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Snak posted:Maybe not specifically dumb adults. Uninformed adults. He's preaching to people who agree with him but can't articulate why. I saw the episode about healing magnets and poo poo and it was straight out of Penn and Teller's Bullshit except Bill Nye didn't say the word bullshit. He even had a standup comic come on and call out using quasi-asian crap to lend legitimacy to things. Which now that I think of it seems like it couldn't be aimed at kids. Dude was legit pissed off the whole show, and while I totally get that, there's no audience for that that isn't already agreeing with him. Are there really people out there where they know magnets and crystals are bullshit but don't know why they think that? Probably. I guess?
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There are load of people who like or dislike things for purely contextual or emotionally reactionary reasons and can't articulate why they feel that way or why they should. These are types of people who can easily get sucked into bullshit. Like you grow up assuming that healing magnets are a scam (and you also think health insurance is a scam), but then your brother's uncle recovers from cancer while using healing magnets. Now you're a believer. Like, there are loads of people who have never thought about their opinions ever. They just have them as an inherent personality trait and they think that's fine. I haven't actually watched Bill Nye's new show, just some interviews and promotional material for it, which is what I was reading the tone from. So maybe I'm way off base.
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So what constitutes a non-smug delivery of "global warming is real and we should do something about it"? Because I've never heard the people who criticize this sort of thing say how it ought to be done.
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Maxwell Lord posted:So what constitutes a non-smug delivery of "global warming is real and we should do something about it"? Because I've never heard the people who criticize this sort of thing say how it ought to be done. I like this lady https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbmt_WeNBck quote:The problem, according to Dooley, when speaking of her fellow conservatives, is that “they've been brainwashed for decades into believing we're not damaging the environment.” As a result, Dooley speaks with her fellow conservatives about renewable energy in a political language conservatives respect, using phrases like energy freedom, energy choice, and national security.
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Maxwell Lord posted:So what constitutes a non-smug delivery of "global warming is real and we should do something about it"? Because I've never heard the people who criticize this sort of thing say how it ought to be done. I was only talking about the alt medicine one. I didn't see the global warming one, unless this is just a general question in which case I don't know. The effects of climate change are readily observable at this point solely on the level of "god drat that was the hottest summer ever and I can wear sandals in december". I don't know how you crack through the brainwashing it takes to still believe it's a hoax from china.
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No one in any position of power at this point thinks it's a hoax. Not truly deep down. They are literally playing the "gently caress you I got mine" card and not giving a poo poo over the piles of money they are getting from the fossil fuel industry. They argue the hoax to convince their supporters so they stay in power. The real problem is that they don't give a poo poo at all.
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Mu Zeta posted:I like this lady Right, in other words, set aside your ego for a few minutes and talk to your audience in their own terms, regardless of how you feel about them. It's essentially diplomacy, which starts with understanding where the other side is coming from regardless of how wrongheaded or dangerous you think they are. Nobody responds well to someone coming at them with the attitude of "you're dumb as dogshit and I'm here to ram real understanding down your ignorant throat".
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Josh Lyman posted:How do you unbrainwash someone? Very slowly and very carefully. It's not easy.
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precision posted:You don't remember the angels or the mascots? the angels but the mascots? I remember there being A mascot. IDK the details of this thing really faded for me. less laughter posted:This is grossly reductive and inaccurate Beep boop beep as my calculations prove
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Snak posted:There are load of people who like or dislike things for purely contextual or emotionally reactionary reasons and can't articulate why they feel that way or why they should. These are types of people who can easily get sucked into bullshit. Like you grow up assuming that healing magnets are a scam (and you also think health insurance is a scam), but then your brother's uncle recovers from cancer while using healing magnets. Now you're a believer. There are also a lot of people that are easily swayed using technobabble and scientific sounding words. Some even have "evidence" or arguments for their efficacy that on the surface looks and sounds good, but needs a little dissecting to see that they aren't correct.
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IRQ posted:I saw the episode about healing magnets and poo poo and it was straight out of Penn and Teller's Bullshit except Bill Nye didn't say the word bullshit. He even had a standup comic come on and call out using quasi-asian crap to lend legitimacy to things. Which now that I think of it seems like it couldn't be aimed at kids. Yeah, Bill Nye being kind of an rear end in a top hat has been an open secret for a long time. Like there was a relatively public incident a decade ago where he giving a presentation on the moon at a school and then out of nowhere was like "By the way, The Bible says that the moon makes light but it's actually just reflecting it from the sun. Check and mate, xians  " and then was baffled when people complained about him hamfistedly crowbarring religion into a lecture on a completely unrelated topic.
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Shageletic posted:Start with the first ep of the second season. The first has alot of eye-rollingly bad decisions (being shot by prostitutes while wearing armor). It's a smoothly dependably well acted drama focusing on a single theme of loss and regret. The writing is pretty good and the actors are great. Don't do literally any of this and just watch from the first season.
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I only remember Bill Nye from clips of his show when I was a kid. I just remember him explaining basic scientific topics and being really goofy while doing it. Has he changed his approach extensively?
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Now that he's buddy-buddy with Netflix maybe they can bring back Almost Live, the most Seattle thing ever made. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuIOGazSmHg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e6h4zLC5U8 -Blackadder- posted:I only remember Bill Nye from clips of his show when I was a kid. I just remember him explaining basic scientific topics and being really goofy while doing it. Has he changed his approach extensively? When old Bill Nye wanted to be cool he played golf with Samuel L Jackson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M78-7aqXGOA Now when Bill Nye wants to be cool he has the lady from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend say cusses and sing about "butt stuff" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8 Guy Mann fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Guy Mann posted:When old Bill Nye wanted to be cool he played golf with Samuel L Jackson I was gonna say "both of these things are cool" but then I watched the second video and I can admit when I'm wrong. I doubt the several thousand dislikes on that video are actually because it's bad though.
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Guy Mann posted:Yeah, Bill Nye being kind of an rear end in a top hat has been an open secret for a long time. Like there was a relatively public incident a decade ago where he giving a presentation on the moon at a school and then out of nowhere was like "By the way, The Bible says that the moon makes light but it's actually just reflecting it from the sun. Check and mate, xians Watching old clips of the show made me realize what the new show lacks: the sound effects, the narrator guy, not joking every two goddamn seconds, and no laugh tracking live studio audience.
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Hollismason posted:The Handmaids tale is loving intense. It is. poo poo should have been on Shudder. Is there a thread yet?
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achillesforever6 posted:He and NDT have this big problem in just letting poo poo go, not everything scientific is needed to be use as some slam on Christianity/religion. There are plenty of good scientists who have found ways to allow religion to conform in their lives. I have a few atheist friends and they become loving insufferable every time Nye and NDT do some new thing because we have to hear about how these two smart dudes have proved that God doesn't exist or some poo poo. We live in a time where Atheists are more annoying than Christians.
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Rhyno posted:I have a few atheist friends and they become loving insufferable every time Nye and NDT do some new thing because we have to hear about how these two smart dudes have proved that God doesn't exist or some poo poo. That's been true for a long time, although they're not nearly as dangerous since they spend all their time making smug quips about spaghetti monsters instead of influencing public policy. In defense of Nye / NDT, they have probably had to deal with their share of utter bullshit as two people who have made a career out of public speaking about science.
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It's also just kind of like... I imagine once you reach a certain point, you stop giving a poo poo who you're alienating or reaching and are just busy doing what you do. Like, Bill Nye obviously wants to reach some people, but he probably doesn't give a gently caress if he fails at reaching anyone who gets offended by his anti-religious comments. And I'm not saying that's right, or whatever, but I think it's understandable. Anti-science sentiment has literally doomed the entire planet, and tens of millions of people will die in my lifetime due to climate change.
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Snak posted:It's also just kind of like... I imagine once you reach a certain point, you stop giving a poo poo who you're alienating or reaching and are just busy doing what you do. Like, Bill Nye obviously wants to reach some people, but he probably doesn't give a gently caress if he fails at reaching anyone who gets offended by his anti-religious comments. Science gave us all the technology that lead to us dooming the planet. Check and mate  
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-Blackadder- posted:I only remember Bill Nye from clips of his show when I was a kid. I just remember him explaining basic scientific topics and being really goofy while doing it. Has he changed his approach extensively? You know how Neil Degrasse Tyson let it all go to his head and became kind of a bitchy teenager? Well Bill Nye too. I see I am not the first to make that comparison.
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*Steps into thread* Whoa. Is this D&D? *Checks thread title* Nope.  Shageletic posted:Start with the first ep of the second season. The first has alot of eye-rollingly bad decisions (being shot by prostitutes while wearing armor). It's a smoothly dependably well acted drama focusing on a single theme of loss and regret. The writing is pretty good and the actors are great. Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Don't do literally any of this and just watch from the first season. Agreed with Lick. Also I have never seen anyone label that spoilered part a "bad decision." Everything about Shag's post seems wrong except for "the actors are great." Also I like how IRQ never felt like explaining why The Leftover's premise was "insultingly stupid."
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Longbaugh01 posted:Also I have never seen anyone label that spoilered part a "bad decision." To be fair it's the (lazy and boring) way people who don't like The Leftovers criticize it as "bad", to the point where it's basically a meme of how "bad" the show is/was.
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The first few episodes weren't very compelling. Liz Tyler isn't good and lots of the side characters like the twins are annoying as hell. It builds up to one of the best seasons of TV ever (season 2).
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raditts posted:In defense of Nye / NDT, they have probably had to deal with their share of utter bullshit as two people who have made a career out of public speaking about science. And, while they might be a bit jerkish sometimes, they haven't broken from the strain like Dawkins did.
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Hollismason posted:The Handmaids tale is loving intense. Its soooo good. Speaking of Hulu related things, are any of their other originals any good? I haven't subbed it before today and I want to get what I can until Handmaid's Tale ends and I cancel it.
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Longbaugh01 posted:*Steps into thread* Whoa. Is this D&D? *Checks thread title* Nope.
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Is the SynIRC TV/IV channel still around? Tried a bunch of different names that didn't work and it doesn't seem to be listed. Edit: vvv Ah. That's a shame. Still seemed fairly active last year at one point. Thanks. Longbaugh01 fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Longbaugh01 posted:Is the SynIRC TV/IV channel still around? Tried a bunch of different names that didn't work and it doesn't seem to be listed. I was informed it was dead which is why I removed it. Everyone there said they moved to the Discord in the OP.
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Hollismason posted:The Handmaids tale is loving intense. For real. I watched the first three episodes in one sitting and it felt like they flew by. I read the book years and years ago and really enjoyed it as an exemplum of hostility towards women but I'll be goddamned if this subject matter isn't both necessary and even more chilling today than it was when I read it nearly 15 years back. I also had no idea Yvonne Strahovski could do some actual acting. That was real cool and nice to see.
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Militant atheism can be annoying but given they're 100% correct I can't complain too much. So excited to watch the first 3 Handmaid's Tale eps!!!
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JUICY HAMBUGAR posted:Its soooo good. Yes. Chance, starring Hugh Laurie, is a really great slow-burn modern noir. I really liked it, but its pacing might nor be for everyone. Shut Eye, with Jeffrey Donovan, Angus Sampson, and David Zayas, is a serialized drama about a con artist working as a fortune teller for a Romani crime family. It's pretty solid, but its depiction of Gypsies may be problematic. Angus Sampson is really great as the Gyspsy crime boss, though. Of the two, I think Chance is the better show, but it's slower. Shut Eye is more accessible. Both shows run a lean 10 episodes.
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Jack Gladney posted:Are there still commercials? That always kept me from using it. That and Hulu being the studios' response to PROTECT IP failing. It's 3-4 additional dollars per month for no commercials. So I pay like 12 dollars a month for all their stuff with no commercials. Whether that's a good deal for you probably depends on your other sources of media. I don't have cable, so Hulu is basically the only place I see shows the day after they air. That makes it my primary "currently airing" show watching solution. edit: v I've never even heard of those. So, maybe? Snak fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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