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Not just the refugees, they are managing to pull many talented young students from countries that are less well off or don't have free tuition, who then stay there to build a career and/or family.
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Plenty of young educated people can be brought to do useful (also high salary) work in N/NW Yurop from Southern/Eastern Yurop, or the Far-East. Russia too. I've also met highly skilled specialists from Pakistan, India, Turkey and China.
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Cat Mattress posted:On the long term, definitely not. Germany is a dying country. Unemployment is low because the German population shrinks, so there's a lot of old people who need care and very few young people who need jobs. Last year, the birth rate in Germany went up for the fifth year in a row. It's still below replacement level, but if the trend continues... So predictions about Germany being a dying country should be taken with a grain of salt. France had below replacement level birth rates after WW1 if I recall correctly, and they managed to recover from it. Demographics are not set in stone.
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In Finland there is no sign that the supposed manpower shortage ever hits. The pensioners are eating a big piece of our budget, to put it short, but despite people quitting the workforce due to pension age or simply death, nobody is needed to fill those jobs because the jobs have ceased to exist. The idea peddled in the past by a certain type of Leftist that we need vast amounts of young, ill-educated men from the Middle-East or East-Africa to fix "our workforce shortage" (ever impeding, but never materializing, Finland has a record or near record level of local language speaking at least somewhat educated young adults without regular work) has never been true this far, and probably never will. The jobs in the old industries are gone, automagization and globalization are making the rest disappear. Adding populations most of whom will forever live on government handouts just makes the issue worse, not better. So pretty angry the Left spread that false-truth for such a long time, and while it's not that common of an argument for mass-immigration anymore you still hear it :/ Yeah, Japan is truly hosed because they take in almost no migrants, hardly even on work basis... oops, not true. And in Nordic countries, like or not, it just "is" migration from non-OECD countries simply make the system more expensive instead of fixing the issue of less jobs and less public money to throw around.
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Automation will replace a lot of jobs, yes, but it is going to be a long loving time before people accept grandma being taken care by Robo-nurse
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The Puppet Master posted:Automation will replace a lot of jobs, yes, but it is going to be a long loving time before people accept grandma being taken care by Robo-nurse Heard that one before. And true about robo-nurse from Fallout. But which percent of young Arab men who came in as asylum seekers or their relatives (women don't work, by and large) who can't talk to female doctors will be happy to receive lovely pay for wiping yo' mommas rear end at the nursery home? Willing to do that job? Really, do you think they will help? Edit: Filipino nurses probably would. Ligur fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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The Puppet Master posted:Automation will replace a lot of jobs, yes, but it is going to be a long loving time before people accept grandma being taken care by Robo-nurse Has it never occurred to you that even without an actual Robo-nurse, manpower requirements for health care can be drastically reduced by using various automated tools? For example, there was an article in a local newspaper that talked about how automated medicine dispensers made by this company eliminates the need for municipal "home aid" employees to drive around to patients who live at home but cannot be trusted to medicate themselves properly and dispense pills to them up to several times a day. Also, various kinds of aids for users who are to feeble to take care of themselves are in development, like this exoskeleton. Kopijeger fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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The Puppet Master posted:Automation will replace a lot of jobs, yes, but it is going to be a long loving time before people accept grandma being taken care by Robo-nurse And the resulting rush to non-automated jobs from automated ones will drive the pay for the non-automated jobs into the ground. Everyone loses, except the one who owns the automation.
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That's what the devil-Japs are doing. (For the trigged, I don' actually call the Japanese that, it was a joke on how people in the States called them in the 40s even though they are people like you and me, which is extremely evident right now vis a vis helping the elderly with tech.) Gort posted:And the resulting rush to non-automated jobs from automated ones will drive the pay for the non-automated jobs into the ground. Everyone loses, except the one who owns the automation. Sort of yes. That is happening. Ligur fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Robots should be cleaning the oceans, not startling old people with their creepy rear end depressing presence
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unpacked robinhood posted:Robots should be cleaning the oceans, not startling old people with their creepy rear end depressing presence Make a profitable business out of that, and they will. How? Who? Where? No idea.
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Old people will pay out of their Medicare to be taken care of, who are the oceans going to pay? What valuable resources are you going to extract? Just more plastic?
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Mozi posted:Old people will pay out of their Medicare to be taken care of, who are the oceans going to pay? What valuable resources are you going to extract? Just more plastic? Medicare what what what???
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Gub'mint spending on the future of oceans by dastadly using tax money to fund projects, like COMMUNISTS do it, but the projects ought to be from the private sector to the tune of which enterprise did gets them BEST pilot results. Say during the first year or five to lock up further funding; - NoPlast SeaCorp - Hayabusa Water - Zombie Blackwell -Trump Healthy Ocean (the biggest ocean health NGO, the best, the largest, invest in THO) - Some Norwegian Startup, with 500k original funding, from the internet no less and they would have to compete over that... ... and so on. Ligur fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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unpacked robinhood posted:Can't wait for my 0 hour contract and desperate decrepit old guy filling my cart at checkout 0-hour contracts are not legal by German law. That's the Anglosphere who thought this was a good idea, don't pin this one on us.
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Gort posted:And the resulting rush to non-automated jobs from automated ones will drive the pay for the non-automated jobs into the ground. Everyone loses, except the one who owns the automation.
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So now France has the worst possible choice. Piece of poo poo banker versus petit bourgeois islamophobe.
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Shibawanko posted:So now France has the worst possible choice. Piece of poo poo banker versus petit bourgeois islamophobe. Fillion would have been way worse than either.
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sheep-dodger posted:0-hour contracts are not legal by German law. Just what on earth is a 0-hour contract? Slavery?
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It's a job with no minimum working hours.
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sheep-dodger posted:0-hour contracts are not legal by German law. Germany has their own innovations. Like the 1-euro jobs!
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MiddleOne posted:Fillion would have been way worse than either. *in extremely liberal pundit voice* actually it's melenchon and the Regressive Left
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MiddleOne posted:Fillion would have been way worse than either. The problem with a macron win is it only continues the same thing, and the same thing is what keeps loving up europe and giving more voters to Le Pen. This is just really kicking the can down the road, with the risk of the can being too heavy to kick the next time.
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https://twitter.com/SylvainMaillard/status/856941696411729924 "I want to convince the French to vote for me, for my project, and not against Mrs Le Pen." And I thought he wanted to win this thing. Edit: Oh yeah, there's also this https://twitter.com/DavidSynapse/status/856981789126033409 Manuel Valls is never going away willingly. Kassad posted:Mais quelle grosse merde Kassad fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Shibawanko posted:So now France has the worst possible choice. Piece of poo poo banker versus petit bourgeois islamophobe. I honestly could not blame French voters from abstaining the second round. MLP is scum of course but a banker? In this age? In any fair election system if the voter turnout is <50% all candidates should be guillotined.
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His Divine Shadow posted:The problem with a macron win is it only continues the same thing, and the same thing is what keeps loving up europe and giving more voters to Le Pen. This is just really kicking the can down the road, with the risk of the can being too heavy to kick the next time. It's surprising how no one here seems to think that in response to 'exactly the same thing', people might move to the left instead of to the right.
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The media will do its utmost to prevent that, don't you think? Hell, BFMTV insinuated strongly that Macron is to the left on Monday morning.
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Namarrgon posted:I honestly could not blame French voters from abstaining the second round. Turnout was something like 80% I think.
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Randarkman posted:Turnout was something like 80% I think. I meant in theory, not necessarily for this election.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:It's surprising how no one here seems to think that in response to 'exactly the same thing', people might move to the left instead of to the right. People are constantly brainwashed with the idea that these shitheads are somehow "centre-left".
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Oh yeah macron was "le candidat centriste" this morning on radio.
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unpacked robinhood posted:Oh yeah macron was "le candidat centriste" this morning on radio. So what's the conclusion then?? People should just stand aside and let Le Pen win now instead of in five years? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Jeroen Dijsselbloem is still called a social democrat in the local media. The trick is to present what would be considered far right wing policy 20 years ago as somehow "left" so people then draw the conclusion that they should vote extreme right to get rid of them. Obama similarly isn't in any objective way a leftist either, but they call him that all the time so the reaction to his policy came in the form of an extreme rightist.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:So what's the conclusion then?? People should just stand aside and let Le Pen win now instead of in five years? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. No, the conclusion is we're hosed. It might happen now or it might happen later. Either way, we're all hosed in the name of greed.
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Phlegmish posted:Just what on earth is a 0-hour contract? Slavery? Here is a picture of Stalin: 
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Gort posted:And the resulting rush to non-automated jobs from automated ones will drive the pay for the non-automated jobs into the ground. Everyone loses, except the one who owns the automation. I have already begun to stock up on old oil cans to corner the market on door-to-door robot lubrication
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Hey you shitheads, Pluskut is right, stop fretting about how five years of Macron will serve the fascists' interests It all depends on us and our efforts to create a strong left-wing opposition. 5 years of Hollande brought 1 million votes to Le Pen, and 3 million to Mélenchon. We can do this! Flowers For Algeria fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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It's insanely good to make le pen win, because that will show those bankers you don't like them (never mind the beurs, blacks, gays, women, left, rest of the EU, refugees, etc.)
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Yes, I'm sure "5 years of agitation" really means voting Le Pen and that this is not actually a fantasy from someone whose understanding of politics is anglosphere nonsense.
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jBrereton posted:It's insanely good to make le pen win, because that will show those bankers you don't like them (never mind the beurs, blacks, gays, women, left, rest of the EU, refugees, etc.) You might be surprised by the skin colors and sexual orientations of some of the people who criticise Macron.
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