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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6l8MFdTaPE High level pokemon play is worse then grog games, I swear.
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TL;DR It's basically 50% each time. That's not technically correct, but it's close enough for government work. Also never ask a goon to explain something to a layman, apparently.
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Apr 23, 2017 02:29
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PMush Perfect posted:TL;DR It's basically 50% each time. That's not technically correct, but it's close enough for government work. It's a sliding scale between 1/4x and 4x with 1x being dead in the center.
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Apr 23, 2017 02:34
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Couple of interesting points that I'm not sure will get covered in the main LP. You can actually lose to Theo here and continue the game; there's alternate dialogue where Theo is very, very happy about finally winning against Dick Solomon (clearly having mulled his losses for years). I'm only aware of this and two other points where something special happens if you lose a battle other than blacking out, which I'll bring up as they occur. Other thing; Valeryn's Mega Stone gift is currently the only source of the mega stone for that UFO pokemon, S-52 (I think?). If you don't choose that pokemon for your mega stone gift, you simply cannot ever get it. This may have changed in later patches, but I know this was the case in the version I played (which was one version behind OFS's).
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Apr 23, 2017 02:50
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PMush Perfect posted:Also never ask a goon to explain something to a layman, apparently. I love it: one person asks a question, and like six people bowl over each other with basically the same answer.
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Apr 23, 2017 04:52
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A stat boost makes that stat higher. A stat nerf makes that stat lower. The exact math only matters if you play competitively, which is a terrible idea.
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Apr 23, 2017 06:41
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GeneX posted:A stat boost makes that stat higher. A stat nerf makes that stat lower. But he asked for the exact math
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Apr 23, 2017 07:07
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Added Space posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6l8MFdTaPE The competitive Pokemon community is not actually all that grognardy, in relative terms. one of my favorite Pokemon related things is this strategy entry for Farfetch'd: http://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/farfetchd/ou/
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Apr 23, 2017 07:07
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Spatula City posted:The competitive Pokemon community is not actually all that grognardy, in relative terms. one of my favorite Pokemon related things is this strategy entry for Farfetch'd: http://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/farfetchd/ou/
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Apr 23, 2017 07:33
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I have this weird problem with Smogon where if I scroll down a page even once it starts slooooowly autoscrolling downward and I hate it and I can'f figure out any way to fix it.
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Apr 23, 2017 07:41
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PMush Perfect posted:Don't forget http://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/luvdisc/ and http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/spinda/
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Apr 23, 2017 08:05
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LAY-ZX posted:But he asked for the exact math I'm more commenting on the premise of the question itself
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Apr 23, 2017 08:12
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Added Space posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6l8MFdTaPE Who the do you think is running ths LP?! 
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Apr 23, 2017 13:48
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playing pokemon competitively is fun. i wouldnt go to tournaments or anything but pokemon showdown or whatever is a good time. there's no competitive game that plays anything like pokemon, it's pretty simple to grasp the rules of, and it's like 80% bluffing/baiting so you don't need to be some high level expert to do okay at it. there's a knowledge barrier of knowing what each pokemon can do but since it's turn-based you can literally just look things up as they happen. it's a good time, i'd recommend it.
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Apr 23, 2017 16:18
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Endorph posted:playing pokemon competitively is fun. i wouldnt go to tournaments or anything but pokemon showdown or whatever is a good time. there's no competitive game that plays anything like pokemon, it's pretty simple to grasp the rules of, and it's like 80% bluffing/baiting so you don't need to be some high level expert to do okay at it. there's a knowledge barrier of knowing what each pokemon can do but since it's turn-based you can literally just look things up as they happen. it's a good time, i'd recommend it. Definitely use Pokemon Showdown though. Actually building the team in-game and doing breeding chains or making sure your EVs are right or you have the right Hidden Power or whatever you need is the worst part, and it lets you skip that step.
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Apr 23, 2017 16:27
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Prism posted:Definitely use Pokemon Showdown though. Actually building the team in-game and doing breeding chains or making sure your EVs are right or you have the right Hidden Power or whatever you need is the worst part, and it lets you skip that step. Which sucks, because I love all the shiny bells and whistles of the actual game's battles. Showdown is wonderful, but it's so cold.
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Apr 24, 2017 03:18
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Prism posted:Definitely use Pokemon Showdown though. Actually building the team in-game and doing breeding chains or making sure your EVs are right or you have the right Hidden Power or whatever you need is the worst part, and it lets you skip that step. Do so many people do all that nonsense that everyone has to just to keep up? Obviously dorks are gonna dork, but you'd think you would just take your loss and go back to fighting more normal people who don't spend eight hours a day soft-resetting for IVs for whatever.
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Apr 24, 2017 03:41
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magikid posted:Do so many people do all that nonsense that everyone has to just to keep up? Obviously dorks are gonna dork, but you'd think you would just take your loss and go back to fighting more normal people who don't spend eight hours a day soft-resetting for IVs for whatever.
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Apr 24, 2017 04:13
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magikid posted:Do so many people do all that nonsense that everyone has to just to keep up? Obviously dorks are gonna dork, but you'd think you would just take your loss and go back to fighting more normal people who don't spend eight hours a day soft-resetting for IVs for whatever. If you want to win against better quality opponents, its what you'll be doing. Same as any other competitive activity.
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Apr 24, 2017 04:16
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magikid posted:Do so many people do all that nonsense that everyone has to just to keep up? Obviously dorks are gonna dork, but you'd think you would just take your loss and go back to fighting more normal people who don't spend eight hours a day soft-resetting for IVs for whatever. Yeah sure. You don't have to do any of that stuff. Provided, of course, that you don't want to be the very best.
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Apr 24, 2017 04:33
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PMush Perfect posted:Don't forget http://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/luvdisc/ and http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/spinda/ 
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Apr 24, 2017 05:36
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magikid posted:Do so many people do all that nonsense that everyone has to just to keep up? Obviously dorks are gonna dork, but you'd think you would just take your loss and go back to fighting more normal people who don't spend eight hours a day soft-resetting for IVs for whatever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Igc18hc2Q For RBY pokemon, you can use pokerus and upload to Pokémon Bank.
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Apr 24, 2017 05:51
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*hides her team with it on it that exists only to participate in stuff and not win*
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Apr 24, 2017 06:20
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Sounds like a lack of creativity imo.
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Apr 24, 2017 06:28
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Spatula City posted:The competitive Pokemon community is not actually all that grognardy, in relative terms. one of my favorite Pokemon related things is this strategy entry for Farfetch'd: http://www.smogon.com/dex/bw/pokemon/farfetchd/ou/ There's also its Diamond and Pearl entry, which is a personal favorite of mine. http://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/farfetchd/
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Apr 24, 2017 07:50
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Pretty much all the Unown ones are good, I'm partial to this one http://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/unown/
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Apr 24, 2017 10:22
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Raserys posted:Pretty much all the Unown ones are good, I'm partial to this one http://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/unown/ quote:As Unown can sometimes get temperamental when dropped into a situation outside of what it is used to (caves, incest),  Now I'm wondering if Uranium has Unown. I can't imagine what kind of bullshot this game would hide the punctuation forms behind.
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Apr 24, 2017 11:40
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magikid posted:Do so many people do all that nonsense that everyone has to just to keep up? Obviously dorks are gonna dork, but you'd think you would just take your loss and go back to fighting more normal people who don't spend eight hours a day soft-resetting for IVs for whatever. Which is why if there is a game where I would absolutely support cheating for, it would be generating legal stats/nature/moveset prep for in-game Pokemon competitive battling, since the RNG does gently caress nothing but detracts from the skill-based aspect of the game.
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Apr 24, 2017 13:17
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Palladium posted:Which is why if there is a game where I would absolutely support cheating for, it would be generating legal stats/nature/moveset prep for in-game Pokemon competitive battling, since the RNG does gently caress nothing but detracts from the skill-based aspect of the game.
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Apr 24, 2017 13:41
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PMush Perfect posted:At least they've done a lot to make it easier to get Pokemon with 3 guaranteed perfect IVs. (Most recently, VC bank-transfer.) In the best case scenario, breeding can only guarantee five out of six, and you never know which five. If you're trying to get an actually perfect pokemon with the right ability, that's a 1/64 chance, assuming both parents also have 6 perfect IVs. Competitive Pokemon is a level of grognardery on the level of minmaxing character stats in Final Fantasy Tactics. Unfortunately, that level of grognardery is what causes things like Uranium.
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On the plus side, you'd only really care about one attacking stat for the vast majority of mons. That means you just have to roll that one unpredictable IV in the stat they don't use, which cuts down the time spent considerably. Alakazam isn't exactly attached to his physical attack. That's still a lot of grognardery but it's kinda fun for those of us mad enough. God help you if you need a specific Hidden Power, though.
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No one who actually commits to that grognardy would make a new type And make it effective.and weak to everything Then make a make a typical sweeper Make it that type Give an ability that makes all normals that new type Then give it loving hyper voice. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 17:04
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KataraniSword posted:In the best case scenario, breeding can only guarantee five out of six, and you never know which five. If you're trying to get an actually perfect pokemon with the right ability, that's a 1/64 chance, assuming both parents also have 6 perfect IVs. You usually only need 5 out of the 6 IVs to be perfect, since you rarely need both attack stats, and something is getting dumped to get a boost from the nature anyway. (The big exception being hidden power, which needs even and odd IVs in specific places to get a specific type and lol.) With two 6 IV parents, getting the right 5 IV spread is actually 1/6. It's when you stack up everything else that it starts getting hairy. If you care about gender, the ratios range from 100% to 1/8. If you care about the ability, you have something like an 80% chance to pass it down from the mother. I forget if that changes if you're passing down 1 of 2 verses 1 of 3 (like with hidden abilities). You can guarantee that a parent passes down its nature by giving it an Everstone, otherwise it's 1/16 to get any specific one. But yeah, even in ideal cases things stack up fast.
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Rainuwastaken posted:On the plus side, you'd only really care about one attacking stat for the vast majority of mons. That means you just have to roll that one unpredictable IV in the stat they don't use, which cuts down the time spent considerably. Alakazam isn't exactly attached to his physical attack. a low attack stat is even helpful for Alakazam in case it gets confused
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Apr 24, 2017 17:52
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It's still an unnecessary and - to me - unfun step. Figuring out what I need is good. Playing with the team is good. Having to grind it out, eeeeeeh I will note that I said EVs and not IVs though. I guess the PokePelago or whatever helps but still.
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Apr 24, 2017 17:57
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Prism posted:It's still an unnecessary and - to me - unfun step. Figuring out what I need is good. Playing with the team is good. Having to grind it out, eeeeeeh Yeah, EVs are actually pretty quick nowdays; between hordes, the awful habit for Sun/Moon pokemon to call reinforcements, and either Super Training (in X/Y/OR/AS) or the Poke Pelago (in Sun/Moon) there's really not nearly as much grind to EVs as there used to be... the problem, instead, is mostly being able to count 252 out of 255, since those last three EVs are wasted. Note that, as far as I know, Uranium has none of these QoL improvements and expect you to grind EVs the hard way, one pokemon at a time... though at least it transparently tells you how many of any given EV you have.
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"Here is exactly how much bullshit you still have to put up with." Question: What happens when you try to use the Pomeg glitch in this game?
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KataraniSword posted:Yeah, EVs are actually pretty quick nowdays; between hordes, the awful habit for Sun/Moon pokemon to call reinforcements, and either Super Training (in X/Y/OR/AS) or the Poke Pelago (in Sun/Moon) there's really not nearly as much grind to EVs as there used to be... the problem, instead, is mostly being able to count 252 out of 255, since those last three EVs are wasted. If memory serves, Sun and Moon cap EVs properly now, so you don't have to track those last few points.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:21
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At least Sun and Moon have Hyper Training, so that you don't need to worry about IVs (outside of for hidden power) for mons you want to use competitively - you can just raise them to 100 normally and then raise all of their effective IVs to maximum with bottlecaps.
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Rainuwastaken posted:If memory serves, Sun and Moon cap EVs properly now, so you don't have to track those last few points. Yeah it's been that way since at least gen 6, possibly gen 5 as well. Caps at 252.
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