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LemonDrizzle posted:I am none of those things, and I think I can just about wrap my head around a tripartite system of government with an executive (the Commission) and two chambers (a Council representing the governments of the member states and a Parliament of directly elected representatives) that can review/amend the executive's proposals. I don't think the regular's of this thread like you and I are in any capacity a representative sample of any electorate.  Also thank you for proving my point. There are in fact two councils. First the European Council, which is seated by the heads of states of the member states and which elects the commission and handles treaties. Then there is the Council of Minsters (which has a formal title that somehow even more confusing, the Council of the European Union), which is seated by the relevant government ministers of member states and is the second legaslative body of the EU (the first being the parliament). Also, if you're ever bored do actually look up the formal process for legislation in the EU. It is by far the most intrusive and over-complicated legislative system in the world (competing with Iran and the US) and it has intentionally been structured in such a way such to neuter the Parliament and Commission's ability to act too independently of the Council of Ministers and European Council. It's almost comical in just how many of the steps in the legislative process a proposal can get shot down or sent backwards for further review. It was intentionally designed to be obtrusive and slow. EDIT: Here's a chart of the relationships between EU institutions. Do note how the only directly elected parts of the systems are the member states own parliaments and the European parliament. Everything else is seated by the representatives of other representatives. 
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Toplowtech posted:Like seriously i have a Palin-level of expectation for Macron's performance at his incoming debate with Lepen and the fuckers are loving pre-cheering Macron victory like they presold the dead bear rug during the Hillary election. You would think they have learned. If there's one thing you should know about american Clinton supporters, it's that they're so arrogant they probably still think Clinton is winning.
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Al-Saqr posted:Putin must be jerking off thunderously in the kremlin knowing that he can trick stupid rubes in democracies as much as he likes. yeah this was definitely putin, every single vote was putin jfc
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Will they even bother having a debate
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Al-Saqr posted:Putin must be jerking off thunderously in the kremlin knowing that he can trick stupid rubes in democracies as much as he likes. All the Russian-directed social media agitation seems to have been directed against Macron. unpacked robinhood posted:"He's such a good looking guy and he sounds reasonable" I like France and I like the French, so I hope for the best for them, and that's certainly not Le Pen. MiddleOne posted:It is by far the most intrusive and over-complicated legislative system in the world (competing with Iran and the US) and it has intentionally been structured in such a way such to neuter the Parliament and Commission's ability to act too independently of the Council of Ministers and European Council. It's almost comical in just how many of the steps in the legislative process a proposal can get shot down or sent backwards for further review. It was intentionally designed to be obtrusive and slow. You mean to say, it's almost comical how much of the European legislative process is subject to the democratic control of member state governments.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I like France and I like the French, so I hope for the best for them, and that's certainly not Le Pen. It's certainly not a pretty-faced banker in a suit either
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Toplowtech posted:Like seriously i have a Palin-level of expectation for Macron's performance at his incoming debate with Lepen and the fuckers are loving pre-cheering Macron victory like they presold the dead bear rug during the Hillary election. You would think they have learned. Here's the thing: Macron is an empty husk filled with neoliberal platitudes, absolutely. But Marine Le Pen is extremely poo poo at debating. She spectacularly unravels any time someone shows even the hint of a spine when contradicting her. Macron is running against a Le Pen. It's the easiest runoff he could possibly hope for. He could gently caress it up, but his handlers have probably done the bare minimum prep work for him to get by.
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TheRat posted:It's certainly not a pretty-faced banker in a suit either I prefer bankers to fascists, sorry.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I prefer bankers to fascists, sorry. Controversial.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I prefer bankers to fascists, sorry. Ironically, I think there may be a third way
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So the general consensus is that Le Pen will lose the run off, of course keeping in mind that the general consensus was that Hillary would defeat Trump, so take it with a grain of salt, yes?
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Its going to be great when Germany is forced to invade France to liberate it from fascism
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I prefer bankers to fascists, sorry. Well good news, you're getting both.
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Fillon coming out for Macron on TV atm. It's over.
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Sky Shadowing posted:So the general consensus is that Le Pen will lose the run off, of course keeping in mind that the general consensus was that Hillary would defeat Trump, so take it with a grain of salt, yes? The only thing you should take with a grain of salt with is people ITT's understanding of statistics and polling.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:You mean to say, it's almost comical how much of the European legislative process is subject to the democratic control of member state governments. Even the worst bicameral parliaments of the world are less convoluted than the EU legislative process.
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this is a remarkably sober and measured speech from Fillon
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TheRat posted:Ironically, I think there may be a third way I can't wait to see it
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Sky Shadowing posted:So the general consensus is that Le Pen will lose the run off, of course keeping in mind that the general consensus was that Hillary would defeat Trump, so take it with a grain of salt, yes?
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QuoProQuid posted:i am going to enjoy watching a fascist get dunked on two weeks from now But the neolib will win so france will continue the lovely course that let the nazis get relatively popular anyway. Another 5 years of neolibs swindling the poor will only boost nazi support
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curried lamb of God posted:this is a remarkably sober and measured speech from Fillon He has been chewing boxes of xanax on a daily basis since January
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Sky Shadowing posted:So the general consensus is that Le Pen will lose the run off, of course keeping in mind that the general consensus was that Hillary would defeat Trump, so take it with a grain of salt, yes? Jesus loving Christ, is this ever going to stop?
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This wont lead to violence at all.
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got any sevens posted:But the neolib will win so france will continue the lovely course that let the nazis get relatively popular anyway. Another 5 years of neolibs swindling the poor will only boost nazi support nah i'm pretty sure neoliberalism will finally resolve the contradictions of capitalism if we give it one more chance
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julian assflange posted:He has been chewing boxes of xanax on a daily basis since January
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Why has Melenchon not endorsed Macron already? Is he secretly supporting LePen?
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GaussianCopula posted:Why has Melenchon not endorsed Macron already? I'm guessing he not so secretly hates them both
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Only Melenchon hasn't come out endorsing anyone yet, right?
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GaussianCopula posted:Why has Melenchon not endorsed Macron already? He is presenting himself in the second round anyway
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GaussianCopula posted:Why has Melenchon not endorsed Macron already? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Sky Shadowing posted:So the general consensus is that Le Pen will lose the run off, of course keeping in mind that the general consensus was that Hillary would defeat Trump, so take it with a grain of salt, yes? France is not America.
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I hope Mélanchon picks up for a few more votes and jumps Fillon just for the laughs
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MiddleOne posted:Even the worst bicameral parliaments of the world are less convoluted than the EU legislative process. Just because it's convoluted does not make it undemocratic per se. Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Jesus loving Christ, is this ever going to stop? No, and you'll get plenty more of it in the upcoming British and German elections!
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400 antifas at the Bastille. And before you start to masturbate furiously, this is customary.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:No, and you'll get plenty more of it in the upcoming British and German elections! But, but, but, is May Clinton or Trump? (She's neither. The answer is neither.)
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Welp, that was dumb. Man with ~24% of the votes is gonna be president of the country for next 5y. Presidential systems are retarded and should be outlawed by the FDA.
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TheRat posted:This wont lead to violence at all.
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