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crossposting this from the limited thread. Went 2-1 on this just now, losing against a solid B/W aggro zombies deck.  also, can one not buy amonkhet packs directly on MTGO right now?
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i cant log onto mtgo at all it just fails when trying to log on 
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Dungeon Ecology posted:also, can one not buy amonkhet packs directly on MTGO right now?
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Not sure if anyone has said this yet or not.... but printing a premium Counterbalance and then banning Top reminds me of the time they put Stoneforge Mystic in an Event deck and then promptly banned it in Standard. Also, Legacy has been dead for a while now. Long live the one true Modern King!
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Mezzanon posted:My plan is to use black border precise fits for my unlimited basics, and white border for every other card in the deck. FYI someone is gonna give you a hard time about using two different types of precise fits in one deck and try to get you DQ'd or whatever. No idea what the rules are for having different sleeves are if the insides look different but the backsides all look the same but be prepared to tell some grog, and possible a judge, why these aren't marked cards. Personally, I think they're cool and funny.
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Apr 25, 2017 12:45
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lmao at banning top instead of terminus
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Ciprian Maricon posted:lmao at banning top instead of terminus WotC doesn't like trying to nerf decks (unless that deck is modern storm.) They just ban the whole deck and congratulate themselves on a good job. If we get enough people who don't play the format to whine on social media and twitch chat maybe we can get it unbanned.
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What's Vintage going to look like without the Mentor decks?
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Like the deck used to be called "counter top" and not "miracles" you'd think that'd be a clue as to what exactly changed it from "a deck that can struggle to beat a Canadian Threshold curve of nimble mongoose into werebear" into an overpowered chore. Hmmm I wonder what it could have been? I love storm so hooray for me, but goddamn Wizards at least ask three dudes who play the format before making decisions
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Apr 25, 2017 13:15
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Top should always be banned for reasons beyond power level.
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Apr 25, 2017 13:26
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I could see that in a format like modern but in legacy with brainstorms and fetches and tutors galore I think the argument is pretty weak about it slowing down the game
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Apr 25, 2017 13:30
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Siivola posted:The set doesn't officially release until the weekend. It's fully out on mtgo.
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Apr 25, 2017 13:34
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Top should always be banned for reasons beyond power level. Maybe if this game bothered to enforce slow play rules that might not have been a problem
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Apr 25, 2017 13:57
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The only format where Top is acceptable is commander, and that's because the people playing it are already slow as gently caress.
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Apr 25, 2017 14:13
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Also you can shortcut it in a way you can't in a tournament. Just sort your three on the next player's turn and then if anything relevant happens to make you need something else do it again. Then you aren't doing it right before your turn and holding everyone up.
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Apr 25, 2017 14:26
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Top should always be banned for reasons beyond power level. This. There are few cards less fun to play against vvv this guy gets it
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TheKingofSprings posted:Maybe if this game bothered to enforce slow play rules that might not have been a problem But the reality is that it's not enforced and even if it was, Top would STILL be a gameplay nightmare.
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Humanity was a mistake
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the only people who are upset about top's banning are the assholes that made playing against it a chore
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Just drafted my first AKH deck, and I'm reasonably happy with the fact I got two Faith of the Devoted plus nine minimum cycling cards.
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Apr 25, 2017 14:34
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Bring back Top so I can spin it with Bob!!
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I can't stop laughing at WotC printing masterpiece counterbalance then banning top in that set's B&R update.
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TheChirurgeon posted:the only people who are upset about top's banning are the assholes that made playing against it a chore I can be annoyed that a bunch of people who don't play a format got a card/deck banned even if I've never played that deck. Especially when it's not the first time it happened. Real questions: How many of you people who are so happy about Top's banning actually play legacy? How many play only or primarily legacy? How many complained about Top before AVR was released?
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Miracles was my primary deck for years but I haven't played it for about a year now after the shops that did legacy FNM stopped running it. And I'd rather not play with the legacy grognards at the other shop that has weekly legacy events.  I have stoneblade and ANT if I cared enough to play legacy again.
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I couldn't care less about legacy as long as the reserved list remains a thing. I'm upset that I actually chose to build a Commander deck because I found a solid group of guys, and I decided to make Leovold my man. If they get rid of the reserved list and allow legacy to be affordable I would love the format.
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suicidesteve posted:I can be annoyed that a bunch of people who don't play a format got a card/deck banned even if I've never played that deck. Especially when it's not the first time it happened. [citation needed]
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Apr 25, 2017 15:28
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Steve blames VSL and its mutant vintage meta game for the restriction that knocked out shops. I have no personal clue on accuracy of that.
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Apr 25, 2017 15:32
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Just wait, they'll restrict Ichorid next.
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suicidesteve posted:I can be annoyed that a bunch of people who don't play a format got a card/deck banned even if I've never played that deck. Especially when it's not the first time it happened. I played miracles and am not happy about the ban.
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I've never played Legacy and don't care about the Top banning, hope this helps with the data collection.
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I think the top ban will do bad things to the metagame until/unless another extremely powerful hard control deck pops up. It was also the right thing from a "stop spinning top and waiting 30 seconds, you literally did it a phase ago and all I did was pass" perspective, and if legacy turns out okay, it might end up a net benefit, but I kinda doubt that'll be the case. I don't actually know, obviously, but I thought legacy was fine as is, and killing miracles wasn't a good thing. Jen X fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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The complete lack of a control deck now might be a bit of a problem for the format.
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ANT is cool and good, not seeing the problem here.
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TheKingofSprings posted:The complete lack of a control deck now might be a bit of a problem for the format. The most played deck at the last big Legacy tourney other than Miracles was the 4 color Leovold deck. It's a control deck.
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TheKingofSprings posted:The complete lack of a control deck now might be a bit of a problem for the format. But you can play Stoneforge and Deathrite and call your midrange deck a control deck!!! It works so well in modern. mcmagic posted:The most played deck at the last big Legacy tourney other than Miracles was the 4 color Leovold deck. It's a control deck. Lol
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Real True Control Decks would never play a creature that can damage the opponent. It's unseemly. The only win condition for an honorable control deck is to wait for your opponent to die of old age.
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suicidesteve posted:But you can play Stoneforge and Deathrite and call your midrange deck a control deck!!! It works so well in modern. Miracles was more of a prison deck than a control deck anyway...
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I want to win with an old-school blue permission deck that wins with Misthollow Griffin cast from exile after I RFG it to pay for Misdirection. I know it's a bad idea.
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suicidesteve posted:I can be annoyed that a bunch of people who don't play a format got a card/deck banned even if I've never played that deck. Especially when it's not the first time it happened. I haven't been able to play Legacy since 2013, but the ban should have been for Terminus so Counter Top could still live. But I think that the same people that play with Top slowly in Miracles would be just as miserable with it in Counter Top.
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Smashing Link posted:I want to win with an old-school blue permission deck that wins with Misthollow Griffin cast from exile after I RFG it to pay for Misdirection. I know it's a bad idea. I have good news for you, there's a midrange deck that does that Well I mean, it actually kills with Walking Ballista, but it still does stuff like that http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=15291&d=292949&f=LE
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