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Koopa Kid posted:Yeah you're right Lamoriello has never made a bad move *sweeps list of every NJD roster from 2010 to now under the rug* 2014*
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JawKnee posted:it's worrying because the canucks are definitely going to be bad next year. Is management going to try and push another 'new coach, win now!' narrative? Or even a 'retooling on the fly' narrative? Or will they be honest and accept that this is the last season of the Sedins, and that the team is in desperate need of top-line talent? Rest assured. they'll spinning this to be a "play the kids" thing. Willie balked when they shifted gears with two months to go this season and suddenly insisted that he give primo icetime to the youngsters after telling him their goal was the playoffs at all cost up to that point. So Green will be brought in with a mantra of "younger/faster/other empty epithets" and will be expected to pump up the kids as much as possible. As terrible as this management group is, I think they've finally started to realizing people are okay with some poor play if there's hope for tomorrow. It comes several seasons too late, but I think this is a genuine shift towards a rebuild (although they'll be the first to leap at a perceived shortcut if there is even the slightest bit of positivity early on). With that said, part of the reason the Leafs' rebuild worked so well was because of Babcock. Bringing in that firm, reliable hand that won't be under the microscope really helps take the pressure of the struggles of the kids. It also helped separate the wheat from the chaff because it was apparent that Babs was doling out his icetime appropriately and no one was being under/over used. Anyone that didn't get a regular shot didn't deserve it. The Leafs finished dead last last year, but there wasn't any of the resulting hysterics that comes from the a terrible season like that. For Babs it was just another season, and he never let things get out of hand. With a rookie coach the Canucks are once again throwing the kids to the wolves and hoping for the best. If Green can be a steadying influence and make sensible, forward thinking decisions that take attention away from the inevitable growing pains of this group then he's done a fantastic job. However, this reeks of the Oilers calling up yet another rookie coach and hoping this time everything works out then panicking when there aren't immediate dividends. It's not the worst hire, but I'm hardly thrilled.
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JawKnee posted:it's worrying because the canucks are definitely going to be bad next year. Is management going to try and push another 'new coach, win now!' narrative? Or even a 'retooling on the fly' narrative? Or will they be honest and accept that this is the last season of the Sedins, and that the team is in desperate need of top-line talent? I just want a coach who demonstrates capable deployment. The Sedins are getting shelled by a top line deployment. They've proven themselves. Give them second line and offensive shift deployment, lower their minutes played, don't ever put them on the PK. Willie deserved to get fired for pointlessly overplaying them in of itself. They can be leaders and protected, they've earned it. e: I also really don't care about a crappy season if the coach demonstrates a willingness to not be stubborn and conservative
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Heliogabalos posted:I just want a coach who demonstrates capable deployment. The Sedins are getting shelled by a top line deployment. They've proven themselves. Give them second line and offensive shift deployment, lower their minutes played, don't ever put them on the PK. Willie deserved to get fired for pointlessly overplaying them in of itself. They can be leaders and protected, they've earned it. Yeah, people dumped hard on the Sedins this year like it was their fault that they're aging in a predictable manner. The team has failed spectacularly to find any suitable replacements for them despite having ten years of them being the top line to do so. When they signed their extensions, I'm sure the expectation was they'd be a 2nd line/powerplay specialists at this point. Instead they took the heavy matchups and were essentially worn to dust by January. Hopefully Green recognizes that and doesn't make the same mistakes Willie did by throwing them out against top pairings every single game. With that said, even if we end up with one of the top-2 in the draft there are no players available to take over a first line role today so they'll be out there playing 19+ minutes a night again next year entirely out of necessity I imagine.
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JawKnee posted:it's worrying because the canucks are definitely going to be bad next year. Is management going to try and push another 'new coach, win now!' narrative? Or even a 'retooling on the fly' narrative? Or will they be honest and accept that this is the last season of the Sedins, and that the team is in desperate need of top-line talent? I'm just hoping that ownership can be patient and commit to spending a few years rebuilding. I don't see the Canucks record getting much better next season (which is a good thing to get a high pick in 2018) and ticket sales will probably be pretty cold. Aqualini needs suck it up and accept a down period. It sounds like they are more open to a rebuild period based on what some of the well connected local reporters are saying but I'll believe it when I see it. My real concern is if the Canucks manage to have a bounce back season. I don't trust them to not just say "Well, looks like the rebuild is done. Time to make moves to win now."
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I think a bounce back season is going to be wishful thinking. Miller might get resigned, and despite my criticism of him over the last couple years he's been a good goalie. If we can get him for one year on the cheap that would be great. But I think it'll probably be Markstrom starting next season and... I don't see him being good enough to carry the team. Besides that our top scorers currently are going to be Horvat, Baerschi, Granlund, Sutter, and 'top' here means 'maybe 20 goals each'. Canucks don't have the offensive talent to blow out opponents, and don't have the goaltending to reliably win low-scoring games. With Tryampkin leaving it's more likely we'll see Gudbranson and maybe Juolevi playing, so D seems to be a wash (I like our D, despite Sbisa and Gudbranson). The team is hosed, and I hope they're hosed enough to grab 31st overall next year, as boring as another losing year of hockey would be. JawKnee fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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I don't think the Canucks are ever going to rebuild while the Sedins are still there. This is my assessment on why the Canucks are a bad organization.
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Agreed, at the very least due to their cap hit. They did even worse this year than I was expecting (I think I said they might not break 70 pts each this year; only Hank even hit 50 on the nose), and I doubt either breaks 60 points next year. Maybe they do better with super sheltered deployment, and 1st line PP time - but I think it's gonna be the Baerschi - Horvat - ??? show next season.
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ThinkTank posted:Yeah, people dumped hard on the Sedins this year like it was their fault that they're aging in a predictable manner. The team has failed spectacularly to find any suitable replacements for them despite having ten years of them being the top line to do so. When they signed their extensions, I'm sure the expectation was they'd be a 2nd line/powerplay specialists at this point. Instead they took the heavy matchups and were essentially worn to dust by January. Hopefully Green recognizes that and doesn't make the same mistakes Willie did by throwing them out against top pairings every single game. b-b-b-ut our second line center, Brandon Sutter! seriously though, Tortorella broke the Sedins and they've never been the same; Willie used them only slightly, marginally less that Torts; caveat Duncan Keith. Imagine the trade bait they'd be if they had aged normally instead of the hockey deployment equivalent of HGPS.
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Also going to be really funny when Lu retires early and Canucks get stomped with recapture penalties https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/440982011251945472
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Apr 25, 2017 21:53
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They weren't that bad last year. I know they had crappy linemates most of this season, but as I've mentioned before, they also stopped trying...and at $7mil a year, that's deserves criticism.
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JawKnee posted:Also going to be really funny when Lu retires early and Canucks get stomped with recapture penalties could be worse https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/856586987960233985
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Chad Sexington posted:2014* Yeah they definitely planned to make the Finals once and then miss the playoffs entirely the year before and 5 consecutively afterwards. Not a total fluke at all and us neck beards just can't understand the 4D chess of losing all your good players, signing old mediocre ones, and making lovely draft picks.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:58
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Now post the recapture penalties for Hossa.
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Oh also the Canucks need to resign Horvat, so either they need Vegas to take Sbisa or Sutter (or some other expensive player) off their hands, resign Miller REAL cheap, or dump Miller or a bunch of other RFAs/UFAs (please be Gudbranson, just take the loss) because I bet Bo is gonna pull north of 4m
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Cap recapture is a really good microcosm of the NHL's obsession with retributive justice and how nonsensical it can get.
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NHL will someday learn that if you leave a loophole in anything it'll get exploited.
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Now I'm really hoping one of those enormous recapture penalties gets triggered, and the team is forced to dump a key player (or 2 or 3) to get under the cap. Preferably the Canucks in 2021, just as they've rebuilt into a contender 
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Ceyton posted:Now I'm really hoping one of those enormous recapture penalties gets triggered, and the team is forced to dump a key player (or 2 or 3) to get under the cap. realistically if it comes down to it the players are just going to hang out on ltir without officially retiring for however many years. pronger got into the hhof and a job at nhl headquarters while still being an "active" player
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Cap recapture is very, very good in this Blues fan's opinion
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The cap recapture contracts will be Prongered, particularly if try league stays commited to keeping the Coyotes, Fancy Cats and Hurricanes where they are
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ThinkTank posted:I once tried to figure out what the Canucks roster would be like if Jim Benning had never been hired and they'd just employed an intern to resign RFAs for what they got in real life and just drafted the highest ranked player on the ISS list in the first round each time. No other trades or signings would take place and all players would walk the moment they hit unrestricted free agency. The team was substantially better than the one you see today. PPP's "Who's a better GM: Dave Nonis or a potato" theory strikes again!
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Apr 25, 2017 22:23
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I still think the NHL wimps out on recapture penalties, especially the Weber one. They backed down on the NJ Kovalchuck punishment that wasn't even as bad.
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nature6pk posted:The cap recapture contracts will be Prongered, particularly if try league stays commited to keeping the Coyotes, Fancy Cats and Hurricanes where they are Those penalties go to their original teams mostly.
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Does Calgary have anything like that? Like are we paying Wideman until 2019 or something even though his deal expires in like 2 months?
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DJExile posted:Oh Holmgren post the Jeff Carter one Thanks LA for voiding Richards' deal
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Thufir posted:I still think the NHL wimps out on recapture penalties, especially the Weber one. They backed down on the NJ Kovalchuck punishment that wasn't even as bad. agreed, especially if it comes down to later retirements with higher per year penalties
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Late to the Travis Green party but does anyone know if he liked Subban? Is there any chance we see him on a call up for Vancouver? I never get to watch Utica games but his offensive numbers seem nice for a team that has none.
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my limited understanding was he didn't put Subban on PP1, and didn't utilize him as much as other D-men.
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I get not using him as much in ES because of his size but not using him on PP1 seems especially stupid.
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The NHL isn't actually going to let a recapture penalty take effect. There's no good business reason for them to go ahead (in fact it would negatively affect several of their largest markets) so they'll get quietly swept aside sometime in the next few years.
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ThinkTank posted:The NHL isn't actually going to let a recapture penalty take effect. There's no good business reason for them to go ahead (in fact it would negatively affect several of their largest markets) so they'll get quietly swept aside sometime in the next few years. I'm sure they'll probably get swept under the rug in 2019's regularly scheduled lockout.
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I wonder if Chris Cuthbert ever comes on his partner's face and says, "Oh, did you see that?"
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Mike Works posted:I wonder if Chris Cuthbert ever comes on his partner's face and says, "Oh, did you see that?" 
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Apparently Mitch Marner had mono towards the end of the year, which explains some things
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Koopa Kid posted:Apparently Mitch Marner had mono towards the end of the year, which explains some things I thought he was just bored.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I thought he was just bored. Game on!
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ThinkTank posted:The NHL isn't actually going to let a recapture penalty take effect. There's no good business reason for them to go ahead (in fact it would negatively affect several of their largest markets) so they'll get quietly swept aside sometime in the next few years. Not letting the players get more than the 50% split that was bargained for in the CBA seems like a good business reason to me? GMs might not like it but it will save the owners money in player salaries in the long run
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