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mcclay posted:What was that Kickstarter for again? I'm guessing their  nation-building program. I'm guessing they may be hiring additional mercenaries as stretch goals.And that they're apparently going the offence, soon. I'm guessing to try and capture that Lithium mine - there's pretty much no better time (well, maybe before their air force was blown to hell), since Dos Santos is focusing on us and if they take it, they will be able to make money hand over fist, since the price of Lithium is so high right now, especially since we are taking mines and can only sell to minor buyers.
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mcclay posted:What was that Kickstarter for again? It's like you people don't even read the intel  Though mildly worrying if they actually succeeded. I wonder how long it'll take us to deplete the world's supply of 1980s-1990s era fighters so that Saab/Boeing/etc have to go reopen their production lines.Also, I'd like to propose a new ROE - if next time Rohan selects more civilian targets we go shoot her rear end down ourselves (even if we have to wait until she's on approach while RTB to avoid getting utterly schooled by the Rafales) and then go hire one of the other operatives. She's so far done nothing except gently caress things up even more. We could probably even spin it into a PR win. Actually just arresting her and stealing her jets would be even better. A mission for our ground crew, perhaps!
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How about we don't attempt to murder Rohan and let her do her thing. I'm honestly all for bombing anything the Dictator has.
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mcclay posted:How about we don't attempt to murder Rohan and let her do her thing. I'm honestly all for bombing anything the Dictator has. Given that she's so far bombed fewer "things the dictator has" and more "representatives of a major American corporation" I really think the thread needs to revisit it's all-in stance.
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Hell no we aren't shooting down or arresting Rohan. She does her thing and we do ours till the operation is over or she meets her poor fiery demise.
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You know, you could just try talking to her and getting her help if you're that gung-ho on bringing home rabid dogs. Ground her until she sees a psychologist or something. She works for us, we have every right to require that. I didn't vote for her (because I'm not big on terror bombing civilian targets for no gain, and I like the idea of having intel instead), but if you guys are that enamored, maybe try and fix her. Otherwise she's just going to end up as the Joker, but in a plane.
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sniper4625 posted:Given that she's so far bombed fewer "things the dictator has" and more "representatives of a major American corporation" I really think the thread needs to revisit it's all-in stance. not sure i see the problem with either 
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Quinntan posted:I think one went down over friendly lines, but I don't know if Yooper is rolling for surviving a shoot down or if he's assuming that a shoot down = death Everyone who is  gets cycled through and is a new pilot eventually. Otherwise we'll run out of Goons.
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I am all for Operation Intervention for Captain Rohan. Unrelated, but we really should look at getting a rotary wing section going to give the ground pounders some hot CSAR action . Quinntan fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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I'm sure that killing rich Americans does, in some small way, contribute to saving the whales so eh I'll let it slide. Rohan doesn't need to be "fixed" or whatever, we just need to find a suitably fanatical cause for her to pour all that anger into supporting.
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Quinntan posted:I am all for Operation Intervention for Captain Rohan. I second Operation Intervention. Her anger is useful, but not if its being used against random targets. Also providing therapy for her sets up a good precedent for later.
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I'll note that the Buccaneers used in similar roles didn't take any casualties  Unfortunately there are only 4 airworthy examples today so probably not a viable choice for future mercs. Also I'd like to go on the pilot roster for whatever, callsign "Drop-Bear" edit: fuuuck, I skipped past all those posts about the Bucc and now I feel stupider than ususal thatbastardken fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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You guys realize that if we kill Rohan, we're just gonna get the terrible drawbacks of one of the other guys instead. There's no way to avoid the downside to any of our agents.
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glynnenstein posted:You guys realize that if we kill Rohan, we're just gonna get the terrible drawbacks of one of the other guys instead. There's no way to avoid the downside to any of our agents. Her downside is that she can potentially have zero upside at all. Also, it was explicitly stated that if we had taken Zack, there would be a mission where we could potentially help him with his mob issues and thus negate his downside. But, whatever makes you feel better about your pet terrorist. 
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thatbastardken posted:I'll note that the Buccaneers used in similar roles didn't take any casualties Four airworthy, but how hard can it be to bring an aircraft that is in taxi-worthy condition to flight-worthy condition?
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Hold up, how is there not a thread on the Reddit about renaming the capital Harambe?
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Quinntan posted:Four airworthy, but how hard can it be to bring an aircraft that is in taxi-worthy condition to flight-worthy condition? Well, with tens of millions of dollars and a casual disregard for "crew safety" and "government" "regulations", not that hard at all.
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None of this would have happened if we had just hired Bogdan and we would have same 4 million. But noooooooooooooo everyone want's to hire the insane ex-Indian Airforce commander who we knew was gonna be a total wild card. We've paid her 6 Million dollars to bomb a bunch of corporate contractors who might have hired us.
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Popete posted:None of this would have happened if we had just hired Bogdan and we would have same 4 million. But noooooooooooooo everyone want's to hire the insane ex-Indian Airforce commander who we knew was gonna be a total wild card. And the processing facilities at the mines we wanted to take in tact. Don't forget that.
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Zaodai posted:Her downside is that she can potentially have zero upside at all. Also, it was explicitly stated that if we had taken Zack, there would be a mission where we could potentially help him with his mob issues and thus negate his downside. I'm sympathetic to the hard life she's lived and the terrible losses she's suffered! Anyone with Anyway, we should consider what it would say to our future potential agents if we start killing them. Perhaps, there is another way. Lets look into hiring PTSD Counselors for Rohan. Maybe a little psych intervention can improve our odds. Also, I am concerned our ground elements are in desperate need of psych services already.
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Popete posted:None of this would have happened if we had just hired Bogdan and we would have same 4 million. But noooooooooooooo everyone want's to hire the insane ex-Indian Airforce commander who we knew was gonna be a total wild card. No one likes a Monday morning quarterback  Besides, I think you might be conflating Bogdan the drill instructor from the Phoenix command thread with Bogan the Crocodile Dundee type from this thread. Edit: glynnenstein posted:Also, I am concerned our ground elements are in desperate need of psych services already. Brother, you don't know the half of it. Popete tried to kill a dude with a rock and they're talking about training up a war bear for breaching duties.
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sparkmaster posted:Hmm, if the Free State can run a kickstarter, can the count run a gofundme for some new airframes for us? Pitch a reality show to Discovery or History channel, their deadliest catch watching Dad-based demographic would eat it up
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Yooper posted:Note, Free State's Kickstarter succeeded. They're into stretch goals now... Wait, Jack Abramof works for Free State now?
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thatbastardken posted:Well, with tens of millions of dollars and a casual disregard for "crew safety" and "government" "regulations", not that hard at all. People were willing to throw millions at worse aircraft, so you never know.
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Cathode Raymond posted:No one likes a Monday morning quarterback Bogdan/Bogan they're all the same. Now excuse me well I go recover from the multiple haymakers I took to the head/neck and clean my War Rock.
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RentACop posted:Pitch a reality show to Discovery or History channel, their deadliest catch watching Dad-based demographic would eat it up I think the the Budweiser Thunderbirds have you beat there... 
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TildeATH posted:Hold up, how is there not a thread on the Reddit about renaming the capital Harambe? Or, shiver, Capital McCapitalface, their current 'hilarious' name for pretty much everything.
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I guess I would like to enlist as pilot finally, as Dandy. Plane doesn't matter (unless we get SLAM EAGLES)
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I think if there's some way to tactfully redirect Rohan's energies to minimise the risk, we should do it, it's just I don't see precisely how. I'd suggest suggesting she take the SK-60s (assuming we had no further utility for them) and start training a Free Angolan Air Force (I'm sure there are a lot of people who'd be willing to try), which would make some sense - I mean, isn't the usual way during WWII that the Allies, rather than keeping their top pilots flying til they died like the Axis, specifically pulled them back into training the upcoming pilots, raising the overall quality? Or alternatively, politely letting her know that while we respect her skills and are willing to largely permit her operational freedom, launching attacks on civilian targets/infrastructure is not something we can stand by and allow in future. And frankly, it's beneath a pilot of her talents. Of course, as great a pilot as Rohan is, she is definitely quite proud (and justifiably so) of her abilities and may well take it as an insult. It could backfire. Badly. Pilots have frequently not really handled mental illness well, especially if it means they might be grounded - there have been several cases where commercial pilots have literally crashed their own aircraft, often killing many innocent people, because they had been concealing mental health issues out of fear they might be grounded. I think in a real sense, being a pilot is bound into here identity, especially considering all the effort and sacrifices she had to make to get to where she was in the Indian Air Force. If we even suggest that we might try and take it away from her? She might not take it well. At all. I mean, I'm not saying we should let this fester, but I don't even know where we would find someone with the right skill set to give her the help she needs. I mean, we should absolutely do what we can, but unless we actually have the expertise, we might only make things worse. We should tread carefully. Zaodai posted:Her downside is that she can potentially have zero upside at all. Also, it was explicitly stated that if we had taken Zack, there would be a mission where we could potentially help him with his mob issues and thus negate his downside. Let's not start eating each other and instead focus on handling the situation that we're in. Also I find it hilarious the guys literally throwing a loving thunderdome to establish their chain of command are judging other people's mental state.
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I'm literally the one who suggested getting her pysch help rather than murdering her to help resolve her terror bombing issues. Yes, I have considered whether there is a way to fix her. I have no idea if the strawman version of me in your head has considered it, you'll have to decide that for yourself.
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Zaodai posted:I'm literally the one who suggested getting her pysch help rather than murdering her to help resolve her terror bombing issues. Yes, I have considered whether there is a way to fix her. I have no idea if the strawman version of me in your head has considered it, you'll have to decide that for yourself. My bad, sorry. I must have gotten you mixed up with someone else (the 'pet terrorist' line didn't help), I didn't mean any offense.
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I'm going to reiterate my praise for this LP, too, Yooper. It's an outstanding production. So, I'm going to effort post what I know about Patrol missions in Command. These are things that I've picked up as a player, so it's probably a bit incomplete compared to what a dev like Baloogan or Dmitris knows. The Angolan theatre is large and freeform enough that we've started to see problems with planes running off halfway across the country to engage targets. We're going to have to define patrol missions better to prevent more losses like our Tornados. There are six types of patrols in Command. Any unit in the game can be assigned to any of the patrols. AAW Patrol -- Anti-Air Warfare ASuW Patrol (Naval) -- Surface ships ASuW Patrol (Ground) -- Land units ASuW Patrol (Mixed) ASW Patrol -- Anti-Submarine Warfare. (AKA "Awfully Slow Warfare.") SEAD Patrol -- Suppression/Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses Sea Control Patrol -- Combination of Naval ASuW and ASW patrols; looks for anything on or under the ocean. Patrol missions need a minimum of two references for a patrol path. Three or more reference points create a patrol area. The patrol area is where units will stick to if they're not investigating or engaging a contact. For ASW patrols, this is the region that they'll zigzag and drop sonobouys in. You can optionally create a prosecution area. If defined, this is the area that units will investigate and engage contacts in. If an unknown contact enters the prosecution area, units will investigate and engage them until they're satisfied. This is what we should have had for our SEAD mission, so our Tornado wouldn't have chased off on a contact way off behind enemy lines. For bonus fanciness, reference points can be set to follow a unit. This way you can have a patrol zone that closely escorts a high value target, but a prosecution zone that covers the entire area you want to cover. There are also two checkboxes in the mission editor that affect behaviour: [ ] Investigate contacts outside the patrol area [ ] Investigate contacts within weapons range I think they're mostly self-explanatory, although I don't know their behaviour in edge cases. If you have a small patrol area and neither box checked, your patrol isn't going to do much. On the other hand, if you do want to contain your planes to a specific area then you'll want to uncheck them. With them checked, planes will chase contacts as far as their fuel will last them, even if it's on the other side of the country. I keep talking about "investigate." What does that mean? Units on patrol will investigate contacts as part of their engagement loop. You'll see their status as "Engaged offensive," even when they're not launching weapons, or even if they can't actually mount any weapons. "Investigating" a contact is really just engaging a target without launching weapons. When a unit is investigating a contact it will get closer and closer, trying to use all its sensors to learn all it can about a contact. It will also try to move into the engagement envelope for its weapons if it has some. When a contact is first discovered, there's very little known about it. Unknown air contacts are "Bogeys," land contacts are "Mobiles," surface contacts are "Skunks," and subsurface contacts are "Goblins." As units learn more about a contact, the classification is refined. First it can classify it as a general unit type, like "Attack, Fighter, or MPA" for air contacts, or "Commercial, Frigate, or Destroyer" for surface contacts. With more information the exact type of unit can be discovered. With more information, units can even discover the name of a ship or submarine. As part of this investigation, eventually units will discover the side of a unit, and thus if that unit is considered neutral or hostile. As soon as a unit is permitted to launch weapons at a contact it will do so. The default ROE is "Weapons Tight," though, so units won't start firing until either they discover that a contact is hostile, or if the contact is marked hostile via other means (by manually classifying it as hostile, or if the contact crosses an exclusion zone). If a unit can't fire weapons for whatever reason, they'll continue to investigate the contact until the contact is fully classified. If a contact is fully classified and they're still prohibited from firing, then the contact is dropped from the target list and they'll continue on with their patrol mission. (If they can't fire on the contact for other reasons, like if their altitude is manually set to outside the weapon's engagement envelope, then they'll keep trying to engage the target.) I think that this investigate->engage behavior is pretty neat. It means you don't have to micromanage Vietnam-style engagement rules like "only fire on contacts positively identified as hostile" -- the units will do that automatically. You can assign an unarmed maritime patrol aircraft to a Naval ASuW patrol over a crowded shipping channel and it will automatically look at every surface contact to see if it's a civilian boat or a terrorist weapons smuggler. The disadvantage is that units aren't very smart about when not to investigate a contact. If you see a blob of ships that you know is a hostile surface action group with guided anti-air missiles, I don't know of an easy way to tell units to back off. Even if you set the contacts to hostile, your guys still want to get close enough to classify the contact. They turn into the groggiest nerds ever: "I want to see if it's a a DDG-99a, or a DDG-99b! Ooh, is she the Svetlana Rostov? I wanna see!" They won't care if their buddies in the other unarmed MPA were just shot down by that very unit. I think this fully explains why our first Tornado was shot down. Somehow they caught a whiff of that SA-13 as it turned on its search radar. Since they were on a SEAD patrol, this meant it was a valid target to try to investigate and engage, and so they kept trying to fly closer to check it out. The problem is that the radar on a Strela-10 vehicle is a dinky little search radar that the HARM can't even lock on to. The Strela-10 is also modeled as being a tiny little camouflaged thing that's very hard to pick out visually (in the database its visual classification range is a minuscule 0.2 miles!). Mobius and Pegasus kept circling it, squinting at it and trying to figure out what it was, but it was too hard for their Mk. 1 Eyeballs to pick out in time. For future SEAD and CAP missions I think we're going to have to add prosecution areas. A prosecution area limiting the SEAD mission would have leashed Mobius-Pegasus and stopped them from going off on a wild goose chase. We're also going to have to assign planes with good A2G ordnance and sensors, like a Phantom with laser-guided bombs, to SEAD missions, and Yooper might have to manually intervene to get them to launch on sneaky things like a Strela-10. The air escort missions should also have prosecution areas that cover only the areas we want them to focus on. Rackham flight (the easternmost CAP) could have had a prosecution area that covered a big bubble around the "Mechanized Push" objective, but didn't cross the front line on the western half of the AO. This way they wouldn't have engaged bandits on the western half of the country and left the eastern strike force on their own, unless bandits in the west had started to really push across the front line. A zone restricting Blackbeard flight (the westernmost CAP) wouldn't have been as important, but it still could have a mirror image of Rackham, mostly covering the western half of the AO. Buccaneer flight (general CAP) could have had the largest prosecution area, one that aggressively covered the entire front line, but not extended more than halfway through Angola so they won't interfere between skirmishes between the Dictator and the Free State.
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RentACop posted:Pitch a reality show to Discovery or History channel, their deadliest catch watching Dad-based demographic would eat it up This week on Discovery's Fortune and Glory, the aftermath of last week's bloody border skirmish. SMARF reels from the loss of their front line fighters, putting a huge dent in their profit margins and causing tension with their clients. FREE STATE REP: I kept saying they should be flying YF-21s but they kept saying those aren't real. Which is just proof of the conspiracy to hide protoculture technology from the masses, I've detailed it in my 12 part YouTube series- Meanwhile in the heart of Angola, government forces adjust to the new status quo. ANGOLAN SOLDIER (VOICE AND FACE DISTORTED): having to walk past the severed head of our former CO every time I go to the toilet is really not helping morale put here... Finally, despite their recent victories the rogue actions of one of their contractors has tensions on the rise in the Hired Goons. When the stakes are high and the profit margins even harder, Fortune and Glory await those brave mercenary companies that chase it. Thursdays on Discovery. (Phone posting so forgive format issues)
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Renaissance Spam posted:This week on Discovery's Fortune and Glory, the aftermath of last week's bloody border skirmish. Id watch it
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A pitch to discovery channel on a series just focusing on us could dramatically improve our company valuation. We could use the money too.
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Renaissance Spam posted:FREE STATE REP: I kept saying they should be flying YF-21s but they kept saying those aren't real. Which is just proof of the conspiracy to hide protoculture technology from the masses, I've detailed it in my 12 part YouTube series- I was far more amused by this bit than I think I should have been.
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Dr. Snark posted:I was far more amused by this bit than I think I should have been. Amazingly enough, there actually is an F-21. It's what US Navy Aggressor squadrons called the Kfirs in their service--F-21 Lion.
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Can this be our new anthem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv1ZN8c4_Gs
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chitoryu12 posted:Can this be our new anthem? Psh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbIGuLXCziU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY5ogQ-kZrY e: Calling dibs on a transfer to any waterside cello player commands that come up in the future. What is the insignia for the rank of First Chair?
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