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Getting out of perma-lurk mode to remind you that Vox Pop Labs, the creators of Vote Compass, are responsible for mydemocracy.ca... Granted they most likely had very specific requests, the loaded questions and overall design was sufficiently flawed to cast doubt on the Vote Compass. Indeed, for the past several elections the grid placement of parties, at least to me, seemed a little off when I compared their platforms. Maybe you guys have better insight. /Goingbacktohiding
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So if I wanted to pump the tires of a real leadership candidate without wanting to win myself or having to follow fundraising rules, could I just run, spend whatever I could, then withdraw and endorse the guy I want to win?
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Apr 27, 2017 13:10
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flakeloaf posted:So if I wanted to pump the tires of a real leadership candidate without wanting to win myself or having to follow fundraising rules, could I just run, spend whatever I could, then withdraw and endorse the guy I want to win? Yeah but if you create some Bernie Bros-type fans your plan might backfire.
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Apr 27, 2017 14:29
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flakeloaf posted:So if I wanted to pump the tires of a real leadership candidate without wanting to win myself or having to follow fundraising rules, could I just run, spend whatever I could, then withdraw and endorse the guy I want to win? I guess if you don't mind having "failed joke candidate for a joke party" following you around for the next decade, which KOL probably doesn't. It would be hilarious if this was a Machiavellian plan to funnel funds to Maxime Bernier of all people though.
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Apr 27, 2017 14:32
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BC election is May 9th and the Conservative leadership vote is May 27th. Next up is the NDP leadership vote in October? It's a dry few months for Canadian campaigning
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I'm torn. Do I want the most sane and sensible CPC candidate to become leader, or the craziest? The sane one would have a higher chance of actually forming a government, but would hopefully be the least-worst of them all in the job. The other is the most un-electable, but if they did win... 
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Apr 27, 2017 15:48
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cowofwar posted:In BC Greens seem to have the best platform. The Green platform is pretty good, though the Greens have the advantage that long shot third parties have, in that they are able to take more political risks and get away with it. For example I can't help but notice that the NDP housing platform is very careful not to directly propose a policy that would directly tax housing or would directly result in people losing equity. This is a bit peculiar as from following the housing debate, their MLA David Eby has been one of the top guys on criticizing speculative housing investment. My opinion is that the NDP are being careful and probably trying to ensure they're not exposed to any attacks on the Liberals as a party that would cause voters' houses to plunge in value. This results in a housing platform that feels like it's holding back and a bit vague. There are some parts of the Green platform that feel like they've just taken what the NDP did, but simply promised more of. That's a smart strategy if you're the third place party so I don't blame them for that. In general I'd be happy to have the Green platform implemented, but there are a few parts I'm concerned about. The platform proposes raising the carbon tax quite a bit and they've stated they're abandoning revenue neutrality in favour of green investments, but the platform is very unclear about how they'd mitigate the negative impacts on people that may have no ability to change their behaviour and use less carbon. That's a real problem. There was a moment in the debate where Clark was going to ask Weaver about this and I was really interested to hear Weaver's answer, but due to the wild debate format he was constantly talking over her and prevented her from asking. I'm a bit weary of the government using carbon tax money to fund 'green economy' projects and research. I have to agree with the BC Liberals on this one. With the tax in place, these companies are incentivized to be doing this research and development anyway and so I don't see why the government needs to be involved here. This seems like a scenario where taxpayer money could be wasted and used ineffectively. Decent platform aside, the main thing I'm concerned about is the party and their priorities. After Weaver I don't have a good sense of who else is there, and I'm concerned they'll focus too much on climate issues to the detriment of other important files. The environment is really important to me, but it's not my top issue.
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Apr 27, 2017 16:12
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I'm torn. Do I want the most sane and sensible CPC candidate to become leader, or the craziest? Still cheering for the sanest, would rather see civilized debate between 3 sane leaders in Parliament then some clown show rear end in a top hat talk about how everyone should have guns for self-defense and that article is FAKE NEWS, LOW ENERGY
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Apr 27, 2017 16:17
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DariusLikewise posted:Still cheering for the sanest, would rather see civilized debate between 3 sane leaders in Parliament then some clown show rear end in a top hat talk about how everyone should have guns for self-defense and that article is FAKE NEWS, LOW ENERGY Yeah, as much as I'd like to think that crazy would scare people away from the CPC, you'd be surprised how many people can excuse such behaviour. Assuming all else is equal, I'd rather not give crazy a platform (cf. "Donald Trump will never win").
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Apr 27, 2017 16:21
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I'm torn. Do I want the most sane and sensible CPC candidate to become leader, or the craziest? Given recent events south of the border, give me the sanest one please
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Apr 27, 2017 16:24
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HappyHippo posted:Given recent events south of the border, give me the sanest one please I'd love to say something along the lines of "Canadian's aren't that dumb", but, yeah...
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Apr 27, 2017 16:25
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I'm personally hoping that we can get a complete lunatic Conservative Monster elected, with the hope of loving over the Liberals and making everyone as disgusted with them as they are with the Democrats next door. Obviously that'd never work, Canadians aren't able to remember anything longer than a few years ago and even if they were are too easily tricked by obvious lies by people like the Liberals, but it's still a nice thought. I'm definitely voting Conservative out of spite either way, though.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:22
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ChairMaster posted:I'm personally hoping that we can get a complete lunatic Conservative Monster elected, with the hope of loving over the Liberals and making everyone as disgusted with them as they are with the Democrats next door. Hooray accelerationism.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:29
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ChairMaster posted:I'm personally hoping that we can get a complete lunatic Conservative Monster elected, with the hope of loving over the Liberals and making everyone as disgusted with them as they are with the Democrats next door. That's a lot of stupid concentrated into one post
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Apr 27, 2017 17:32
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ChairMaster posted:I'm personally hoping that we can get a complete lunatic Conservative Monster elected, with the hope of loving over the Liberals and making everyone as disgusted with them as they are with the Democrats next door. You're not very smart, are you?
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Apr 27, 2017 17:32
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ChairMaster posted:
Ah, I see you are unfamiliar with fast ferries!
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Apr 27, 2017 17:33
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Accelerationism implies that there's a chance of it working out in the end, I don't even care anymore. Let the Conservatives run this stupid place into the ground for the next 30 years or so until America annexes us, who gives a poo poo? My life is gonna suck either way, may as well spread the misery. e: T.C. posted:Ah, I see you are unfamiliar with fast ferries! poo poo, good point.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:36
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ChairMaster posted:Accelerationism implies that there's a chance of it working out in the end, I don't even care anymore. Let the Conservatives run this stupid place into the ground for the next 30 years or so until America annexes us, who gives a poo poo? My life is gonna suck either way, may as well spread the misery. Holy gently caress seek therapy.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:36
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First world naive adolescent anarchy. You might not consider your life to be awesome but it could be a lot worse.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:42
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Every time I feel some sort of 1st world angst I just go and flush my toilet. Now that's luxury!
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Please stop posting Please get help
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cowofwar posted:First world naive adolescent anarchy. Only one way to find out! Vote Conservative and try to make me regret their victory!
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Apr 27, 2017 17:47
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ChairMaster posted:Only one way to find out! Vote Conservative and try to make me regret their victory! Shut the gently caress up, stop posting, and go get therapy.
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Congratulations, you made the 1000th post telling me to get therapy, (even though like 950 of them were posted by you) the prize is that I keep posting and never get therapy! I don't get why you guys are so hostile to the idea that letting this country burn is much easier and more fulfilling than trying to pretend like there's anything worth saving or any chance of any of your hard work mattering or making a positive difference. Between voting for the Conservatives or the conservatives or the unelectable dipshits or the unelectable wifi conspiracy theorists, you should just pick the honest choice and vote Conservative.
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this is like the other side of the slacktivism coin or the same side? I don't know.
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Because "letting this country burn" is going to disproportionately hurt people less privileged than you and it's a naive stupid worthless opinion. Shut the gently caress up for the love of god, and get therapy (1001!).
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Apr 27, 2017 17:58
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Happiness is all relative anyways, dawg. Maybe if we gently caress over millions of people less privileged than me i'll end up better off. Most of the posters in this thread are straight white people, you can join me in loving over everyone including ourselves for the rest of forever! It'll probably be more successful than trying to help people or make the world a better place!
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Apr 27, 2017 18:00
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I think instead of therapy you should advance your accelerationist agenda through self harm.
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I have to admit, if we handed this country back over to the CPC at least the guy wearing the boot that's stamping our faces forever won't be telling me I'm a horrible monster for wanting to go shoot skeet at the sand pits once in a while.
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ChairMaster posted:Happiness is all relative anyways, dawg. Maybe if we gently caress over millions of people less privileged than me i'll end up better off. Most of the posters in this thread are straight white people, you can join me in loving over everyone including ourselves for the rest of forever! It'll probably be more successful than trying to help people or make the world a better place! Okay, now you're just trolling.
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Accelerationism is predicated on the idea that the worst outcomes of bad governance will happen to other people. Either you're wrong and you burn with the rest, or you're right and you're just an rear end in a top hat.
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I'm just looking for different avenues to convince people to do the wrong thing, I think at their core everyone of my generation knows that there's no positive future in store for us or anyone else, and most people just have trouble admitting it. Sometimes looking at things from a different angle can help you accept the truth.
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ChairMaster posted:I'm just looking for different avenues to convince people to do the wrong thing, I think at their core everyone of my generation knows that there's no positive future in store for us or anyone else, and most people just have trouble admitting it. Sometimes looking at things from a different angle can help you accept the truth. Actually self driving cars and vertical farming are going to solve all our problems. A technocrat told me in a TED talk everything's going to be great if we just support innovators.
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I used to think accelerationism would result in a critical mass that leads to a more economically left and progressive backlash. Then Donald Trump got elected and his supporters doubled down on supporting him while the democrats doubled down on being the same milquetoast, limp wristed, corrupt and neoliberal-lite party they've always been. Knowing this means I get to choose between AIDS and Cholera as my political choice.
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'because I'm not benefitting, no one is'. You don't need therapy, you're just ignorant and myopic. Grow up. Actually leave the Island like you said you were going to and go see some of these other people, in other places, that you're so sure are just as callous and misanthropic as you.
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Kraftwerk posted:I used to think accelerationism would result in a critical mass that leads to a more economically left and progressive backlash. Then Donald Trump got elected and his supporters doubled down on supporting him while the democrats doubled down on being the same milquetoast, limp wristed, corrupt and neoliberal-lite party they've always been. Aren't you in Toronto?
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Kraftwerk posted:I used to think accelerationism would result in a critical mass that leads to a more economically left and progressive backlash. Then Donald Trump got elected and his supporters doubled down on supporting him while the democrats doubled down on being the same milquetoast, limp wristed, corrupt and neoliberal-lite party they've always been. Accelerationism, at best, assumes that the adage of Westerners being "three meals a day away from revolution" a) holding true, and the b) assuming it'll be a revolution that actually benefits the people. For (a), we've seen even the poorest people convince themselves that things aren't really that bad, or a change in status quo could be even worse. For (b), we've had world wars predicated on blaming the entire people completely, so I don't hold my breath for that one, either.
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Don't you guys want to the the end of things for real? Are you really content to let the status quo slide so very very slowly into the future we know is coming? To elect Hillary Clinton and Justin Trudeau and let them slowly siphon money and power into the hands of the people who already have more of it than they could ever need while we stand idly by and watch all our predictions come true over the course of our entire lives? Don't you want to see Donald Trump fire nukes at whoever he feels like? Don't you want to see the Conservatives dismantle all social supports and environmental agencies in the country and let the oligarchs turn entire provinces into the pits of Mordor in the search of petty resources we don't even need anymore? What do we have to lose that isn't already doomed? Dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed isn't just a funny phrase from a weird old videogame, it's a wonderfully freeing way of looking at the world. This is what the internet was invented for, to observe and chronicle the end of society! ChairMaster fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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ChairMaster posted:Don't you guys want to the the end of things for real? Are you really content to let the status quo slide so very very slowly into the future we know is coming? To elect Hillary Clinton and Justin Trudeau and let them slowly siphon money and power into the hands of the people who already have more of it than they could ever need while we stand idly by and watch all our predictions come try over the course of our entire lives? Don't you want to see Donald Trump fire nukes at whoever he feels like? Don't you want to see the Conservatives dismantle all social supports and environmental agencies in the country and let the oligarchs turn entire provinces into the pits of Mordor in the search of petty resources we don't even need anymore? What do we have to lose that isn't already doomed? I'm quoting this for when you inevitably get committed, or if your future therapist wants evidence of how hosed up you are.
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As if I would ever edit out any of my posts from the CanPol threads. You've seen the two-or-three-year-old ones people keep quoting at me all the time, they're certainly at least as incriminating as that one.
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