 2 squads of Raptors and a Chaos Lord without a special formation bonus isn't the end of the world--Raptors have historically been good units because of their cost, mobility, and the ability to take 2x meltaguns, and I'd bet on two out of three of those not changing. And if you got Warp Talons in there too, look on the bright side--they might not be worthless in the new edition! Re: Slaanesh, I'm not sure I follow your logic. If the game comes out with rules for Fulgrim and the EC and they're good, who the gently caress cares what happens to Slaanesh in the fluff?
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RagnarokAngel posted:The imperium side just says "space marines" while space wolves, blood angels and dark angels got their own entry. The CSM chapters aren't getting canned unless loyalists are too. This seems pretty exhaustive rules wise 
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RagnarokAngel posted:The imperium side just says "space marines" while space wolves, blood angels and dark angels got their own entry. The CSM chapters aren't getting canned unless loyalists are too. That's the opposite of what I'm saying. The list is clearly missing Khorne and Slaanesh from the 'main armies' everything else will be dealt with as Generic CSMs
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JBP posted:This seems pretty exhaustive rules wise Yes those are all recognized as unique factions because GWs been laying the imperium love on thick. This isn't any different than how they're recognized in 7th ed. Yeast posted:That's the opposite of what I'm saying. The list is clearly missing Khorne and Slaanesh from the 'main armies'
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I hope they release angron and fulgrim. There was a hint that not all traitors and loyalists would remain on the same side. Hopefully they make it interesting and have a cool story arc for one of the primarchs seeking redemption or just trashing everything a second time.
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RagnarokAngel posted:
That's exactly what I'm saying
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JBP posted:I hope they release angron and fulgrim. There was a hint that not all traitors and loyalists would remain on the same side. Hopefully they make it interesting and have a cool story arc for one of the primarchs seeking redemption or just trashing everything a second time. Angron and Fulgrim aren't gonna switch sides JBP posted:This seems pretty exhaustive rules wise It doesn't break out Iron Hands, Raven Guard, White Scars, Imperial Fists, or Black Templar, which are more analogous to the Chaos Legions RagnarokAngel posted:Because thousand sons got their own book recently and death guard is soon so GW is marketing them as something unique like they space wolves, dark angels etc. Slaanesh and khorne have yet to get that treatment. Well, except for Khorne Daemonkin
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TheChirurgeon posted:Angron and Fulgrim aren't gonna switch sides They don't have to wholesale switch sides, but they could do the right thing once (well not Angron, but Fulgrim and Magnus might have a glimmer of nobility left). EC could be interesting if they roll up Slaanesh as a God.
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8th edition looks cool as gently caress. A lot of the changes proposed sound really fun, and we might actually have orks and Nids viable again. And getting rid of codexes is cool and good. Now we won't have poo poo where CSM is still using a 6th ed codex while C:SM has been updated multiple times. As for the Gathering Storm books, they are fluff books more than anything, hence why they were sold as campaign books. The Triumvirates will have new rules, don't worry. New Mark IX armor tac marines look really freaking awesome as well. Though I hope Chaos gets something too, because jesus our regular troops blow rear end sculpt wise. Seriously though, there are a lot of people getting really upset and going "see, I told you so" about 8th Ed(even though we have known that this was coming for a while) that are the same people that complain about the issues with the current edition, like how bloated it is. Things that are being addressed with these new changes. Plus, there are a lot of things coming over from AOS that work really well, and seeing as they seem to have learned from AOS(since in several gaming communities it seems to be taking over 40k in popularity) I am quite optimistic about how things are going to turn out.
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I feel bad for anybody who recently bought into the game within the past few months, especially when potential new players were being actively discouraged from paying attention to the constantly escalating trickle of new edition rumors and to overlook the possibility that a decent chunk of their recent investment was going to take a knock. Death thread likes to dunk on 8th ed rumors and announcements with the "Age of the Emperor" moniker but, frankly, this is pretty obviously an Age of Sigmar style upheaval, just dialed back to a more reasonable level due to lessons learned the last time GW went entire pig on a product line overhaul. That said, from an outside perspective, 7th edition looked like a gigantic mess and I'm not surprised people would actually prefer to dehumanize and face to Sigmar than deal with that poo poo.
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I'm pretty easily satisfied. I just want a game that's faster to play, and requires me to carry around less stuff to play it. I also really like the 40k universe, so the new edition is sounding pretty good to me. 
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JBP posted:There was a hint that not all traitors and loyalists would remain on the same side.
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TheChirurgeon posted:
I actually like Slaanesh an its themes so it matters to me. God forbid I like things. If I want tight rules an not care about fluff I'll play WMH the fluff an themes is half of why I'd play 40k. Tossing one is tossing both to me.
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Apr 23, 2017 04:34
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Don't remind me about warmahordes fluff, oh god
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TheChirurgeon posted:Angron and Fulgrim aren't gonna switch sides There's a dude at my lgs that's convinced that Fulgrim never made it out of the painting and that he's going to get restored into his body and lead the EC into redemption.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:There's a dude at my lgs that's convinced that Fulgrim never made it out of the painting and that he's going to get restored into his body and lead the EC into redemption. But none of the EC should give a poo poo about him. They would be loyal to Slannesh and their debauchery over him.
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I sure can't wait for the brand new Space Marine models that 8th edition will bring, they really deserve some new content since they haven't seen a real release in a long time! 
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