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DoW III will just exist in a perpetual cycle of additional $15 DLC race packs, no DoW 4 needed.
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Deakul posted:DOW2 was pretty alright but I actually love base building so DOW3 is probably even better! Dow3 doesn't really have base building tho
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Apr 25, 2017 17:08
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BadLlama posted:DoW III will just exist in a perpetual cycle of additional $15 DLC race packs, no DoW 4 needed. Given how much 2 changed its gonna be interesting seeing where dow3 is at 3 years from now and 2 expansions in.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:12
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BadLlama posted:DoW III will just exist in a perpetual cycle of additional $15 DLC race packs, no DoW 4 needed. It's going to be like that train sperg game that has 100s of individual DLC packs @ $15/pop.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:15
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Delacroix posted:Nah, I'll think I'll just build my stuff slightly outside the centre map point straight away because a single player can't stop a waagh tower going up that early, your teammates are sticking to their dota lane and ork t0 boyz can tie up basic units until the lootas, zapnoggin, nobs and deff dreads arrive, in that order. Orks own because you can literally use your enemies former forward base as building blocks for another forward base for yourself. Same with your own destroyed forward base. Basically Orks play like the Super Space Cockroaches they are lore-wise and it rules.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:14
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Wait dawn of wars expansions have all been 1 year apart, where was I getting a year and a half from...
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Apr 25, 2017 17:17
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Nasgate posted:Orks own because you can literally use your enemies former forward base as building blocks for another forward base for yourself. Same with your own destroyed forward base. Basically Orks play like the Super Space Cockroaches they are lore-wise and it rules. It also rules that every ork tactic in this is "be extremely orky at them".
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Apr 25, 2017 17:17
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Kind of wish Chaos made it in first go and their super unit was just a big rear end demon dude. I think they have a walker like the other guys but big rear end demon dudes are better.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:20
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Nasgate posted:Orks own because you can literally use your enemies former forward base as building blocks for another forward base for yourself. Same with your own destroyed forward base. Basically Orks play like the Super Space Cockroaches they are lore-wise and it rules. Orks can use building wrecks to make their own? I thought it was only vehicles.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:36
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Stanley Pain posted:So what you're saying is they removed a lot of the tedium and instead focused on make base building a more strategic or tactical thing. Yeah. The choices are way more relevant, and the basebuilding is mostly there to allow you to improve your map control. I often have games where I build my first barracks structure forward (but not super far forward), then "leapfrog" up with my second structure as I take more terrain. Further, they chose to make structures (other than vehicle structures) quite inexpensive, which means that if your forward barracks gets destroyed, the main thing you've lost is time and position. This combines in a really interesting way - DoW3 is probably the most comeback-friendly RTS I've ever played. I've lost major battles and had my forward base wiped out, but still been able to come back - in most games, even past Relic titles, that generally hasn't been the case.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:37
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DarkAvenger211 posted:Orks can use building wrecks to make their own? I thought it was only vehicles. You can throw up cheap quick waaagh towers from wrecks . Lets you get the next push going faster.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:45
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Stanley Pain posted:Dow 4 is gonna suck because it's not Dow I, II or III A lot of the posting about DoW3 gives me flashbacks to DoW2's release because absolute tons of people loving hated DoW2 with a burning passion because it wasn't DoW1.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:44
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Kanos posted:A lot of the posting about DoW3 gives me flashbacks to DoW2's release because absolute tons of people loving hated DoW2 with a burning passion because it wasn't DoW1. Still do. The campaign was alright though and Last Stand was good. BadLlama fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 17:45
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Kanos posted:A lot of the posting about DoW3 gives me flashbacks to DoW2's release because absolute tons of people loving hated DoW2 with a burning passion because it wasn't DoW1. I'll see you in the Dow IV thread soon enough 
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Apr 25, 2017 17:48
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Kanos posted:A lot of the posting about DoW3 gives me flashbacks to DoW2's release because absolute tons of people loving hated DoW2 with a burning passion because it wasn't DoW1. This. Only with the added irony of it being done by the people who defended dow2.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:51
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BadLlama posted:Still do.  The cover and CP system was neat but it was done way, way better in Company of Heroes. If they gave DOWIII levels of lethality to DOWII it would have been awesome.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:57
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I hope we can all agree the worst thing about any dawn of war / warhammer games is the posters
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Apr 25, 2017 18:15
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Third World Reggin posted:I hope we can all agree the worst thing about any dawn of war / warhammer games is the posters Looks like someone hasn't played Eternal Crusade yet
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Apr 25, 2017 18:16
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Artum posted:This. I liked DOW1 a lot, and DOW2 even more. I don't like DOW3 for reasons I've laid out in the thread, primary among them being that I find the gameplay stiff and unexciting, not "because it's a MOBA!" Stop loving mischaracterizing everyone who disagrees with you as some sort of idiot grognard.
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Apr 25, 2017 18:23
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Mordja posted:I liked DOW1 a lot, and DOW2 even more. I don't like DOW3 for reasons I've laid out in the thread, primary among them being that I find the gameplay stiff and unexciting, not "because it's a MOBA!" Stop loving mischaracterizing everyone who disagrees with you as some sort of idiot grognard. And I call bullshit on that when the closest point of comparison for the moment to moment gameplay is its DoW1 except units can actually path in a fight so micro isn't literally impossible. Artum fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 18:39
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In DoW1 I could tell what the hell was going on because they didn't go completely overboard with the effects and my units weren't made of paper. It resembles DoW1 with it's army sizes but not much else.
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Apr 25, 2017 18:56
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Senjuro posted:In DoW1 I could tell what the hell was going on because they didn't go completely overboard with the effects and my units weren't made of paper. It resembles DoW1 with it's army sizes but not much else. I dunno in DoW by late mid to end game your tier 1 fodder would get annihilated pretty quickly. Not as quick as DoW3 but almost to the same point where there would be no time to react with your tier 1 troop fodder. DoW3 line troops dont seem to get as much durability as they up tier as units did in DoW.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:38
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Don't forget that it was also a lot easier to reinforce and that kept squads alive longer too.
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I can't decide if I wanna buy or not. While the multiplayer looks fun, I am extremely poo poo at mp RTS. I thoroughly enjoyed the previous 2 games' campaigns but this one doesn't look too promising. I do actually like the visuals though. If I just wait for the price to drop, I'll be at an even bigger disadvantage as everyone will already be all practiced up. I'm kinda hoping that it will have a reasonably long lasting and sizeable player base so matchmaking actually has something to work with. Doesn't help that the thread is pretty much split on the game. Ah, who am I kidding it's a DoW game, I'll end up buying the bloody thing.
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el dingo posted:I'm kinda hoping that it will have a reasonably long lasting and sizeable player base Really wouldn't count on this.
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Apr 25, 2017 20:46
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Vargs posted:Really wouldn't count on this. To this day you can get a game of dow2 at any hour of the day despite vast swathes of people saying the same.
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Apr 25, 2017 20:47
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Artum posted:This. You realize you're being just as insufferable as the couple of guys who are still in here consistently bitching, right? People are allowed to dislike a game they have now played the beta for, and are allowed to enumerate on why. Most who have done so have said their piece and moved on. Their opinions are valid. Yours are not some sort of universal truth. Stop being a twat and post poo poo about the game you're enjoying instead of just accusing everyone else of idiocy for not enjoying it.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:22
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Zore posted:Dow3 doesn't really have base building tho Doesn't it? Could've swore I saw power generators and unit production buildings getting plopped down in some gameplay vids.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:27
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Deakul posted:Doesn't it? Could've swore I saw power generators and unit production buildings getting plopped down in some gameplay vids. It has pretty light base building.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:30
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Psycho Landlord posted:You realize you're being just as insufferable as the couple of guys who are still in here consistently bitching, right? Sorry if I'm being annoying. It just gets profoundly wearing after months of "this is a dumb game for babbies, not like GLORIOUS DoW#  " when every game thus far has had serious faults, but has still been pretty good.
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Apr 25, 2017 22:05
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Deakul posted:Doesn't it? Could've swore I saw power generators and unit production buildings getting plopped down in some gameplay vids. There's four main buildings per race, a universal turret, and then each race has a macro gimmick. The base building is exactly as deep as it needs to be to not distract from the micro, and every race has built in mechanics that encourage the players to build forward bases during the match.
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Artum posted:Sorry if I'm being annoying. It just gets profoundly wearing after months of "this is a dumb game for babbies, not like GLORIOUS DoW# I totally get where you're coming from. It's been frustrating to like this game for the past month or so while the game has been universally shat on, in every community I'm a part of, and for a lot of reasons that objectively aren't true. Still, we're finally at a point where positive discussion is happening and that's really good. Hopefully people that continue to dislike it for legitimate reasons and people that really enjoy it can try to keep the conversation healthy before the game's niche community kills itself.
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el dingo posted:I can't decide if I wanna buy or not. While the multiplayer looks fun, I am extremely poo poo at mp RTS. I thoroughly enjoyed the previous 2 games' campaigns but this one doesn't look too promising. I do actually like the visuals though. I bought it at $45 mostly because I'm desperate for new RTS games as of late.
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Despite my complaints I might end up getting it after a bit because there are glimpses of a good game, it just needs a lot of fine tuning to make it really good. Plus all RTSes are hard until you get the meta down. That and I too am starving for new RTSes  E. Although for those who just need an RTS hit, check out Steel Division: Normandy 44. It's Wargames: WWII and pretty good CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 22:56
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The thing that's been niggling at me with this release is the different voice actor for Gabriel Angelos, he's gone from a shakespearean hammed up hero to a ... Jock with speech impediments
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EDIT: ^^^ If I remember right, Relic actually has some bullshit canon reason for this. Apparently there's a flaw in the Blood Raven's geneseed that results in random voice changing every couple of years or something. Stupid, but kinda funny.DreamShipWrecked posted:Despite my complaints I might end up getting it after a bit because there are glimpses of a good game, it just needs a lot of fine tuning to make it really good. Plus all RTSes are hard until you get the meta down. This is sort of where I'm at. I wasn't a fan of the beta gameplay overmuch, but I also didn't get to spend a lot of time with it. I'm super disappointed by the lack of spectacle in combat, because that was one of Dawn of War's main selling points for me in the face of better RTS games, but if this drops and the core gameplay does end up being some diamond in the rough I may still spring for it. Also seconding the Steel Division recommendation, that game looks fun as hell, and if you liked Wargame at all, it appears to have fixed most issues with Wargame's model.
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Psycho Landlord posted:EDIT: ^^^ If I remember right, Relic actually has some bullshit canon reason for this. Apparently there's a flaw in the Blood Raven's geneseed that results in random voice changing every couple of years or something. Stupid, but kinda funny. That was a joke from /tg/ and 1d4chan. The most ironic thing about the change of tone in gabriels voice is that they got an actual English voice actor instead of the Canadian Dobson brothers. So they get a brit to voice him and replace his eloquence with thuggery.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:11
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BadLlama posted:DoW2 was very bad so this is a good thing. DoW2 might be the rts I played in multiplayer most. Also it had the best Ork campaign, the real way to judge a game.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:24
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Deakul posted:Doesn't it? Could've swore I saw power generators and unit production buildings getting plopped down in some gameplay vids. There are resource generators, but you don't build them in your base - it's more like the power generator mechanic from DoW2, where you construct them on the points you capture (and don't even need workers to do so). The economy is definitely still a Relic RTS and not Starcraft.
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Also unlike the previous game you have to build on the points to get anything, iirc you don't get resources just for owning the point. Which means it's just as effective to jump on an enemy point, raze everything to the ground, and jump back out again without capturing the point.
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