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Can someone explain to me the problems with bird cage other than pacing?
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Apr 25, 2017 22:49
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Why didn't everyone turn 90 degrees and slide through the birdcage sideways
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Apr 25, 2017 22:50
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Not everyone has the same body type
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Apr 25, 2017 22:51
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Darth Walrus posted:Well, he did put up a pretty impressive show at Marineford (including literally taking Oars Jr apart), so we did already know he was capable of handling himself in a brawl, even against absurdly powerful enemies. Cutting off Oars's leg was impressive, but since Doffy himself didn't get hit in the war it still maintained the impression of him being a glass cannon type who would rely on strategy and manipulation in exchange for being weaker in a physical fight.
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Apr 25, 2017 22:58
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honestly I never had that impression and idk why anyone would ever think a big bad like a shichibukai wouldn't put up a big fight. it being close or even in doffy's favor before gear 4 is totally fine imo the haki thing was dumb tho and gear 4 should have just pasted him then and there since that was luffy's big post time skip powerup
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Apr 25, 2017 23:03
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You can still have a big fight without having to make the villain physically equal to Luffy. Look at Crocodile, he was clearly inferior to Luffy in physical strength once Luffy figured out the water weakness, but he still managed to win their second fight thanks to his ability, and the third fight still had tension thanks to the time limit and poison hook. Doffy should have been a similar "puzzle" fight, and it started off like that with the clever Shambles + Red Hawk trick, but after that he just started tanking attacks one after the other with virtually no signs of weakening until G4, and even that took two rounds to finish him off. Almost feels like Oda gave him a buff just because he had to introduce Gear 4 at that point and needed a sufficiently strong villain to show it off.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:38
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Manatee Cannon posted:I don't think any of the priest fights were that good but there were some good jokes for the rescue party and chopper I love the fight with the priest with the big dog, and Zoro defeated it just by commanding it to sit.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:53
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Can someone explain to me the problems with bird cage other than pacing?
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Apr 26, 2017 00:05
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Yeah, the idea of the cage being something Zoro, the dude who just annihilated Doffy's second-in-command, couldn't cut is absurd, at least without it having some kind of repercussion on Doflamingo's part like the Gears' recoil. Also that he can't push it back with a bunch of other super strong dudes despite just cutting a mountain into little bits.
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Apr 26, 2017 00:48
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Yeah those are some real sticking points with the Birdcage, especially since there are ways to fix them. For example, the Birdcage could be cut but regenerated too quickly, halting it wouldn't work because it would grow new strings around the obstacle and continue cutting.
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Apr 26, 2017 01:33
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bird cage, in the long-term, exists to justify gear 4 being used in the arc so it can be established right before luffy starts targeting yonkou.
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Apr 26, 2017 01:38
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Yeah, but having Luffy gently caress up Doflamingo then deflating or whatever would still do that, instead of Luffy being up Doflamingo, deflating, having the TEN MINUTE
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Apr 26, 2017 01:48
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Not everyone has the same body type well except for the women
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Apr 26, 2017 01:49
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In One Piece, women are either Nami or grotesque.
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Apr 26, 2017 01:54
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anyway I honestly pulled the chute about 3/4ths (I guess?) through dressarosa because I was bored and didn't care about anything or anyone and realized I was only reading the manga because it was one piece it was a bad arc
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Apr 26, 2017 02:46
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Star Platinum posted:You can still have a big fight without having to make the villain physically equal to Luffy. Look at Crocodile, he was clearly inferior to Luffy in physical strength once Luffy figured out the water weakness, but he still managed to win their second fight thanks to his ability, and the third fight still had tension thanks to the time limit and poison hook. Doffy should have been a similar "puzzle" fight, and it started off like that with the clever Shambles + Red Hawk trick, but after that he just started tanking attacks one after the other with virtually no signs of weakening until G4, and even that took two rounds to finish him off. Almost feels like Oda gave him a buff just because he had to introduce Gear 4 at that point and needed a sufficiently strong villain to show it off. Croc also still did not go out in the third fight as he never bothered using his sand powers until he was too late to matter.
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Apr 26, 2017 02:49
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Which is more disappointing: Fishman Island or Dressrosa?
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Apr 26, 2017 02:49
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Waffleman_ posted:Which is more disappointing: Fishman Island or Dressrosa? fishman island totally after all that build up
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Apr 26, 2017 02:51
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too much hype surrounding this "pirate king" thing. it won't meet expectations.
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Apr 26, 2017 02:56
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Both were good. Skypiea was good too.
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Apr 26, 2017 02:56
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dressrosa/fishman island weren't bad but they def weren't good. they're just kinda there and then you get to something more interesting and forget they happened I read them both without having to wait for updates and they're ok with some standout moments, but way weaker than everything around them. skypiea was really strong at the beginning and end but meandered in the middle, but at its worst it was still on par with most of the best stuff in those other two arcs imo
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Apr 26, 2017 02:59
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lol you guys remind me of that scene from american psycho with the business cards.
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Apr 26, 2017 03:01
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I loved fishman island idk what you guys are talking about
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Apr 26, 2017 03:16
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mabels big day posted:I loved fishman island idk what you guys are talking about It's reverse mountain with more foreshadowing (due to what was about to happen), so people attributed a shitload more meaning to the location than was ever intended for it and got upset when it turned out to just be the gateway to bigger poo poo that it was always meant to be. Arc had a couple of issues but was largely fun.
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Apr 26, 2017 03:19
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Oh Snapple! posted:It's reverse mountain with more foreshadowing (due to what was about to happen), so people attributed a shitload more meaning to the location than was ever intended for it and got upset when it turned out to just be the gateway to bigger poo poo that it was always meant to be. there's also the fact that oda talked about the arc outside of the manga and specifically heralded it as the halfway point years in advance and then it just ends up being this really basic fantasy racism story with a super nothing villain who goes down like a chump it honestly wouldn't have stuck out to me as much without oda talking it up
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Apr 26, 2017 03:28
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Waffleman_ posted:Which is more disappointing: Fishman Island or Dressrosa? I wouldn't say either was disappointing, just more flawed than other arcs. How can you be disappointed by Senior Pink v Franky? Or Fishman Island's most interesting motivation of all the villains in One Piece?
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Apr 26, 2017 03:31
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it's there to set up some things for the future and show how much the crew has grown. the part where luffy knocks out like 50k people at once was cool I wish hachi had a bigger role in it than showing up late to set up more of the blood transfusion stuff
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Apr 26, 2017 03:32
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Waffleman_ posted:In One Piece, women are either Nami or grotesque. 
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Apr 26, 2017 03:32
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Gyges posted:I wouldn't say either was disappointing, just more flawed than other arcs. I can still be overall disappointed in an arc that otherwise has cool things (though I'll strongly disagree as to the Fishman Island villains motivation being interesting)
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Apr 26, 2017 03:35
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Waffleman_ posted:In One Piece, women are either Nami or grotesque. 
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Apr 26, 2017 04:04
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The first Skypeia priest who could use his mantra to predict Luffy's punch was going to be blinding pain was the best.
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Apr 26, 2017 04:05
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fishman island was awful aside from the fisher tiger flashback, which was amazing. dressrosa was in general better, but was just kinda mediocre and had waaaay to many characters that nobody gave a poo poo about, but also didn't have one super highlight moment like the flashback so eh to them both. post-timeskip has generally been way more hit or miss than pre, but zou through to now has been knockout over and over. i think oda struggled a bit right after the timeskip as the whitebeard war saga from shabondy through to the timeskip was such a high point in every sense, probably the best arcs of the entire manga and emotionally it was huge, and then there was just mediocrity for a while thereafter, but i think he's got a good handle on things now
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Apr 26, 2017 05:23
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Skypeia owned from start to finish and only improves on a reread. New island, new villains, new technology, you could almost call it the promised romanticism. I knew BB wasn't a regular mook the first time he opened his mouth. I saw that coming. What I didn't see coming was how Luffy was going to deal with Enel. My favorite insane theory over the years was that Devil Fruit could evolve into more powerful versions of themselves, and doing so turns them into nuts the next time around. And the Devil Fruit are heavily linked to the legacy of D, possibly created by the original D in the lost century. The original name the WG called them was the D's Evil Fruit. This entire comic has been a long setup for someone to show us the power of D's nuts.
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Apr 26, 2017 05:36
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Fishman Island was a good reread, I think it flowed pretty well and really showed off how much the crew had grown. Zoro loving up Hody was also fantastic. Even on a reread Dressrosa is still pretty long, but it's still really good, I love the Doflamingo pirates and I think having Doffy as a guy that just would not go down showed how powerful the Shichibukai could be, like letting us see how powerful Mihawk can be, but also how monstrously strong Luffy has become. Doffy getting annihilated by Gear 4 is still so good, as well as most of the Coliseum guys, Bartholomew especially. The bird cage was a big problem, but I think Oda wanted a really big emotional ending like with Alabasta. Having the people of Dressrosa being at complete despair and relying completely on Luffy did work well with Gatz's final countdown and convincing the people to not lose hope. Everything about the country had been completely shattered very quickly after Sugar went down. It's some powerful stuff, but goddamn it's a journey and a half getting there and the birdcage is still super dumb. Skypeia was also a really cool adventure that feels so different to the rest of the manga that I love it. Wish the dial stuff had been utilised more, that stuff was rad.
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Apr 26, 2017 05:51
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Dressrosa had a billion things going on at once and was just too big, which created pacing problems. And then the final fight got dragged on for a while as well. I still liked it better than Punk Hazard though.
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Apr 26, 2017 06:24
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mabels big day posted:I loved fishman island idk what you guys are talking about I love parts of fishman island, but it feels like a bad mix of a cool story Oda wanted to tell and the thing every shonen feels has to do where after a timeskip they show off all the guys' new skills. So like, Fisher Tiger and his story owns, but having all of Hordy's lackies built up as a threat for the crew to show off instead of just Hordy, the cool octosword guy, and the camouflage master not so much. Hell, even Hordy feels hella contrived, like Zoro beat him in one hit, probably could have done the same to roid rage Hordy but it had to be Luffy fighting him because
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Apr 26, 2017 08:11
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So both?
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Apr 26, 2017 08:13
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Oh Snapple! posted:rebecca got to hold a cute birthday party for her dad and im glad of it Oda draws the best Ugly Crying.
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Apr 26, 2017 12:51
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Last Celebration posted:I love parts of fishman island, but it feels like a bad mix of a cool story Oda wanted to tell and the thing every shonen feels has to do where after a timeskip they show off all the guys' new skills. So like, Fisher Tiger and his story owns, but having all of Hordy's lackies built up as a threat for the crew to show off instead of just Hordy, the cool octosword guy, and the camouflage master not so much. Hell, even Hordy feels hella contrived, like Zoro beat him in one hit, probably could have done the same to roid rage Hordy but it had to be Luffy fighting him because On the other hand, that chapter that is 19 pages of the Strawhats just shitstomping those guys right in a row is one of my favorite single chapters in the series.
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Apr 26, 2017 13:01
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I stopped reading One piece during both Fishman island and Dressrosa because I lost interest. Hordy was just a poo poo villain and I didn't really care about Law. The editors deserve some of the blame, because there was just too much going on at once. One piece usually does frantic fairly well, but when it starts to drag it gets tedious really fast. The art is more relaxed now, when it needs to be. In any story like this there is a turning point where the hero goes from country bumpkin to famous rebel... and very often authors are unable to keep it interesting. In One Piece the turning point was probably the execution of Ace. The current arc is interesting mainly for three reasons: 1. Luffy actually owns up to his reputation. He's straight up challenging an emperor now and that's where he needs to be. And it does that without trying to turn Luffy into this prophesied saviour-like figure. 2. It feels honest. What I mean by that is that Oda is managing to add depth to members of the crew, without changing who they are. We know Sanji likes the ladies, we know how stubborn and reckless Luffy can be, we know Sanji and Nami have an interesting relationship. The current arc manages to showcase all of this, because it is story driven. A good storyline doesn't need artificial time limits, asspulls or characters going full grimdark to be exciting. 3. The crew remains central, I care way more about Sanji than Law or some other princess-in-distress that I knew nothing about before. I can understand the fun in introducing new characters, but whatever is going on should always be personally relevant to at least one of the crew. Piriwi fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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