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WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

Once you get a bunch of hype your rookie year you can coast off that for awhile

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leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

WhyteRyce posted:

Once you get a bunch of hype your rookie year you can coast off that for awhile

I guess good news for Embiid that he basically never has to play again then.

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

I still believe that JoJo will be healthy and dominant next season, just someone get him some bionic knees or perhaps a rabbit's foot for good luck

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Mirotic was legit good last year, PER 16 is a solid starter (remember PER 15 is not average for all players, it's weighted by minutes. There are only ~100 guys with PER above 15 in the league in a given year). Last year he was hitting 39% of his 3s and taking a healthy amount. And while his defense isn't incredible, I think he's a little underrated because he does a lot of stuff ok.

He regressed this year. I think a lot of that had to do with the mess the Bulls were through most of the year. I still this he's a starter-level type player, but probably will never sniff an all-star game.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Lockback posted:

Mirotic was legit good last year, PER 16 is a solid starter (remember PER 15 is not average for all players, it's weighted by minutes. There are only ~100 guys with PER above 15 in the league in a given year). Last year he was hitting 39% of his 3s and taking a healthy amount. And while his defense isn't incredible, I think he's a little underrated because he does a lot of stuff ok.

He regressed this year. I think a lot of that had to do with the mess the Bulls were through most of the year. I still this he's a starter-level type player, but probably will never sniff an all-star game.

He's a loving headcase that needs to get out of this organization.

Mirotic is the Jay Cutler of Stretch 4's

His ceiling is above average, and his floor is garbage, and he wildly fluctuates between those two extremes.

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
How do people feel about GSW's chances if Kerr never comes back?

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

leftist heap posted:

How do people feel about GSW's chances if Kerr never comes back?

On one handing, coaching doesn't matter that much, on the other hand Mike Brown would be their head coach soooooo

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

leftist heap posted:

How do people feel about GSW's chances if Kerr never comes back?

I think they'll still be the favorites to win, I don't think Mike Brown is going to call for a complete departure from Kerr's playbook, especially from the second round on

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Does anybody have a video of Harden locking his arm into Taj Gibson and then shooting to get foul shots?

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Coaching absolutely matters in this current NBA where you have to juggle between offense and defensive specialists. The Grizzlies/Spurs game has been a very good game of coaches that micro-manage the best players for situations, for example.

Brad Stevens has done a good job of changing his offensive scheme to have Isaiah Thomas start up higher on the pick and roll so Robin Lopez is forced to come higher and basically make him unplayable the last two games.

The Pacers lost at least two games because Nate McMillian refuses to put shooters in an offense-only possession with Monta Ellise and Lance Stephenson standing in the corners.

Coaching has never been more important in the playoffs when it's all about exploiting weaknesses in opposing rosters.

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

Paul Zuvella posted:

On one handing, coaching doesn't matter that much, on the other hand Mike Brown would be their head coach soooooo

Coaching matters more than people give it credit in these threads, especially in the playoffs. If they run into Pop and Mike Brown is coaching, GSW goes home early.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

coaching definitely matters in the playoffs where you have to face the same team up to 7 times and have to figure out how to counter things they do well and how to react to counters that they do to you.

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

Tae posted:

The Pacers lost at least two games because Nate McMillian refuses to put shooters in an offense-only possession with Monta Ellise and Lance Stephenson standing in the corners.

Those are the shooters

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

AggressivelyStupid posted:

Those are the shooters

I'm sure as a Cavs fan you loved Stephenson playing so Lebron can help off him all day and roam the paint

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

AggressivelyStupid posted:

He's disturbingly good at those. Got a funny looking shooting motion too, yesterday his free throws looked like he barely even moved his arm

hah it's really cool. I've seen him in some interviews talkin' about how shot coaching is about simplifying the form as much as possible, clearing away distractions.

The curl breaks defenses just by being an option, and there's nobody who can take advantage of it better than LeBron. I want a Zach Lowe clipshow like one of these highlight vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz0XHQ6Atr4
but where the Kyle Korver Kurl (uh oh) a the distraction or a bluff instead of the main action

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
Stephenson had a pretty good game 4, although considering he was 100% open 90% of the time it could have been better. Him wide open begging for the ball while George tried to dribble out of double teams was kinda funny/sad tho

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Paul Zuvella posted:

On one handing, coaching doesn't matter that much, on the other hand Mike Brown would be their head coach soooooo

Who is responsible for the Third Quarter Warriors destroying everyone if it's not the the coaching staff?

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
Also quick reminder Kerr thought starting Festus Ezili and playing him significant minutes in game 7 was a good idea

He gets a ton of credit for lineup choices they made in 2015 finals that honestly weren't that big of a deal. It was the Warriors vs an exhausted LeBron at that point

All Brown has to do is not do anything aggressively stupid and hope Curry & Thompson don't go cold again

I'm super interested to see if McGee gets significant minutes in g4. He's feasting against a small Portland roster and the dude opens up the offense

Eltoasto
Aug 26, 2002

We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.



Ammanas posted:

Stephenson had a pretty good game 4, although considering he was 100% open 90% of the time it could have been better. Him wide open begging for the ball while George tried to dribble out of double teams was kinda funny/sad tho

The common Pacers offense during the season was PG driving and forcing help, passing to an open 3 that passed it to another open 3 that passed it back in to PG because nobody else could shoot. Point 3 of the ringer article today was correct, the whole thing was correct.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-playoffs-indiana-pacers-exit-survey-paul-george-66a2bcfa7d79

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
I don't think Kerr will be frozen and stuck in the ground or anything. He'll still be involved with the team and there to help come up with strategies. When Walton took over last year, Kerr would talk with the coaches daily.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Lockback posted:

I don't think Kerr will be frozen and stuck in the ground or anything. He'll still be involved with the team and there to help come up with strategies. When Walton took over last year, Kerr would talk with the coaches daily.

Actually, last I read, Kerr's at a point where he's isolated from the team because he doesn't want to just periodically be with the team. He's all or nothing, and right now his symptoms are keeping him with the doctors.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

You'd think that Lacob would know about how fragile Kerr is after being golfing buddies with him for so long

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Back surgery is such a bad deal, if rich as gently caress Steve Kerr can't get treatment that doesn't result in debilitating and permanent migraines, what hope have the rest of us.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
We die before it gets that bad

Vanilla Mint Ice
Jul 17, 2007

A raccoon is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits.
Just gotta hope you're statically part of the like 98% of the people who don't get any severe life threatening complications from surgery. Surgeries are scary stuff, even with a normal non risky surgery there's still like a 0.01% chance things can go so wrong that you die on the spot

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

quote:

When the volume of CSF becomes low, the brain will sag inside the skull, causing headaches that worsen when the patient is in an upright position (sitting or standing up). CSF leaks can happen after medical procedures, such as lumbar puncture (spinal tap), epidural injections or spine surgery. When it happens in these situations, however, it usually is easily found.

I don't know if this is specifically his situation but :stare:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Vanilla Mint Ice posted:

Just gotta hope you're statically part of the like 98% of the people who don't get any severe life threatening complications from surgery. Surgeries are scary stuff, even with a normal non risky surgery there's still like a 0.01% chance things can go so wrong that you die on the spot

I've always heard, so feel free to correct my anecdote offering rear end, that back surgeries have a very high rate of complications. Not life threatening necessarily, but either not fixing or worsening or creating new back pain.

sharknado slashfic posted:

I don't know if this is specifically his situation but :stare:

CSF leaks can also happen when you get your skull dislocated from the top of your spine by Kermit Washington.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

zoux posted:

I've always heard, so feel free to correct my anecdote offering rear end, that back surgeries have a very high rate of complications. Not life threatening necessarily, but either not fixing or worsening or creating new back pain.

My dad broke his back on an unlucky fall (100% of the force of the landing on a perpendicular line with the corner of some stone stairs) and never got surgery for it because of that. Doctors just didn't want to do it because the odds of it actually fixing anything didn't outweigh the odds of something bad happening in the surgery (like loving up his spinal cord, for instance).

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Ammanas posted:

I'm super interested to see if McGee gets significant minutes in g4. He's feasting against a small Portland roster and the dude opens up the offense

Everybody is feasting on Portland. They're one of the worst defenses in the league and maybe the worst defense in the playoffs.

Vanilla Mint Ice
Jul 17, 2007

A raccoon is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits.
I know about a few types of surgery but not about back so I was referring more to general stuff. This may seem obvious to anyone and will go duhhhh when they hear it but straight from the source brain/neck surgeries have a pretty high rate of fatality! Very scary stuff, let's hope Trump gets us all swiftly killed before we have to present to ourselves and our family a choice of short life span or possibly even shorter or temporary lengthen lifespan.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

The television show Lost offers much information on back surgery. It's an old show tho, don't know if it translates to the modern NBA.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

zoux posted:

I've always heard, so feel free to correct my anecdote offering rear end, that back surgeries have a very high rate of complications. Not life threatening necessarily, but either not fixing or worsening or creating new back pain.

Well my future father-in-law had back surgery about 6 months ago, and he's spent pretty much the whole time on extreme antibiotics because of a MRSA infection, so that's fun. Also didn't do much for his back pain, but I think it's gotten better now that his infection is finally under control.

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
Rondo heals like an alpha.
https://twitter.com/kcjhoop/status/856593213041364992

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

AND ON THE 3RD GAME OF HIS INJURY HE HAS RISEN

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
only Rondo can save the Bulls from the Celtics and Isaiah "Dribble Discontinue" Thomas'

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/856599002468495361

I hate hate hate this team. So much. So very very much.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Dexo posted:

https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/856599002468495361

I hate hate hate this team. So much. So very very much.

I mean, I don't think he's wrong. Its not like there is anything specific they need to do better, they were just getting sorta beat at all phases. I'm actually surprised they kept it as close as they did.

Blind Pineapple
Oct 27, 2010

For The Perfect Fruit 'n' Kaman

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Fill with pineapple juice
Serve over crushed ice

College Slice
I think the Warriors will be fine with Brown at the helm especially if Durant plays. Plus it's not like Kerr is barred from contacting the team, so he can phone in some ideas between games if he watches them at home. Although it is fun to imagine them deteriorating into nothing but Steph 30-footers, that team is too talented and too deep into the season to collapse that much.

Blind Pineapple fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Apr 24, 2017

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

Chicago finds a way to make being mediocre entertaining. At least to me. Probably not their fans.

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predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
My friend had back surgery and it went wrong, and now he has to wear morphene patches all day, needs a cane to get around, and can no longer work. It's been 8 years now, and it has gotten better. He lost 60 pounds and looks like a walking skeleton.

Medical science has made great advancements, but the spinal column is still beyond our ken.

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