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Some for planes, some for boats. Why don't we combine the two? http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/2366/
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I do not care what we buy as long as we get that AC-130 and I can be in it, callsign God. Ever since I was a teenager I've sexually identified as an AC-130, and this is my chance to finally be free. Free to take off, fly in circles slowly, and absolutely gently caress up anyone's day on the ground. Do we know if it's an AC-130U Spooky with the 40mm Gatling, the 40mm Bofors, and the 105? Or is it the AC-130J Ghostrider which trades the 40mm Gatling for a 30mm autocannon and the bofors for a large assortment of LGBs and ATGMs? OOC: I'd be fine in the B-1 or B-52 as well since someone else beat me to calling the Gunship a few pages ago. Also, can we get any rocket boosters for short runway takeoff and landing on the AC-130's? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97rSobuKBxI Or this one but not the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etzqmtYcpCQ
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Apr 24, 2017 17:52
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 So here's the nuts of it. The Director for the Lithium Consortium has a few friends in De Beers. Friends who told him where to find a certain diamond shipment. If that diamond shipment should happen to get blown up, these people in De Beers, and the Director, would be very happy. They don't want it captured. They don't want it to survive. The diamonds must disappear. Diamonds are all about scarcity and Dos Santos is upsetting the cart by mining a shitload. If we can blow it up we'll get our payment back to normal and a lithium stipend. We can choose not to and stick to planned mission. The Bulgarians are locking horns with the 3rd, 5th, and 19th Regiments west of Menongue. The line is holding but they can really use some CAS. Our contacts haven't located the SAM battery, but it's definitely not the latest model, likely Bulgarian stock from the end of the Cold War. On the downside we've got at least one Tunguska travelling with it.  Monongue isn't ready for aircraft yet. As far as enemy forces we can expect the remnants of the Sultan's First and maybe some F16's from the Dictator along with whatever else survived the previous mission. Questions? Comments? That was a voice actor and not Polly, he did a damned good job and gave me three different voices Let's get those  coming! We'll vote once we've got a few. So for now, it's brainstorm time.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:06
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It's going to take me a while to come up with an actual plan, but I'm going to propose that we DO NOT attack the diamond convoy, for reasons both operational (sending aircraft over unsecured areas with S-300s and Tunguskas around will lose us more in aircraft than we get in payments) and moral (gently caress de Beers, synthetic diamonds for life, yo!).
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Apr 24, 2017 18:18
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The Tunguska is nasty. It's presence would make striking with the Frogfoots alone possibly disastrous. It won't need a jamming aircraft, but HARM birds would be useful if we can get them to turn their radar on. Losing the signal on a moving vehicle would be a wasted HARM though... If we can single it out, a Gripen with SDBs may be the best. Manpads would be a potentially big threat to low altitude attacks too.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:19
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I only remember Tunguskas from the Wargame series, and man were they a trip there. 
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Apr 24, 2017 18:21
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Tunguska is with the SAM's, not with the Diamonds.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:26
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Yooper posted:Tunguska is with the SAM's, not with the Diamonds. Doesn't matter. Flying around that far behind the main line of resistance is how we lost one of our Tornadoes last mission. I don't want a repeat of that.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:28
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I say ignore the diamond convoy. It could be a trap to lure us into some nasty AA, and beyond that gently caress the de Beers and their artificial scarcity. E: Yeah, what Davin says.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:27
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Tunguskas, part Shilka, part short range SAM and all certain dead for CAS planes. These bad boys would have no problem with plane's like SK60's, Hawk's and frogfoots. I would recommend taking them out with Mavericks or SDB's before cleaning up the rest.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:28
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Could we at least send out our Reaper w/ Gorgon pods to look at the convoy/surrounding area before we decide what to do about the diamond strike? I certainly understand how risky it is, but we got that UAV for situations like this one. Hell, given how effective the pods are it might be able to do that and recon the Bulgarian division at the same time.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:30
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Well, the way I see it, we have the fairly direct primary objective of blunting the Bulgarian advance/punching a hole for our own counterattack. Then we have three clear secondaries: support the West, support the East, and obviously, hit that diamond convoy. I daresay that the convoy is something of a no-brainer, since we will already clear a lane of AAA to hit the Bulgarians anyway. Although I'm sure those with greater experience in military matters may disagree. The question will be - can we also support the flanks? Do we split our focus and try to hit both, or focus on one flank and really hammer them?
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Apr 24, 2017 18:30
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We know the location of the diamond shipment. It's just a truck, and some technicals with 12.7mm's.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:32
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Yooper posted:We know the location of the diamond shipment. It's just a truck, and some technicals with 12.7mm's. Truck, meet cruise missile. Cruise missile, meet truck.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:36
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Bacarruda posted:Truck, meet cruise missile. Cruise missile, meet truck. Yeah if this is all it takes to redeem Rohan's little jaunt, seems something we should definitely look into.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:43
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I'd say roughly: 1: Prowler and the surviving Tornadoes go big game hunting for radars. Take half the Gripens with SDBs. Hope to hell we can saturate the thing. Maybe send those nigh-useless Sperwers out there to spot or make it waste a few more missiles and give away its position in the process. 2: Remaining Gripens and half of the Phantoms on CAP. Hopefully we shot down enough of the enemy fighters that we'll be clearer this time. 3: Once the SAM is neutralized, send up the remaining Phantoms (2000lbs), Hawks (Mavericks), and Frogfeet (the FAB500s seemed fine I guess) with the Reaper to gently caress up that front line. 4: Move the Reaper up (covered by the Prowler's jamming) to spot the diamonds and have the SK60s take it out. If we fail to neutralize the SAM (and escorts) then abort and rearm to try again. No way in hell should we send anything up with that thing active.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:42
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Bacarruda posted:Truck, meet cruise missile. Cruise missile, meet truck. This.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:42
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If you're firing cruise missiles at the convoy you're not dropping bombs on the Bulgarians/punching a hole in the east for the Rangers. We'll have all the money in the world to play with once we start advancing and capturing more lithium/cities. Plus, do we actually have any anti-vehicle cruise missiles? All I see in the inventory are anti-radiation missiles and anti-shipping missiles, nothing that can hit a moving truck.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:44
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I say we pass word of the diamond convoy on to our groundpounders and let them grab it. It should be just what the accountant ordered as far as improving their finances. Also that we use our El Cheapo drones to designate targets for our aircraft and try to bait either the Tunguska or the SA-20 into firing on them. And that we pick up the bomb trucks. A B-1 and B-52 would be lovely. The AC-130 we get as a present for our footsloggers. We also might want to invest in more ground crew, although I'm not sure how CMANO would represent that. At the very least, having a military bulldozer and some engineers to loan to the Count would speed up the repairs at Menongue.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:46
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I think we can get the diamond shipment, and we can get it quite easily, so long as we are crafty buggers. We have our Prowler for this sort of work, pair it with a pair of A2A Gripens because it can't defend itself, and we can jam the hell out of their S300. Meanwhile, four more Grips as CAP over the front line while the rest of our force runs train on their troops. Erieye in the back to watch for bandits and perhaps help pinpoint that S-300 site, and we send up our tankers too. SK60s get to mess up the convoy with their rockets, there's 72 of them and they're only hitting soft targets, it's bound to be good enough.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:51
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The Sandman posted:I say we pass word of the diamond convoy on to our groundpounders and let them grab it. It should be just what the accountant ordered as far as improving their finances. The mission is explicitly to destroy it. They don't want those diamonds on the market.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:55
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I repeat, all of you proposing to go after the diamond truck with Sk60Bs are proposing to send non-air-to-air equipped trainers deep into enemy territory where not only an S-300 and Tunguska battery reside, but also a number of F-16s and possible Su-27s from the Sultan's First. It's a suicide mission!
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Apr 24, 2017 18:55
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Bacarruda posted:Or worse, a South Efrican I've been waiting for this video to pop up since we headed to Angola. Actually on that not I learned there's a huge contingent of my family based in South Africa (My tree turns out to be a bunch of Canadians, a bunch of South Africans and a couple Scots who wouldn't leave when everyone else did). Of course first thing that popped up when I heard that was the song. Then I learned my Great Uncle (I think) ran the first mixed congregation in Cape Town. So there's another nice South Efrican for you. Renaissance Spam fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 18:57
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Seriously. We've been straight up told that AA defenses have been beefed up on our side, and the F-16's are coming out to play. Anything other than a heavily escorted mission or some kind of cruise missile isn't going to do the job without unacceptable losses. Let's focus on the ground troops and targets of opportunity first, and see what we have left to go after the diamonds.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:00
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Davin Valkri posted:I repeat, all of you proposing to go after the diamond truck with Sk60Bs are proposing to send non-air-to-air equipped trainers deep into enemy territory where not only an S-300 and Tunguska battery reside, but also a number of F-16s and possible Su-27s from the Sultan's First. It's a suicide mission! Good. If they want to be foolish, then the best way to learn is punishing those moves when made brutally and totally. Lhasa has made people ignorant to the actual vulnerability of our older aircraft.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:01
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I'm entirely aware of just how vulnerable they are. I didn't suggest we use any of the aircraft we have that are worth a drat to go after those trucks, after all!
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Apr 24, 2017 19:03
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There is also the option of keeping eyes on with our drone and having our Convoy Strike package bugging the gently caress out and retasking elsewhere the exact instant we spot anything dangerous to said strike package. edit: Yooper, is the Blackbird pictured earlier available/hireable for untouchable height live recon? I know it probably isn't actually, but I have a disgusting and burning love in me for the thing. Groggy nard fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 19:05
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Crazycryodude posted:If you're firing cruise missiles at the convoy you're not dropping bombs on the Bulgarians/punching a hole in the east for the Rangers. We'll have all the money in the world to play with once we start advancing and capturing more lithium/cities. Taurus KEPD 350P Cruise Missile Range: 180 nm Targets: Land Structure - Soft Land Structure - Hardened Runway Mobile Target - Soft Mobile Target - Hardened Can we see why I wanted to buy more than four Tornadoes, now? Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Apr 24, 2017 19:09
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I'm in favour of focusing on our primary mission; supporting the 3rd, 5th and 19th regiments against the Bulgarians and going after the diamonds should the opportunity arise. I'm actually going to take a crack at a proposal but I need some quick info to inform my ignorant self: 1. There's going to be at least one Tunguska protecting the Bulgarians, plus the drat SAM. From what I read the Tunguska is most effective as a low-altitude AA gun; what would be the best weapon/craft to deal with it? 2. Same question for the SAM; should we be using the same forces as the Tunguska or different craft/loadout? (Ignoring ammunition/fuel limits; this is a question of tools not strike missions at this time) 3. Once the Anti-air forces are eliminated, what would be the best choice for ground strike craft? Basically, I'm really really bad with understanding the nuances of aircraft roles; I understand the macro roles but when it comes to specialization (and ground focused craft especially) I'm completely in the dark and could use some enlightenmnet.
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I think we should be able to nail the diamond mine trucks with a pair of Tornados using Tauruses. Pop up, fire at the trucks, land back at base, quick turnaround for a SEAD loadout, and return to the battlefield. Job done!
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Ignore the diamond truck. Yeah, the money would be nice, but we saw what happened last time when we got a bit overextended. Lets do one job, and do one job well. And not send our valuable airframes deep into enemy territory (of which we have little intellegence).
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Groggy nard posted:There is also the option of keeping eyes on with our drone and having our Convoy Strike package bugging the gently caress out and retasking elsewhere the exact instant we spot anything dangerous to said strike package. yeah dude let's buy a blackbird and have it fuckin' die instantly to an S-300
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Soup Inspector posted:I think we should be able to nail the diamond mine trucks with a pair of Tornados using Tauruses. Pop up, fire at the trucks, land back at base, quick turnaround for a SEAD loadout, and return to the battlefield. Job done! Even with quick turnaround that's what, a few hours wasted to snipe a single truck? We need the Tornadoes to be doing SEAD at the start, otherwise the strike birds can't get close to the Bulgarians for the first half of the mission. The diamonds are a target of opportunity if we have anything to spare after the Bulgarians are broken and that AAA is hunted down, not something we should focus on.
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Groggy nard posted:There is also the option of keeping eyes on with our drone and having our Convoy Strike package bugging the gently caress out and retasking elsewhere the exact instant we spot anything dangerous to said strike package. Yeah that was the intent behind mine. By the time we get to that part of the mission the SAM and their fighters should be burning wreckage. If not and we lose the SK60s, well, they're SK60s.  Those pilots knew what they signed up for. Then we can fit aircraft we actually want in our hangars!
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Apr 24, 2017 19:24
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Zaodai posted:The mission is explicitly to destroy it. They don't want those diamonds on the market. Fake their destruction and keep them in Zurich for as long as possible, though a decade or two should be plenty.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:27
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Small plan suggestion for anyone doing a more in-depth thing: it might be worth having the Tornadoes orbit in friendly airspace (hanging out with the tanker and its escorts ideally) with Tauruses loaded, then when the SA-20 battery radiates send the Reaper up high to try to get eyes on its position, then fire cruise missiles at that spot. I'd prefer this plan to also have extra Tornadoes with HARMs but SOMETHING happened to those. I don't suppose any of our crazy suppliers have any going spare at an in-theater premium?
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Phi230 posted:yeah dude let's buy a blackbird and have it fuckin' die instantly to an S-300 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system posted:range reaches up to 400 km Well gently caress me.
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power crystals posted:Yeah that was the intent behind mine. By the time we get to that part of the mission the SAM and their fighters should be burning wreckage. If not and we lose the SK60s, well, they're SK60s. As one of those pilots, I would prefer not to go on a suicide mission. You are welcome to switch places with me. I agree with the proposals that we need an anti-S-300 strike force either ready to go on the tarmac or actively up and searching around. We need to be careful until we find out where that thing is.
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Groggy nard posted:Well gently caress me. Yeah, that thing can shoot drat near all the way up to space, the SR-71 is a big part of the reason for the aggressively brutal latter day soviet SAMs
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Phi230 posted:yeah dude let's buy a blackbird and have it fuckin' die instantly to an S-300 Just means we need to do custom work.   Also, keep in mind that the max altitude, max range, and decent kinematic performance aren't mutually compatible.
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