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JeffersonClay posted:Obamacare is a federal insurance program subsidized by rich people taxes. It just doesn't have a public option. A public insurance option wouldn't stop Wall Street from indefinitely profiting from sick people, though. It would limit it. Which is a good start.
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I don't disagree. If private companies don't provide sufficient plans for the exchanges, the government will have no choice but to offer a public option, or to just nationalize the whole thing. I would not be surprised if Obama makes exactly that point.
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Apr 27, 2017 03:20
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Do insurance companies even care about that. Aetna pulled out of profitable markets in order to hurt Obama on purpose because his FCC didn't approve their merger. It seems to me that insurance companies care a lot more about getting Republicans elected because that's good for next year's profits, and not so much about their long-term profitability because that's some other future CEO's problem.
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Apr 27, 2017 03:34
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JeffersonClay posted:I don't disagree. If private companies don't provide sufficient plans for the exchanges, the government will have no choice but to offer a public option, or to just nationalize the whole thing. I would not be surprised if Obama makes exactly that point. Can't wait to see a transcript or the video so we can find out!
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Apr 27, 2017 03:42
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Ze Pollack posted:"Things ARE getting better!" Hey now, come on, the median wage hasn't been static for the past decade... adjusted for inflation, it's actually gone down. And that's before you account for the fact that the amount of money stolen from workers annually in the form of wage theft now exceeds the total amount stolen in all other forms of theft combined.
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Apr 27, 2017 03:58
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Sorry fellas false alarm lol https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/857422428775043072
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gtrmp posted:And that's before you account for the fact that the amount of money stolen from workers annually in the form of wage theft now exceeds the total amount stolen in all other forms of theft combined. Wait, what? Could I get a cite for that?
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So will the democrats vote yes on tax cuts? Seems like a quagmire if they were to vote no. Everyone hates taxes, so tax cuts are a great public opinion spinner. It seems likely that this tax reform may create a masive influx of consumer spending, i mean im buying a loving house the day after these cuts come. How many people would upgrade their standard of livinging with 15% more $$
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LeoMarr posted:So will the democrats vote yes on tax cuts? Seems like a quagmire if they were to vote no. Everyone hates taxes, so tax cuts are a great public opinion spinner. It seems likely that this tax reform may create a masive influx of consumer spending, i mean im buying a loving house the day after these cuts come. How many people would upgrade their standard of livinging with 15% more $$
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LeoMarr posted:So will the democrats vote yes on tax cuts? Seems like a quagmire if they were to vote no. Everyone hates taxes, so tax cuts are a great public opinion spinner. It seems likely that this tax reform may create a masive influx of consumer spending, i mean im buying a loving house the day after these cuts come. How many people would upgrade their standard of livinging with 15% more $$ lmao enjoy your tax increase when you can't write off state and local
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Kilroy posted:I'm going to use the tax savings to buy some saplings I can plant and later harvest for timber to be made into guillotines. Pff, land-owning bougie bastard
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Apr 27, 2017 07:49
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Oh yeah, and the tax cuts are almost certainly going to balloon the deficit, which led to further cuts more than the ones that are planned (in all honesty they will probably be directed to SS/Medicare). Then you always have the looming possibility of another incoming recession in a year or two. So you got the Democrats actively trying to sabotage portions of their own party, Obama taking "not-a-bribe" from Wall Street and Trump laying the ground for a future catastrophe 2-3 years from now. Yeah, American politics are completely salvageable.
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Ardennes posted:Oh yeah, and the tax cuts are almost certainly going to balloon the deficit, which led to further cuts more than the ones that are planned (in all honesty they will probably be directed to SS/Medicare). Then you always have the looming possibility of another incoming recession in a year or two. So he was playing 12 dimensional chess after all, to get ultra wealthy.
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gohmak posted:So he was playing 12 dimensional chess after all, to get ultra wealthy. i wouldn't call shielding bankers from prosecution for 8 years and trying to gut social security 12 dimensional chess. he's certainly a lot smarter than hillary though cause he realized he had to hide his vile ideology or he wouldn't get elected
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Condiv posted:i wouldn't call shielding bankers from prosecution for 8 years and trying to gut social security 12 dimensional chess. he's certainly a lot smarter than hillary though cause he realized he had to hide his vile ideology or he wouldn't get elected The main difference between Obama and Hillary is that when someone says "voters won't care if you do this, just do it and then stonewall until the reporters stop asking about it" Obama doesn't listen
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Obama is also able to pull off dumb jokes and stuff while Hillary comes off mega awkward whenever she tries to be funny or connect with the kids at all.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao enjoy your tax increase when you can't write off state and local When the democrats do this theyll lose another 200 seats in local governances.
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Kilroy posted:I'm going to use the tax savings to buy some saplings I can plant and later harvest for timber to be made into guillotines. Save some for spikes so we can display the severed heads.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Legalize it! Worked for Justin Trudeau. (I voted NDP  )
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Can't wait to see a transcript or the video so we can find out! Yeah, the defense of Obama doing this rests entirely on supposition. It's not a terribly convincing case, and no matter what he said to them, it's still a bad look. That said, if this turns out to just be a one-off thing for Obama, I think he'll still be able to play a constructive role in rebuilding the party going forward.
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My favorite part about the report that Trump is about to pull out of NAFTA is watching neo-cons and http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/26/white-house-nafta-withdraw-trump-237632
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Apr 27, 2017 17:08
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How many politicians willing to speak to folks from Wall Street for fat stacks of cash only do it once, though? I might be totally incorrect, but it seems like a well that is repeatedly dipped into.
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Call Me Charlie posted:My favorite part about the report that Trump is about to pull out of NAFTA is watching neo-cons and He's said he's not going to do it, at least for now. Which is A Good Thing, because A, we need to renegotiate, not completely withdraw from it; and B, Trump is a Faulknerian idiot manchild who shouldn't be negotiating anything of consequence.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:How many politicians willing to speak to folks from Wall Street for fat stacks of cash only do it once, though? I might be totally incorrect, but it seems like a well that is repeatedly dipped into. twodot fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Ardennes posted:Oh yeah, and the tax cuts are almost certainly going to balloon the deficit, which led to further cuts more than the ones that are planned (in all honesty they will probably be directed to SS/Medicare). Then you always have the looming possibility of another incoming recession in a year or two. I don't know how people have faith that political reform is possible. It really is just faith, too, as there are very few indicators of reform being feasible through typical political channels.
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:I don't know how people have faith that political reform is possible. It really is just faith, too, as there are very few indicators of reform being feasible through typical political channels. There are avenues towards reform that involve violence (e.g. Eat The Rich), but I think we can all agree that before taking this route, we should stick to the accepted political method of telling people to kill themselves on line
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:I don't know how people have faith that political reform is possible. It really is just faith, too, as there are very few indicators of reform being feasible through typical political channels. The best case scenario would be a relatively bloodless revolt where the population just refuses to cooperate anymore. I do have to say "traditional" forms of activism and involvement though the mainstream of the Democratic Party or organizations that back it may actively be counter-productive at this point. I don't see anything changing really meaningful changing through our ballot boxes. Hell, even the argument that we need to keep the whole system going is getting pretty weak since the democrats refuse to win elections at this point. It is pretty stomach turning at this point to go back to election-day 2008 and watch those crowds in Chicago, pretty much ever bit of optimism was responded to with completely cynicism and greed.
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Seeing people defend the obama speech thing is surreal. It's payment for services rendered to the financial services industry plain and simple, and anyone denying it is a shill or up their own woke rear end to an insane extent.
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There's people on twitter defending it on woke terms ("you want a black man to work for free? that's slavery!").
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It must be weird to be so woke you forget that intersectionality exists.
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Wuhao posted:I'm considering picking the book up, sounds neat. What kind of advice did Bill offer? "Talk to white working class people"
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"Pretend the working class actually matters."
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bill basically was being old school politics who relies on "instincts" and talking to people to figure out public opinion, whereas Hillary's team relied on models for everything The middle ground is polling, but Mook was super nervous about money even though he literally had like 100s millions so he didn't poll the rustbelt states enough before election day because the models were suppose to substitute for polls and feels, and yeah the models turned out to be wrong
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Cerebral Bore posted:It must be weird to be so woke you forget that intersectionality exists. Intersectionality is yet another academic term the Internet misuses all the time It's supposed to mean "I need to remember that there are all kinds of issues and disadvantaged groups in the world, and privilege is a complex multidimensional system" it is frequently used to mean "you, the person I am talking to, need to stop whining about your poo poo and pay more attention to my poo poo" y'know, the opposite of its intended meaning
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Ardennes posted:The best case scenario would be a relatively bloodless revolt where the population just refuses to cooperate anymore. This. America's population is going to either get poo poo on forever otherwise. Sethex fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Private citizen Barack Obama is free to make $400,000 speeches to wall st. He's also free to punch the Democratic Party in the dick that is currently suffering an image problem of being a bunch of corporate shills, and that is what he is doing. Obama said he wanted to develop the next generation of leaders within the party, and taking a burlap sack full of corporate Money undermines that goal, unless of course that's what the democrats really stand for. It is
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tekz posted:Seeing people defend the obama speech thing is surreal. Especially with arguments so illogical and insane that it makes you doubt your own sanity to read them. Like the "the more evil someone is, the better it is for politicians to get on their payroll because by getting on the take they're impoverishing the most evil people in the world" argument. Every time I see it I have to reread it a few times because I'm briefly afraid I've gone mad and my brain is just hallucinating those words, but no somehow another sentient human being actually believes this or at least is willing to pretend to on the internet rather than admit their team is doing something bad. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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Apr 28, 2017 02:56
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But the banks payed all that money back. With interest! What a coworker told me today
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It's very easy to understand the "he's making them poorer" when you realize that the neoliberal mindset isn't that employees create wealth but that they're actually a burden that the capitalist class is being charitable to let leech on their profits. It's just rare for liberals to tap into that so openly.
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Agnosticnixie posted:It's very easy to understand the "he's making them poorer" when you realize that the neoliberal mindset isn't that employees create wealth but that they're actually a burden that the capitalist class is being charitable to let leech on their profits. It's just rare for liberals to tap into that so openly. Huh, I never really considered that but it does make a lot of positions make much more sense.
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