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Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Mystic Knights of the Alt-Right Klan

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

Can't wait to roll a new character for this sick campaign!

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Agag posted:

Can't wait to roll a new character for this sick campaign!

I think this a F.A.T.A.L. campaign friend, good luck

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


sneakyfrog posted:

I think this a F.A.T.A.L. campaign friend, good luck
Roll 1d00

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004


D&D 6th edition lookin' good.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

lol. its like if Himmler and Herman Goering solely the nazis.

the black husserl
Feb 25, 2005

The nazis were way worse about being insufferably nerdy cosplayers and they successfully killed millions of gay jew communists so I'm not on board with yall blanket dismissing these alt-knight fuckheads just because they're xtra fuckheaded about it.

It's only a matter of time before one of these shitlords goes full Breivik and things won't be funny anymore after that.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

they're literally all beggars

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

the black husserl posted:

The nazis were way worse about being insufferably nerdy cosplayers and they successfully killed millions of gay jew communists so I'm not on board with yall blanket dismissing these alt-knight fuckheads just because they're xtra fuckheaded about it.

It's only a matter of time before one of these shitlords goes full Breivik and things won't be funny anymore after that.

How quickly you've forgotten about Dylan Storm Roof.

Also, the Nazis were an organized movement of thugs who cosplayed in slick uniforms designed by one of history's greatest fashionistas. Meanwhile the alt-right bully boys just throw on whatever and look like football fans.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 03:05 on Apr 24, 2017

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

the black husserl posted:

The nazis were way worse about being insufferably nerdy cosplayers and they successfully killed millions of gay jew communists so I'm not on board with yall blanket dismissing these alt-knight fuckheads just because they're xtra fuckheaded about it.

It's only a matter of time before one of these shitlords goes full Breivik and things won't be funny anymore after that.

There has already been violence and there is definitely going to be more. I'm not sure our culture has the capacity to actually care about violence anymore, beyond short-term political exploitation. But that's a problem bigger than these marginal freaks.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

How quickly you've forgotten about Dylan Storm Roof.

Also, the Nazis were an organized movement of thugs who cosplayed in slick uniforms designed by one of history's greatest fashionistas.

Wow. I didn't know that.

Hugo Boss.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Agag posted:

There has already been violence and there is definitely going to be more. I'm not sure our culture has the capacity to actually care about violence anymore, beyond short-term political exploitation. But that's a problem bigger than these marginal freaks.

yeah thats my fear, that there will be someone with actual charisma for them all to start rallying around. people forget during the 5 or so months that hitler was in jail for the putche, the nazis almost died, he was the only thing holding them together, once he got out he reinvented the whole thing. what worries me is that one of these dumb gently caress con men or "racial realists" has some charisma and sees how far they can take this thing.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah thats my fear, that there will be someone with actual charisma for them all to start rallying around. people forget during the 5 or so months that hitler was in jail for the putche, the nazis almost died, he was the only thing holding them together, once he got out he reinvented the whole thing. what worries me is that one of these dumb gently caress con men or "racial realists" has some charisma and sees how far they can take this thing.

What makes you think it'll be a right winger? :getin:

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

spacetoaster posted:

What makes you think it'll be a right winger? :getin:

do you see any left wing people rallying crowds to do dumb things?

as far as i can tell it starts and ends with a podcast haha

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Baloogan posted:

do you see any left wing people rallying crowds to do dumb things?

as far as i can tell it starts and ends with a podcast haha

I thought the punch nazi crowds were left wingers? Perhaps they were the right wingers all along?

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

Baloogan posted:

do you see any left wing people rallying crowds to do dumb things?

as far as i can tell it starts and ends with a podcast haha


Those antifa kids are out there mixing it up, and good for them, but someone is going to empty an AR-15 into them any day now.

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

yeah but his point is that there's not a leader. left wing people (understandably) distrust hierarchies, but this creates a real problem in being effective.

its like adam curtis says in that interview baloogan posted everywhere last night

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

spacetoaster posted:

What makes you think it'll be a right winger? :getin:

because the wokes and the liberals are too busy being dumb didactic clowns about various stupid poo poo and there arnt enough lefties.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

spacetoaster posted:

I thought the punch nazi crowds were left wingers? Perhaps they were the right wingers all along?

any leaders gibbering into youtube every day?

The_Politics_Man
Aug 25, 2015
I also think Sargon's large pedantic rear end will be the new leader of fascism

The_Politics_Man
Aug 25, 2015
xXKulakSlayer42069Xx is the hero we need not the hero we deserve

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Dapper_Swindler posted:

what worries me is that one of these dumb gently caress con men or "racial realists" has some charisma

I wouldn't hold my breath

milo was the closest thing they've had to a charismatic figurehead, and he's such an ignorant vacillating clown and comes off as such a loving weirdo to normies that his internal takedown by the right was a matter of time

it seems like every single other major figure in the movement so far is either too ugly and awkward, too much of a pedantic dork, or too transparently evil to attract real, lasting support outside their core

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
you kinda need to be very very damaged and imperfect to be involved in the movement

because if you're likable, personable, and good looking, you should have enough self esteem to not be a complete fuckin moron

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer
The alt right is so wildly misanthropic at its core that the moment someone starts developing an individual identity outside of the screechpile half of the others will turn on them.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Bushiz posted:

The alt right is so wildly misanthropic at its core that the moment someone starts developing an individual identity outside of the screechpile half of the others will turn on them.

logikv9 posted:

you kinda need to be very very damaged and imperfect to be involved in the movement

because if you're likable, personable, and good looking, you should have enough self esteem to not be a complete fuckin moron


both of these. they also all hate each other(as well as themselves on differing levels). that and social progressive ideals are relatively deeply entrenched in society or at least enough that very few people want to genuinly join up with a bunch of hosed up misanthrope idiots whos entire political ideals came from poo poo posting on 4chan/reddit.


resar posted:

I also think Sargon's large pedantic rear end will be the new leader of fascism

ehh. he doesnt have enough personalty and he doesn't believe in all of it 100%.


wizard on a water slide posted:

I wouldn't hold my breath

milo was the closest thing they've had to a charismatic figurehead, and he's such an ignorant vacillating clown and comes off as such a loving weirdo to normies that his internal takedown by the right was a matter of time

it seems like every single other major figure in the movement so far is either too ugly and awkward, too much of a pedantic dork, or too transparently evil to attract real, lasting support outside their core


i think your right.

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014
Its not dangerous as a political movement, I think we all agree. The dangers are the Dylan Roof freaks shooting random people, and maybe a slight drift of "acceptable" political discourse to include overt white supremacism, which, to be fair, was only "unacceptable" for about 30 years.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven
Hitler wasn't exactly good looking or charismatic(at first), none of the OG Nazis where. They were all too short, or too fat, or misshapen and hosed up one way or another. It wasn't until the second gen Nazis that Hitler and his gently caress faces started to get the ubermench they wish they could be into their movement. Popular happy people don't want to be radicals of any stripe... Winners hate chaos.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Montasque posted:

Hitler wasn't exactly good looking or charismatic(at first), none of the OG Nazis where. They were all too short, or too fat, or misshapen and hosed up one way or another. It wasn't until the second gen Nazis that Hitler and his gently caress faces started to get the ubermench they wish they could be into their movement. Popular happy people don't want to be radicals of any stripe... Winners hate chaos.

true, but it took about 10 years for them to get into power and most of that was outside factors and dickhead conservatives thinking they could be controlled or the liberals/socialists doing nothing. plus 3 massive economic crisis. thing is trump is already in power and is doing a lovely job.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Dapper_Swindler posted:

true, but it took about 10 years for them to get into power and most of that was outside factors and dickhead conservatives thinking they could be controlled or the liberals/socialists doing nothing. plus 3 massive economic crisis. thing is trump is already in power and is doing a lovely job.

I just don't see the American people going full Hitler, ever, too much commitment.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Montasque posted:

Hitler wasn't exactly good looking or charismatic(at first), none of the OG Nazis where. They were all too short, or too fat, or misshapen and hosed up one way or another. It wasn't until the second gen Nazis that Hitler and his gently caress faces started to get the ubermench they wish they could be into their movement. Popular happy people don't want to be radicals of any stripe... Winners hate chaos.

Without at all meaning to contradict your larger point that by and large the party elites were fuckups and vindictive morons, in the interest of historical accuracy I should mention that while by the 1930s he was going to seed, Goering was considered quite a looker in his prime, what with having been a dashing air ace and all.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Without at all meaning to contradict your larger point that by and large the party elites were fuckups and vindictive morons, in the interest of historical accuracy I should mention that while by the 1930s he was going to seed, Goering was considered quite a looker in his prime, what with having been a dashing air ace and all.

True, but he became a real fat piece of poo poo baby Huey looking mother fucker by the time they came to power.

Being around all that beta stench in Nazi high command really fucks people up.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Agag posted:

Its not dangerous as a political movement, I think we all agree. The dangers are the Dylan Roof freaks shooting random people, and maybe a slight drift of "acceptable" political discourse to include overt white supremacism, which, to be fair, was only "unacceptable" for about 30 years.

yeah, the drift of discourse further right and toward the greater normalization of white nationalism is my concern; as pointed out occasionally itt things like the use of gamergate as cause celebre for the alt-lite have formed a strange marriage between neo-fascists and buffoons who make their living entertaining children like pewds

like milo or spencer isn't a danger unto themselves, and they'll never achieve political power of any kind if they even wanted to, but the people who keep inviting them to college campuses are college republican clubs who are exactly the kind of people who will be ruining local politics in red states in 20 years

Baku has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Apr 24, 2017

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Montasque posted:

True, but he became a real fat piece of poo poo baby Huey looking mother fucker by the time they came to power.

Being around all that beta stench in Nazi high command really fucks people up.

By most accounts it's getting hooked on morphine when in hospital following the Munich putsch that really sent him into a downward spiral that he never managed to get out of, only ever getting clean when in prison after the war, by which time he was taking so many pill each morning it took him at least a week to even notice that his US Army jailers had been reducing the dose by one pill each day.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Darkman Fanpage posted:

let the lich queen speak

what if ....

and hear me out on this

we heard her out

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

wizard on a water slide posted:

but the people who keep inviting them to college campuses are college republican clubs who are exactly the kind of people who will be ruining local politics in red states in 20 years


This is a good point. I'm not sure whether to be horrified by a future generation of khaki-and-blazer young republicans who are secret nazis but know how to hide it taking over the American right, or relieved by because that's what we have now so at worst its more of the same.

DeepDickPizza
Oct 11, 2012

THREE TIME! THREE TIME!
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/856281250910392324

The replies to this are pretty amazing.

https://twitter.com/LifecoachNV16/status/856287742019371009

https://twitter.com/jimpfaff/status/856282900286902273

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



Pillbug
I'm actually kind of interested in seeing what's going to happen when alt-righters become old enough to be actual politicians. One of the biggest things keeping the alt-right from gaining any mainstream traction is that it's so misanthropic, impenetrable, and openly toxic to anyone who isn't already a 4chan poster in their 20's. The GOP's voter base skews so old that I feel like the average GOP voter would look at the way an alt-righter speaks, looks, and markets themselves and just go "what is this poo poo" even if they're not politically far from each other. Even if they try to hide their connections and run as a "normal" politician, it seems like it would be trivially easy to derail someone's campaign by digging up stupid poo poo their posted on the internet like Pepe Hitler memes or what have you

The massive culture gap between people who grew up on the internet and those who didn't is so wide that there's going to be an entire generation of politicians who are going to run into this problem. Same thing on the left but less so, if just because the chapo left isn't running on a pro-genocide platform

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
whats jontron up to these days after his massive gently caress up

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
people tend to underestimate how massively hosed up weimar germany was.

the nazis grew their numbers from the demobilized freikorps which had just a few years prior put down communist uprisings in major german cities. like to the point of shelling munich with artillery + thousands of people being killed etc.

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