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I thought that the reason that Romanization of Chinese words looked bizarre because most of them were translated into Cyrillic first, and THEN into the Roman alphabet
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simplefish posted:I always love it when people say 'b-b-b-but j/q/x doesn't make that sound!' And it's like 'well yeah, in English maybe. In pinyin it makes the sound that it makes there.' Most (all?) pinyin letter sounds can be found in use in languages other than English.
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Apr 26, 2017 04:07
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Nah it's just that Pinyin was designed as a literacy aid for Chinese people, not for English speakers to learn Chinese. The people Pinyin is intended for have no prior knowledge of or phonemic association with Roman letters. The fact that it can also be useful for foreign learners is just a side effect. I wonder if there will be issues with Pinyin now that Chinese parents are sending infants to English school. If you learned the alphabet for English sounds first it becomes less useful. My guess is they just don't learn anything or will use Pinyin sounds in English rather than the other way around.
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Ah, I remember telling little kids that English isn't pinyin. And then there was that kid on the bus between Wuwei and Yanqiao who saw me reading something on my phone and shouted to his mom "怎么都的拼音！“
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Apr 26, 2017 04:11
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Fojar38 posted:I thought that the reason that Romanization of Chinese words looked bizarre because most of them were translated into Cyrillic first, and THEN into the Roman alphabet Actually for a lot of stuff Portuguese was the first language a lot of stuff was romanized into cuz Portuguese jesuits were the first people who got there and did that stuff (Matteo Ricci and his bros). A lot of that was based on transcribing Portuguese and 1500-1600s era Cantonese back and forth which is why a lot of older stuff is weird. Many modern Mandarin Biblical names are extra crazy for this reason since they retained the same characters Portuguese priests used to transcribe them into Cantonese but are now pronounced in modern Mandarin which leads to a lot of people going "????" when you hear this or that thing. Paul is "Bao Luo", for instance. The real issue with wade giles' use in Taiwan is that it's one of many systems they use so there's no consistency there. If it was always wade giles it'd be a lot easier to deal with. They'll probably never officially adopt Pinyin as a standard for political reasons, so we'll probably just live with inconsistent "postal" names for things there. Ailumao fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Apr 26, 2017 04:16
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They already did adopt it, just that some things were decided to not change over because they became too well known, like Taipei and Kaohsiung.
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Apr 26, 2017 04:22
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GoutPatrol posted:They already did adopt it, just that some things were decided to not change over because they became too well known, like Taipei and Kaohsiung. Yeah, and that makes sense. It's just more an annoyance for language weirdos like me than a real problem as everyone in Taiwan reads the characters anyway. Is it commonly used everywhere now, though? When I was last there a few years ago even street signs, station names, and whatnot were kind of randomly between Hanyu Pinyin/WadeGiles/Tongyong/etc...
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Apr 26, 2017 04:28
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big time bisexual posted:the talk about cheap coffee reminded me of the best part of the Chi Mak espionage case That was an ok read thanks for the link.
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Apr 26, 2017 04:46
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Weeee! China's second aircraft carrier gets wet. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-39715228 quote:China has launched a new aircraft carrier, boosting its military presence amid rising tensions in the region.
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Apr 26, 2017 05:44
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lol 2020. I chuckle every time I read or hear that year now thanks to like a decade or more of it being the prophesied date of China's inevitable rise to global superpower status. Everything in china will be done or good or fixed or better by 2020, give or take. if not, just have a rest.
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Apr 26, 2017 05:48
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oohhboy posted:Weeee! China's second aircraft carrier gets wet. I'm sort of disappointed that they didn't at least try moving away from the Soviet design and attempt a CATOBAR carrier. Then again, their sailors are probably happy that they are not surrounded by locally made high pressure steam pipes.
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Apr 26, 2017 05:52
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Magna Kaser posted:Yeah, and that makes sense. It's just more an annoyance for language weirdos like me than a real problem as everyone in Taiwan reads the characters anyway. Alot of the places outside of the big cities still haven't changed. I can see the street on my drive to work change from zh to j once I cross the district line. But the official thing is switching to pinyin.
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Apr 26, 2017 05:57
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Blistex posted:I'm sort of disappointed that they didn't at least try moving away from the Soviet design and attempt a CATOBAR carrier. Then again, their sailors are probably happy that they are not surrounded by locally made high pressure steam pipes. But hot water is healthy.
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Blistex posted:I'm sort of disappointed that they didn't at least try moving away from the Soviet design and attempt a CATOBAR carrier. Then again, their sailors are probably happy that they are not surrounded by locally made high pressure steam pipes. Their next one will be; it's already under construction. Re: transcriptions in Taiwan, I always figured part of the weirdness was that some of them were using Taiwanese pronunciation instead of Mandarin
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Apr 26, 2017 06:03
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Pirate Radar posted:Their next one will be; it's already under construction. I just searched for a mockup and found this...  While I know that there are only so many variations/designs for aircraft carriers, and copying a proven design makes sense, it's just a never ending supply of  to see that China has almost literally created nothing original with regards to military equipment.
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Apr 26, 2017 06:14
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By 2020, I will enjoy eating broccoli.
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Apr 26, 2017 06:28
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Hating broccoli is genetic.
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Apr 26, 2017 06:30
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It's really loving funny that China is building carriers even though it has zero strategic use for them whatsoever
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Apr 26, 2017 06:32
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Blistex posted:I just searched for a mockup and found this...
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Apr 26, 2017 06:39
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Fojar38 posted:It's really loving funny that China is building carriers even though it has zero strategic use for them whatsoever Each carrier a nation has adds +1 to it's great power score. By 2020 china will have enough GP points to claim the title and the world have to give it the respect it deserves.
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Apr 26, 2017 06:44
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Take some soviet hull design and slap some small wings on it, fill it up with engines and hardware from the 80s and 90s (that you have to import). It's a next generation electronic warfare jet. Fly it close to US planes that patrol near your artificial islands and have your pilots hurl profanities over radio. Head home and declare victory.
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Apr 26, 2017 06:47
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Baronjutter posted:lol 2020. I chuckle every time I read or hear that year now thanks to like a decade or more of it being the prophesied date of China's inevitable rise to global superpower status. Everything in china will be done or good or fixed or better by 2020, give or take. if not, just have a rest. whenever you come across a 2020 goal, add to the compendium here: http://www.reddit.com/r/China2020
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Blistex posted:I just searched for a mockup and found this... Hey, if it ain't broke...
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Apr 26, 2017 06:49
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drat check out this poor guy's situationquote:I currently live in China with my Wife and Baby Son. They are both Chinese Citizens; I am British
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Apr 26, 2017 06:54
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Pham Nuwen posted:What's the tradeoff when the broccoli is full of heavy metals from the soil, though? Forge a dagger and highjack the next plane outta there. peanut posted:BIG BROCCOLI LOBBY Mods, requesting name change.
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big time bisexual posted:drat check out this poor guy's situation 
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big time bisexual posted:drat check out this poor guy's situation Good luck, buddy.
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Apr 26, 2017 07:33
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they start so young  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj1kFzUnWVw
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What's our bar on "I wish I hadn't watched that" videos? I just got linked a vid where someone has an argument about money (of course) and retaliates by following their son onto a bus and stabbing him 12 times before the bus driver intervenes. On a lighter note: Can anyone tell me why some Chinese characters have multiple readings? I just found out that in Cantonese you can say 說 as seui as in 說服 (seui fuk, convince), and syut as in 說明 (syut ming, explain). Was there one pronunciation that diverged based on meaning (words with 說 as seui all have to do with persuasion), or did it exist first and just got "mapped" to this character because "eh, it's still a kind of speaking, use that one"?
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Apr 26, 2017 09:06
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Clicking that reddit link led me to r/hapas -  is going on in that subreddit? It looks like a bunch of half Asian guys who absolutely hate themselves and resent their parents for ever having given birth to them?
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Apr 26, 2017 09:33
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Bardeh posted:Clicking that reddit link led me to r/hapas - It /r/incel for Asians. If you liked that there's also /r/asianmasculinity.
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Bardeh posted:Clicking that reddit link led me to r/hapas - Why are you so confused, that's exactly what it is.
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Imperialist Dog posted:What's our bar on "I wish I hadn't watched that" videos? I just got linked a vid where someone has an argument about money (of course) and retaliates by following their son onto a bus and stabbing him 12 times before the bus driver intervenes. Characters developed alongside ancient, written Chinese which was pretty far removed from any spoken form of Chinese in the last several hundred years at least. Given that wide gap, the reason why a character has 1-??? readings is gonna be a little different for every word, and even every form of Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese, Wu, etc...) Like for those to examples you shared, both words exist in Mandarin and have the same meaning, and the 說 can actually be pronounced differently in 說服 as well with shuo1 being one, shui4 being the alternative. I looked it up and it said the seui (Cantonese)/shui4 (Mandarin) reading is based on the ancient Chinese reading of the word, where the other one （syut/shuo1） is just using the more modern and common pronunciation of the character in it's place. The article was clear that both should be considered correct, though.
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Nanomashoes posted:Why are you so confused, that's exactly what it is. It was just the level of self-loathing that took me by surprise I guess. quote:I just shrugged the insult away as i thought she didn't see me wanting to talk. Anyway no problem i got other people to chat with however after the a while the crowd at the table started to disperse and i decided to give the asian woman a second chance and tried to talked with her again only to hear her yelling at me "I don't date asian guys can't you guys stop being creepy!?" After that she promply tried to squeeze herself between two white dudes on the couch(not really a surprise here lol) who refused to give her space. I could feel the people in the room watching and listening to us. quote:Great job. You played it well. You called her out on the spot in front of everybody. That's what you gotta do with these Asian women. 
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Bardeh posted:It was just the level of self-loathing that took me by surprise I guess. Classic greentext.
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Brits dont make families, they make babies. Case in point ops story that and his post history. He is probably a loving loser and she wants to get away. Evidence. British loving moron asking simple visa question. Wife is bailing. (from reddit post above)
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Apr 26, 2017 10:05
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to be fair, about the only good thing you can say about the british is they're not irish
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Stringent posted:to be fair, about the only good thing you can say about the british is they're not irish Except that one bit.
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big time bisexual posted:drat check out this poor guy's situation quote:Why do so many foreigners in China marry the first girl who take their virginity, just why? That's why poo poo like this happens, they get their dick wet for the first time in their life (probably why most of them came to China in the first place), and give in to marriage after a month of dating the girl they are f*cking, 9 months later a new baby is born into this misery. 
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Bardeh posted:It was just the level of self-loathing that took me by surprise I guess. So either a) stdh or b) he's not the only one with a hefty cargo of self-loathing
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