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Ynglaur posted:I hate autocorrect. what I'm saying is that pants that fit will in fact stay up without a belt
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:what I'm saying is that pants that fit will in fact stay up without a belt What can I say: i need to lose a little.
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Jazerus posted:A couple of extra things in the "for" category here: it's a book by an emperor! We've only got one other of those, and while Meditations is interesting, it wasn't intended to be a published manuscript. So, the Etruscan history is a very unique piece while Whores would, in comparison, just be another piece of Suetonian salaciousness. Definitely interesting, but perhaps less informative than you'd think since Suetonius is deeply unreliable. Constantine Porphyrogenitus would like to have some extremely flowery words with you.
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Arglebargle III posted:I'm pretty sure the Montgolfier brothers had fire. Source?
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Hogge Wild posted:Source? fire was invented by jacques fiere, who lived in 16th century france, 200 years before the montgolfier brothers
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Plutarch posted:When the despots in Phocis had seized Delphi, and the Thebans were waging war against them in what has been called the Sacred War, the women devotees of Dionysus, to whom they give the name of Thyads, in Bacchic frenzy wandering at night unwittingly arrived at Amphissa. As they were tired out, and sober reason had not yet returned to them, they flung themselves down in the market-place, and were lying asleep, some here, some there. The wives of the men of Amphissa, fearing, because their city had become allied with the Phocians, and numerous soldiers of the despots were present there, that the Thyads might be treated with indignity, all ran out into the market-place, and, taking their stand round in silence, did not go up to them while they were sleeping, but when they arose from their slumber, one devoted herself to one of the strangers and another to another, bestowing attentions on them and offering them food. Finally, the women of Amphissa, after winning the consent of their husbands, accompanied the strangers, who were safely escorted as far as the frontier. I can only imagine what that conversation between the men of Amphissa and their wives must have been like. "Uh, babe, come look, there's a bunch of drunk holy women passed out all over the city. Maybe we should help them?"
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Anyone know something (anything, really, I have no idea where to start) that goes over historical coastlines and rivers in antiquity, especially outside of Europe? Like how the Persian Gulf near Mesopotamia used to go farther in, or how the Bohai Sea near Beijing has gotten bigger, the Yellow River changed course dramatically, the Nile had a different number of estuaries and so on. Is there something that goes over a lot of that?
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fantastic in plastic posted:I can only imagine what that conversation between the men of Amphissa and their wives must have been like. "Uh, babe, come look, there's a bunch of drunk holy women passed out all over the city. Maybe we should help them?" Sounds pretty similar to living near a college campus in smalll town.
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Tunicate posted:They had silk I would kind of like to see Rome spend the equivalent of the F35 budget on making a hot air balloon out of silk.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:43
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OwlFancier posted:I would kind of like to see Rome spend the equivalent of the F35 budget on making a hot air balloon out of silk. Combat effectiveness would probably be pretty similar.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:49
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The Lone Badger posted:Combat effectiveness would probably be pretty similar. The hot air balloon would at least have vertical take off .
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Hey Ancient History thread! My mom's looking for a decent pop-history book on the Punic Wars. Do y'all have any recommendations? She's particularly interested in accounts of Hannibal's march into Italy. I hope this hasn't been discussed lately, but I'm approximately 500 pages behind on this thread.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Hey Ancient History thread! My mom's looking for a decent pop-history book on the Punic Wars. Do y'all have any recommendations? She's particularly interested in accounts of Hannibal's march into Italy. Goldsworthy's The Punic Wars
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Cyrano4747 posted:Whores. Who said the famous whores were women?
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Universe Master posted:Who said the famous whores were women? Tfw, it's mostly a bio about Julius Caesar's early life.
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JaucheCharly posted:Tfw, it's mostly a bio about Julius Caesar's early life. It turns about that being a whore and being a politician are quite similar. Skills from one easily transfer to the other. On this I'm sure the ancients would agree with the moderns.
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JaucheCharly posted:Tfw, it's mostly a bio about Julius Caesar's early life. Basically a bunch of Caesar/Nicomedes fan fiction.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Hey Ancient History thread! My mom's looking for a decent pop-history book on the Punic Wars. Do y'all have any recommendations? She's particularly interested in accounts of Hannibal's march into Italy. Livy's Ab Urbe Condita is pretty good and has remained pop-history for 2,000 years. As for my own question, having read McCullough's second book: was Sulla really as bad as she makes out, i.e. an actual murderer and guy who slept with his stepmum?
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Sulla was the roman that killed more romans up to that point. He had a huge boner for revenge and mass murdering his enemies, so yeah, he probably deserves a bit of bad rep. Heck, even in HBO's Rome there's a small joke about him. Are those books any good, by the way?
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Angry Lobster posted:Sulla was the roman that killed more romans up to that point. He had a huge boner for revenge and mass murdering his enemies, so yeah, he probably deserves a bit of bad rep. Heck, even in HBO's Rome there's a small joke about him. They're good, but they're not as good as the people who like them think they are, if that makes sense. Her biggest problem is that she has characters she likes and characters she doesn't like. (She likes Marius, until Caesar comes along, doesn't like Sulla, likes Caesar, doesn't like Pompey or Cato, likes Octavian, doesn't like Marcus Antonius, etc), and tends to make the characters she likes pretty wonderful and the characters she doesn't like pretty horrible. You read it and you get the impression that the only reason anybody ever opposed Caesar was just out of pique, and that Octavian was a super-genius who had worked out pretty much all of Roman history in his head when he was born.
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I definitely wouldn't say she likes Octavian
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He is a super genius, though. It's also unlikely Aurelia Cotta was really a mob boss. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Sure, but he's also a finicky, cowardly little twat.
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Hamlet442 posted:Back to food. The idea of making some Roman foods sounds pretty interesting. Does anybody have any cookbooks that are authentic? Some quick Googling is giving me lots of Italian recipes or only delicacies like dormice and bird tongues. Picking up a thread from a few pages back, this weekend I made a batch of Apicius' Lucanian-style sausages:  Recipe (which I deviated from somewhat) here. Basically, grind the ingredients, stuff them, cold smoke overnight and finish by pan frying. The fish sauce worked great; it gave the sausages a little fermented funk. Next time I'll try grilling the sausages. Even better, I'll dry-cure them and make Roman salami.
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That sausage looks great.
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Epicurius posted:They're good, but they're not as good as the people who like them think they are, if that makes sense. Her biggest problem is that she has characters she likes and characters she doesn't like. (She likes Marius, until Caesar comes along, doesn't like Sulla, likes Caesar, doesn't like Pompey or Cato, likes Octavian, doesn't like Marcus Antonius, etc), and tends to make the characters she likes pretty wonderful and the characters she doesn't like pretty horrible. You read it and you get the impression that the only reason anybody ever opposed Caesar was just out of pique, and that Octavian was a super-genius who had worked out pretty much all of Roman history in his head when he was born. The books remind me of ASOIAF. They're not very well written or edited, but she is fantastic at developing characters to the point it feels like you have actually met these people.
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Human activity in America, posssibly much earlier than what we thought.quote:Each and every scientific discovery sends a small ripple through academia – it changes what we know about the world around us in a fundamental but usually quite subtle way. A breathtaking new study in Nature, however, is more of a tidal wave, a revolution in the way we understand the story of humanity. Dalael fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Angry Lobster posted:Sulla was the roman that killed more romans up to that point. He had a huge boner for revenge and mass murdering his enemies, so yeah, he probably deserves a bit of bad rep. Heck, even in HBO's Rome there's a small joke about him. It's quite funny that Augustus was the heir of magnanimous Caesar but once in power acted a lot more like Sulla.
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130k years ago is a really really long time ago. Checking the wiki page, it isn't even universally agreed that Homo Sapiens had left Africa by then. Assuming the dating is accurate (the article makes the claim that the marks themselves were dated, not just the tusk, but I always thought you couldn't do that and that was one of the major weaknesses of dating technology) this is really cool. And in California too, not just the relatively easier to reach Alaska.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/04/mastodons-americas-peopling-migrations-archaeology-science/ Here's another article about the findings, advising us to not go crazy speculating until more substantial proof is produced. I don't know enough about any of this to judge who's more likely to be wrong/bullshitting, but maybe someone else in the thread is better informed 
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cheetah7071 posted:130k years ago is a really really long time ago. Checking the wiki page, it isn't even universally agreed that Homo Sapiens had left Africa by then. Assuming the dating is accurate (the article makes the claim that the marks themselves were dated, not just the tusk, but I always thought you couldn't do that and that was one of the major weaknesses of dating technology) this is really cool. And in California too, not just the relatively easier to reach Alaska. It'd certainly beat the general consensus about the Aborigines being in Australia for 40-60k years. Even the earliest estimate of their arrival is about 100k years ago.
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Im leaning towards the dating being hosed up, the issue with something that old and hell even stuff ~14,000 years old is that the coast lines and other areas where you would find signs or early habitation are now underwater which makes getting evidence difficult as hell. A reminder, its really hard to get agreement that humans were in the americas by anything around 14,000 due to lack if sites, so something that hard is not going to gain main stream traction. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Even if a group of hominids made it this far that early, it doesn't mean it was a mass migration either. Could be 2 dozen people who found their way there and soon died out.
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Dalael posted:Even if a group of hominids made it this far that early, it doesn't mean it was a mass migration either. Could be 2 dozen people who found their way there and soon died out. That would still mean that either Homo Erectus or whatever had oceanworthy boats or that they managed to trek from Siberia all the way to California, both of which would be pretty cool.
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:It's quite funny that Augustus was the heir of magnanimous Caesar but once in power acted a lot more like Sulla. Magnanimity didn't get Caesar especially far
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Pump it up! Do it! posted:It's quite funny that Augustus was the heir of magnanimous Caesar but once in power acted a lot more like Sulla. Yes he did, however he knew when to stop. He is what Machiavelli based a lot of his ideas off. He knew that he had to get rid of.ceerain enemies, but he then pulled back and became a nice guy, correctly ascertaining that the people would soon forget the bloody start.
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skasion posted:Magnanimity didn't get Caesar especially far
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Though it's Scipio that Machiavelli always says was a loving idiot for being too magnanimous, to the point of encouraging ill discipline.
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That's really old. I think they need some more evidence before making that claim. There's also this contingent in American archaeology really not sold on earlier dates despite ample evidence for pre-Clovis cultures, they're going to resist it.
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Grand Fromage posted:That's really old. I think they need some more evidence before making that claim. I've never really got what those people's deal was.
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