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TheKingofSprings posted:We know the format is going to look like the previous format with one new set stapled on. No sets are leaving, cat combo stays, Gideon stays. Manglehorn and the Curse both shut down the Cat Combo and Mardu is just a goodstuff deck...
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mcmagic posted:Manglehorn and the Curse both shut down the Cat Combo and Mardu it just a goodstuff deck... Wasn't the enchantment terrible with dealing with cat combo in the previous season?
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Apr 24, 2017 18:04
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ShaneB posted:https://www.isleofcards.com/magic-the-gathering-beginner-guide I'll get started on that article and let you know what I think, thanks.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:06
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Deified Data posted:Strictly casual games with friends/I think collecting WH40K minis is a worthwhile use of my money you just missed the pre-release which is like, aces for casual play
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Apr 24, 2017 18:06
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mcmagic posted:Manglehorn and the Curse both shut down the Cat Combo and Mardu is just a goodstuff deck... Both pieces of the cat combo do other things with other cards in the deck so all it does is shut down the combo without accruing advantage. Plus they can just as easily shoot it down and keep right on going. E: Hell, you can't even play that card while an Oath of Chandra is on the table, they'll happily just flicker it with the Cat and get to comboing. TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 18:05
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Deified Data posted:Strictly casual games with friends/I think collecting WH40K minis is a worthwhile use of my money So besides what I said in my earlier post, the general way I would tell anyone totally new to the game and didn't already have friends who played would be: 1) Determine how you will actually enjoy the game. EDH/Commander is a hugely popular casual format because it allows you to express yourself in your deck design, play a deck you like to play, and enjoy power-creeping your way up with your friends. "Oh man, Jennifer has this powerful Wrath of God in her deck now? I will have to get something like that for my deck now to compete." However, you can play casual standard and modern with budget decks just as easily, without the long multiplayer games of Commander. If you think that you will enjoy the game by playing in competitive events at stores and win prizes, you will have to learn more about the "metagame" (what decks are good in a format, essentially) and spend a lot more money to compete. 2) Learn the game by reading introduction articles like the one I posted, and buying/playing pre-constructed decks. 3) Modify pre-constructed decks, or look for budget list resources like MTGgoldfish. 4) After you all understand the game well enough, play "Limited" (booster draft) with 6-8 people. You now are playing the best and most pure and true version of the game. Never look back.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:06
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I think the Standard non-bans kind of solidifies the theory someone posted in here the other day: when you think about decisions WOTC makes about this game, assume they're only considering the dumbest motherfucker on the planet. You know, some dipshit kitchen table player who doesn't even have a DCI number who is mad about the value of his Saheelis.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:09
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Deified Data posted:I'll get started on that article and let you know what I think, thanks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmiybB0kLsE This is a pretty worthwhile watch as well.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:11
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Sickening posted:Wasn't the enchantment terrible with dealing with cat combo in the previous season? It was a bad card you played to deal with it. The best way to fight the combo were Shock and Walking Ballista. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 18:13
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mcmagic posted:Manglehorn and the Curse both shut down the Cat Combo and Mardu is just a goodstuff deck... The curse might end up being good but Manglehorn seems pretty trivial for a Saheeli deck to get off the board
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Apr 24, 2017 18:14
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So honest question here, how does cat combo deal with Authority of the Consuls? Unless I'm missing something, doesn't it just shut their whole combo down?
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Apr 24, 2017 18:17
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mcmagic posted:It was a bad card you played to deal with it. The best way to fight to combo were Shock and Walking Ballista. Isn't that what the curse is?
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Apr 24, 2017 18:15
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For all its numerous warts, I found Magic Duels on Steam to be a decent introduction to the mechanics of the game.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:18
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poorlywrittennovel posted:So honest question here, how does cat combo deal with Authority of the Consuls? Unless I'm missing something, doesn't it just shut their whole combo down? They either board in Fragmentize in expectation of that or they just shrug and play the value plan with you having gone down a card to prevent dying out of nowhere
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Apr 24, 2017 18:18
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If I used Stinging Shot to put 3 -1/-1 counters on Heart of Kiran while it's crewed, do the counters fall off at the end of the turn when it loses creature status?
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Apr 24, 2017 18:20
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Sickening posted:Isn't that what the curse is? Yes but Manglehorn isn't bad.
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TheKingofSprings posted:"Standard is still hosed" = handwringing, gotcha gently caress all those tryhards who give a poo poo about a product they (presumably) spend money on. sit on my Facebook posted:The curse might end up being good but Manglehorn seems pretty trivial for a Saheeli deck to get off the board Manglehorn is a comically bad way to answer the combo. If you are putting Manglehorn in your deck against the combo you're probably loving up. It does actual nothing against Saheeli but stop the combo. It's not the same thing as playing an Eidolon of Rhetoric against a Storm player; they can kill you some way other than the combo and they can remove your Manglehorn. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 18:21
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mcmagic posted:Yes but Manglehorn isn't bad. Manglehorn is much, much better as tech vs. Mardu Vehicles than it is vs. Saheeli. If you're not hitting an artifact it's probably not worth playing.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:22
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:If I used Stinging Shot to put 3 -1/-1 counters on Heart of Kiran while it's crewed, do the counters fall off at the end of the turn when it loses creature status?
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Apr 24, 2017 18:21
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Deified Data posted:Strictly casual games with friends/I think collecting WH40K minis is a worthwhile use of my money Ask to borrow a deck and play one night so you can get a feel for what everyone's into, there's a vast difference between ppl who just open packs here and there, ppl who do that and occasionally go online to a local shop or a specific card they're missing, and people who play top tier in whatever format. If your friends are playing top tier modern (or Legacy lmao) decks then you'll just want to borrow decks for a bit I'm sure, but if they're playing with budget decks you can probably just grab a duel deck or a budget deck from mtggoldfish for p cheap
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Apr 24, 2017 18:23
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:If I used Stinging Shot to put 3 -1/-1 counters on Heart of Kiran while it's crewed, do the counters fall off at the end of the turn when it loses creature status? No. The counters will still exist. It's the reason why Raging Ravine (a land) has the effect it does.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:24
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do u believe in marigolds posted:No. The counters will still exist. It's the reason why Raging Ravine (a land) has the effect it does. It's also why This weird card from Mirage is able to work..
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Apr 24, 2017 18:27
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Okay thanks. Thought so, but figured I'd double check.
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vegetables posted:It's also why This weird card from Mirage is able to work.. Sweet combo with Opalescence
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Apr 24, 2017 18:33
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Or for a more recent relevant example, Untethered Express keeps its +1/+1 counters when not crewed.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:35
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The best example is still Raging Ravine.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:40
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Posting poo poo that some hack slapped her name on is bad and you should feel bad.
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Mikujin posted:Posting poo poo that some hack slapped her name on is bad and you should feel bad. 
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Mikujin posted:Posting poo poo that some hack slapped her name on is bad and you should feel bad. Why would I give a poo poo who is mentioned on a meme of all things?
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Frankly I'm not even convinced that Manglehorn is a good card against Vehicles either. It's good if you shoot down Heart of Kiran but then you have once again spent three mana to answer their two mana threat which is the whole reason it's so hard to beat Vehicles in the first place; it's virtually impossible to be more efficient than them. If it were like a 1/4 or something I'd be more interested but as is it can't beat any of their guys in combat, it's worthless in combat after they have a Gideon emblem, it's likely to trade down in mana. Bleh
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sit on my Facebook posted:Frankly I'm not even convinced that Manglehorn is a good card against Vehicles either. It's good if you shoot down Heart of Kiran but then you have once again spent three mana to answer their two mana threat which is the whole reason it's so hard to beat Vehicles in the first place; it's virtually impossible to be more efficient than them. If it were like a 1/4 or something I'd be more interested but as is it can't beat any of their guys in combat, it's worthless in combat after they have a Gideon emblem, it's likely to trade down in mana. Bleh You spent 3 mana to answer it and leave behind a 2/2 with a static ability (which is of admittedly limited relevance). Manglehorn is a great card against Artifact decks. Sickening posted:Why would I give a poo poo who is mentioned on a meme of all things? I have no idea why her existence is so polarizing to internet nerds. Oh wait, yes I do. A healthy mix of thirst, people upset over the thirsty people, misogyny, and guilt by association. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Vehicles is only just barely an artifact deck though, isn't it? Don't most lists have like 7-9 artifacts? 4 being Scrapheap Scrounger, which is not really meaningfully answered by the 'horn
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sit on my Facebook posted:Vehicles is only just barely an artifact deck though, isn't it? Don't most lists have like 7-9 artifacts? 4 being Scrapheap Scrounger, which is not really meaningfully answered by the 'horn Usually 4 hearts, 4 scrapheap, 4 ballistas (if they are playing the more midrange version) Also got to make sure those clues come into play tapped.
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pretty hosed up that wizards thought doomsday was too good and killed it in legacy
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Angry Grimace posted:You spent 3 mana to answer it and leave behind a 2/2 with a static ability (which is of admittedly limited relevance). Manglehorn is a great card against Artifact decks. I had to google who it was. Has she featured Alex in anything she has ever done MTG wise? What has she ever done that people are upset about besides date someone they don't like?
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Sickening posted:"We have not seen the movement in the format we had hoped for with the Grand Prix in the latter half of the season, but we still believe we need to gather more data—particularly with an eye toward the effect of Amonkhet on the Pro Tour" It has nothing to do with gathering data. That is the bullshit they say when they mean "we desperately hope that the collective playerbase finds a way out of this mess for us because more bans are going to erode consumer confidence badly." It probably won't happen but they want to let the format have a shot of pulling up for the loving dive it is in now.
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sit on my Facebook posted:Vehicles is only just barely an artifact deck though, isn't it? Don't most lists have like 7-9 artifacts? 4 being Scrapheap Scrounger, which is not really meaningfully answered by the 'horn Ideally you're blowing up a Heart and trading with a Scrounger, which is more than enough value for 3 mana. Even if you kill a Scrounger and then trade with it again, its a good deal. The body isn't big but having 2 power means it does meaningfully block some of their aggressive plays. And sure, an opponent can theoretically can kill Manglehorn, but it isn't likely they're going to spend a card on killing a 2/2 with a relatively marginal static ability.
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I'm just still mad they didn't even give Smuggler's Copter a god drat chance in a format with Fatal Push. Then Manglehorn was also in their list of Things They're Printing.
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Yah that's true. I forgot about Ballista being a thing in it now too.
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