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Hav posted:Eve online, but don't go there. That's the thing. EvE "cheated" by turning the entire action part into a turn based system. 1,000 player servers tough but doable so long as the gameplay only has couple people taking a turn at a time. Chris wants everything. Fast action(requiring low latency), high playercount, detailed graphics.
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big nipples big life posted:Or it's just another one of the hundreds of times derek smart has talked out his rear end to draw attention to derek smart, since that is the reason for his whole crusade. Real talk: What does he get out of it? big nipples big life posted:CIG has gone from hilarious rapid fire gently caress ups to just one big, long, drawn out, boring gently caress up so laughing at dr. warlord's gently caress ups has just honestly become more fun. I can't fault that. Spatial posted:What, you don't believe Chris can afford to run the hardware to run 900,000 AIs that can pass the turing test just for a videogame, let alone actually make one of them even work at all? Always a cynic. I have people coming at me with deep learning systems and claiming they're AI, so I have no doubt that a simply expression and sentiment loop on an agent would be that hard; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nml2HLQz2t4 Look at all the NPCs there, goon... Virtual Captain posted:That's the thing. EvE "cheated" by turning the entire action part into a turn based system. 1,000 player servers tough but doable so long as the gameplay only has couple people taking a turn at a time. Not arguing. The requirement for a twitch-base in an MMO setting has been tried more than once, and while there has been the usual increase in Moore's law for compute, it's kinda gotten lost in the complexity of the systems and the fact that the internet was built for speed or reliability. And you'd be surprised how technical networking has become. Every school and their dog can produce javascript coders, but level 1-4 of the OSI is specialized knowledge. Frameworks take out the heavy lifting, but you're wedded to the designer's decisions. Hav fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Hav posted:Real talk: What does he get out of it? There's no such thing as bad PR and he has gotten more PR out of his SC crusade than he has since BC3000
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Hav posted:They had turnover in the first couple of years when they went through the 'competing team' bullshit, but I find that whole 'team-building' poo poo to be suspicious as all hell given the amount that they sub-contracted, and my personal belief is that they attempted to do distributed teams without the backbone in place, which they started to produce at the end of last year. Agreed. I've never played SC. I never pledged for it. I don't even own a PC. I'm posting this from a rotary phone. The reason why I got sucked into this thread was I kept hearing about how someone was trying to develop a giant space game in modules, and really nobody seemed to be questioning it at the time. So to your point, small teams working in isolation has definitely been the process for a long time. This is a management issue. It's the result of some one who knows very little about modern game development calling all the shots and refusing to be second guessed. And this process has already failed multiple times. FPS has to be thrown out. Every new release breaks more things then it fixes or adds. Everything is in a constant state of refactoring. They even continue to work on things they've already said will need to be redone in the future. None of the modules work together. What exists now are little islands of disparate ideas and features that convince Chris a working game is just around the corner. But because the actual planning has been non-existant, there's no chance of these demos ever coalescing into a coherent game. Instead they release features that are dialed back from the original promise because theres no way to from stock cryengine to their PU "foundation" without stepping on a hundred landmines in the process. That's why you wind up with things like network 2.0, items 2.0, landing 2.0 etc...
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Hav posted:Real talk: What does he get out of it? Hes literally a high functioning autistic.
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Virtual Captain posted:A simple game could get 1000 people in the same area, assuming the server is just communicating coordinates and doesn't require much latency. No, no, no - the reason these things aren't being done now has nothing to do with technological reality - it's purely because before Chris Roberts, nobody thought to do it. It's easy to imagine Chris as a cripplingly autistic thumb-headed man-child who doesn't understand the capabilities and accompanying limitations of technology because he's wildly ignorant about the subject matter. In fact, it takes no imagination at all. But that's what makes him such a visionary. You have to understand - one day, Chris Roberts will say "Wait, why don't we just cure cancer?" and that day, countless lives will be saved as the scales fall from the eyes of a planet full of scientists who, until Chris spoke, simply didn't have the vision to think of the solution.
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Thoatse posted:The 9:1 thing is almost as funny as him saying you won't be able to tell AI from real players From what I have read of the citizen's, this is not really a stretch.
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Lladre posted:From what I have read of the citizen's, this is not really a stretch. They're going program the AI to spend their UEE disability checks on in-game in-game spaceships.
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Scruffpuff posted:But that's what makes him such a visionary. You have to understand - one day, Chris Roberts will say "Wait, why don't we just cure cancer?" and that day, countless lives will be saved as the scales fall from the eyes of a planet full of scientists who, until Chris spoke, simply didn't have the vision to think of the solution. Something something Korea is *complicated*. Lest we forget how this journey started; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdZ6MPdOvqc
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big nipples big life posted:There's no such thing as bad PR and he has gotten more PR out of his SC crusade than he has since BC3000 Tell me friend, have you heard of Justine Sacco? Follow up; how do you monetize press like Derek produces? Blog clicks?
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Hav posted:Tell me friend, have you heard of Justine Sacco? You do know that derek makes (really bad) games right? Those sell for money that goes to derek.
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Hav posted:Something something Korea is *complicated*.
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The biggest burn I can think of is not capitalizing someone's name. Just absolutely disrespectful.
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big nipples big life posted:You do know that derek makes (really bad) games right? Those sell for money that goes to derek. Derek Smart hates it when you talk about Derek Smart.
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Nicholas posted:Most AAA games take 5+ years to develop. I find it somewhat telling they never seem to recruit project management/scrum/product owner type staff in significant numbers, yet there is a high turnover of higher end development staff. Any moderately complex product needs a really really solid team dedicated to management, workflow and processes. My own team have a dedicated scrum mistress (co-ordinates all teams, keeps everything moving at all times), a designated product owner for any specific project (sets the project targets and monitors progress), a dedicated product manager (manages the actual tasks, makes decisions), a senior dev or two (makes tech decisions), and then a handful of specialised devs and QA people. We have an MD, but he knows he only allowed to micromanage 2 days out of every month, which works well for everyone involved. We generally have the same turnover of management types as we do developers (lose about 4 of each a year, hire about the same amount back). I've seem similar in other companies I've worked for. The hiring/turnover situation at CIG is not normal, and I wonder if their project management resources are event vaguely sufficient for such an ambitious project.
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big nipples big life posted:You do know that derek makes (really bad) games right? Those sell for money that goes to derek. LOL. This still amazes me.
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big nipples big life posted:You do know that derek makes (really bad) games right? Those sell for money that goes to derek. And your contention is that he makes bank from the sales of his released games and this is the _entire_ motivation? How much bank would you speculate? Are we talking Porsche Cayenne money? Coolguye posted:has anything happened in the thing or are we still in the long, slow spiral of a doomed business Yes, two weeks. Jobbo_Fett posted:Derek Smart hates it when you talk about Derek Smart. This is far more accurate than the idea that there's a bump in sales of Line of Defense on every blog. Edit: Justine Sacco; https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tweet-ruined-justine-saccos-life.html Turns out that it's part of our ethics course we take every year; this one was 'No PR is bad PR'. Hav fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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thatguy posted:The biggest burn I can think of is not capitalizing someone's name. Just absolutely disrespectful. Oh hey, its ThatGuy  This post brought to you by derek smart
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Hey dudes if you want to talk poo poo about Derek here you can just talk poo poo about him. You don't have to be all coy and come into the thread every other day and be like, "Hey Derek how about that thing you said that one time? How's that going? Did the thing happen?" I mean you can if you want... but you don't have to.
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thatguy posted:Hey dudes if you want to talk poo poo about Derek here you can just talk poo poo about him. You don't have to be all coy and come into the thread every other day and be like, "Hey Derek how about that thing you said that one time? How's that going? Did the thing happen?" I mean you can if you want... but you don't have to. This is true. Derek will then "block" you (put you on ignore). If enough people quote your posts he will then threaten to block them, for quoting you.
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D1E posted:This is true.
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thatguy posted:Yes and this is all much funnier than the alternative. Getting doxxed by Derek Smart? Probably true.
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Hav posted:Yes, two weeks. im wise to your tricks
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Hav posted:And your contention is that he makes bank from the sales of his released games and this is the _entire_ motivation? I don't know how much but I 100% guarantee more sales action since his name has been being put alongside star citizen. What explanation would you offer for a man who makes games in the same genre as SC and that hasn't been relevant in the game industry since even before croberts making constant attempts to tie his name to the product? Also comparing some random person's tweet fallout to someone who's in a career based off name/brand recognition is silly. "Bad" guys in name recognition industries don't care if you cheer or boo, so long as you make noise.
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D1E posted:If enough people quote your posts he will then threaten to block them, for quoting you. This is the thread endgame raid
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big nipples big life posted:I don't know how much but I 100% guarantee more sales action since his name has been being put alongside star citizen. What explanation would you offer for a man who makes games in the same genre as SC and that hasn't been relevant in the game industry since even before croberts making constant attempts to tie his name to the product? I still don't see a number there. Go on, ballpark it. Make a prediction of how much it's worth to him, and he may just confirm it. Maybe not, but it would stop the speculation about how much of boost it's worth. Or you could be just making wild assumptions about 'brand'. big nipples big life posted:Also comparing some random person's tweet fallout to someone who's in a career based off name/brand recognition is silly. "Bad" guys in name recognition industries don't care if you cheer or boo, so long as you make noise. Well, again, Sacco is a bar for HR, so pay attention to the idea rather than dismissing it, but again, lets go over the brand recognition angle; isn't this Star Citizen, and wasn't that $140 million? Built on Chris Roberts? Who are you actually pissed at here? big nipples big life posted:This is the thread endgame raid brb grabbing bucket.
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Wrecked Angle posted:
Yeah, but Paris has around 1,000 sextillion Km to explore last I checked. But to be serious, made its rounds on reddit a day or so ago with a talk with CIG. Apparently the plan is to "corral" folks into missions so folks can actually find each other in the verse.
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I like the part where my wife, who has never worked for nor been involved in my company, is now an employee of 3000AD. That must be news to her. And he writes that with such authority; it's as if he doesn't have a loving clue. loving morons.
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thatguy posted:Hey dudes if you want to talk poo poo about Derek here you can just talk poo poo about him. You don't have to be all coy and come into the thread every other day and be like, "Hey Derek how about that thing you said that one time? How's that going? Did the thing happen?" I mean you can if you want... but you don't have to. Good thing I don't get to see them; seeing as they're all blocked. All I see from those guys (D1E, big nipples big life et al) is "Jerk detected! This user is on your ignore list, click to view post anyway" D_Smart fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 24, 2017 |
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Has anyone said MOMA is toast yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLBmz2rkcMM
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D_Smart posted:I like the part where my wife, who has never worked for nor been involved in my company, is now an employee of 3000AD. That must be news to her. Well I mean at least they're acknowledging you have a wife. It's a step up from the guys who are 100% guaranteeing your wife and daughter are made up lol
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D_Smart posted:Good thing I don't get to see them; seeing as they're all blocked. What about me? Am I blocked senpai?
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hot balls man no homo posted:They were laid off but are welcome to reapply for their old jobs at severely reduced salary. This is what successful companies do to reduce costs. Fire everyone that knows what they're doing and make them grovel to work at the company making the BDSSE. I haven't kept close tabs on the CIG jobs page for a while but they've continually had 50-60 positions listed. After some of the positions started getting conspicuously old (like, early 2015 old) they started reposting them with new dates but few other changes. In fact, I think the number of engineering positions listed is now down from what it was before. But all in all, I wouldn't take that page as much of an indicator of anything. ... except for the descriptions for the Producer positions, which still conspicuously omit Gary Oldman from the "star-studded cast" of SQ42.
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D1E posted:This is true. Hello messi_knessi
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D_Smart posted:Good thing I don't get to see them; seeing as they're all blocked. You loving wimp
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D_Smart posted:I like the part where my wife, who has never worked for nor been involved in my company, is now an employee of 3000AD. That must be news to her. This could explain a few things, I'm starting to think that some of them maybe confused about which one of you is Derek Smart and which one is Chris Roberts. It's why they think you are a criminal because of the dodge stuff Chris has done and why they are saying your wife works at your company.
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D1E posted:This is true. D_Smart posted:Good thing I don't get to see them; seeing as they're all blocked.
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