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Why would people ever watch beyond the initial teaser/1st trailer? Like, in the age of the internet, the ultimate lifespoiling bullshit marketing mechanism, if you ever cared about being surprised by narrative storytelling why would you push the giant red button?
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Apr 27, 2017 05:11
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:There's no evidence for it in the movie, but Spartans IRL were some massive pieces of poo poo on just about every level. Defending their home meant defending a massive enslavement project and some really brutal politics even by the standards of the day. They were better than average fighters, but barely good enough to hold what territory they had, let alone expand, and eventually their society fractured because of stupid dick-wavery infighting among the ruling class (iirc). It wasn't a matter of the Spartans not being good enough to hold their territory. There just weren't enough of them, and their racial purity rules prevented them from increasing their population. They coasted for a long while on the back of auxiliary armies, but the elite Spartan forces were inevitably in constant decline.
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Apr 27, 2017 08:34
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FCKGW posted:Am I the only one who forgets everything they see in the trailers anyways so I don't care about spoilers? It's just you and the guy they based Memento on.
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Apr 27, 2017 09:39
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:There's no evidence for it in the movie, but Spartans IRL were some massive pieces of poo poo on just about every level. Defending their home meant defending a massive enslavement project and some really brutal politics even by the standards of the day. They were better than average fighters, but barely good enough to hold what territory they had, let alone expand, and eventually their society fractured because of stupid dick-wavery infighting among the ruling class (iirc). I would say that the establishing shot and narration: Of an old man holding a baby over a pit filled with children's skulls as the narration explains that the spartans dont accept physical imperfection or sicklyness; Is atleath some evidence of them being considered les then great by the film itself. All the rest of the film does use shot compsition to place them as the difiant righteous underdogs, but is still the biased re-telling of a spartan himself. I guess the doubt would be: is knowlege of that bias enought to justify filming its subjects as good and grand ? Is it irresponsible of the film maker to not go further with the implications of what the spartans actually are?
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Apr 27, 2017 12:47
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Why would people ever watch beyond the initial teaser/1st trailer? Like, in the age of the internet, the ultimate lifespoiling bullshit marketing mechanism, if you ever cared about being surprised by narrative storytelling why would you push the giant red button? Because I like spoilers?
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Apr 27, 2017 15:03
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Why would people ever watch beyond the initial teaser/1st trailer? Like, in the age of the internet, the ultimate lifespoiling bullshit marketing mechanism, if you ever cared about being surprised by narrative storytelling why would you push the giant red button? Be part of the conversation, and if you're like me, the trailers you want to avoid usually get shown in front of other movies anyway.
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Apr 27, 2017 15:28
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Mr. Squishy posted:It's just you and the guy they based Memento on. nice.
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Apr 27, 2017 16:34
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FCKGW posted:Am I the only one who forgets everything they see in the trailers anyways so I don't care about spoilers? Usually I do too if I only watch the trailer/teaser once.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:11
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Watching trailers is lots of fun and a completely different experience from watching a movie, I don't mind stuff being spoiled in them. A movie is more than its plot beats.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:23
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:Watching trailers is lots of fun and a completely different experience from watching a movie, I don't mind stuff being spoiled in them. A movie is more than its plot beats. I don't care much about knowing the plot, but I've definitely seen a bunch of cool shots in trailers that I'd rather have experienced for the first time in context. Not that big a deal, though.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:30
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Jack's Flow posted:Yeah, it's everything I didn't want to know before seeing the actual movie. I feel the same but I'm also more likely to see the movie now after watching it. You win this time, marketing.
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Apr 27, 2017 17:43
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Bugblatter posted:This "prologue" is actually created from really spoilery excerpts from the second half of the film, judging by how it matches the leaks from way back. So, be warned if you're trying to avoid that kind of stuff. Just saw this, would you happen to have a link to these leaks? Seems weird that they'd call this a prologue if it's actually stuff from the second half of the film.
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Apr 27, 2017 18:16
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Because I like spoilers? But if you didn't...?, is what I'm saying.
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Apr 27, 2017 21:13
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my personal belief is that if spoiling ruins the movie for you then that movie wasn't good enough to begin with.
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Apr 27, 2017 21:32
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kiimo posted:my personal belief is that if spoiling ruins the movie for you then that movie wasn't good enough to begin with. Agreed. With a good movie it can only make it somewhat worse as a first experience, not totally ruin it. And who cares if their experience is better or worse as long as it's still okay?
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Apr 27, 2017 21:33
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kiimo posted:my personal belief is that if spoiling ruins the movie for you then that movie wasn't good enough to begin with. Interesting. I do not share that belief, sir.
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Apr 27, 2017 21:39
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kiimo posted:my personal belief is that if spoiling ruins the movie for you then that movie wasn't good enough to begin with. I liken it to someone loving up the punchline to a joke. In this case, the rhythm of the punchline is being diluted by the idiots who don't give a poo poo about the joke but only care about being the one credited with telling it to you first by spamming it in every thread they can think of.
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Apr 27, 2017 21:51
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For instance, I was spoiled for Pulp Fiction. Didn't matter. Spoiled for Matrix. Didn't matter. Spoiled for Episode I The Phantom Menace. didn't matter, for a different reason.
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Apr 27, 2017 21:52
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kiimo posted:For instance, I was spoiled for Pulp Fiction. Didn't matter. Spoiled for Matrix. Didn't matter. Spoiled for Episode I The Phantom Menace. didn't matter, for a different reason. Beleive it or not spoilers probably make you enjoy the story more http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797611417007
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Apr 27, 2017 21:53
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Glazier posted:Beleive it or not spoilers probably make you enjoy the story more Nope.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:05
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kiimo posted:For instance, I was spoiled for Pulp Fiction. Didn't matter. Spoiled for Matrix. Didn't matter. Spoiled for Episode I The Phantom Menace. didn't matter, for a different reason. I was spoiled for The Sixth Sense. Definitely mattered.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:09
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Glazier posted:Beleive it or not spoilers probably make you enjoy the story more http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2015-10440-001 and just because it didn't ruin the movie for you (that phrasing makes it kinda sound like it's either completely ruined or totally fine) doesn't mean it didn't lessen the potential enjoyment it's also probably not a good idea to generalize these studies to mean spoilers = bad or good. The studies indicate something much more specific than that But anyways, trailers can be cool whalestory fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Apr 27, 2017 |
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Apr 27, 2017 22:23
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whalestory posted:http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2015-10440-001 quote:An experiment (N = 368) tested these hypotheses and found that those low on need for cognition held a selective preference for spoiled stories, whereas individuals with a high need for affect enjoyed unspoiled stories more. In addition, fiction reading frequency was positively related to the enjoyment of unspoiled stories. So, apparently, kiimo, you just have a low need for cognition and aren't particularly literate.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:27
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My belief system prioritizes Ripley over science
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Apr 27, 2017 22:32
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Stupids don't mind spoilers. Could've told you that myself, saved you the time of citing garbage studies.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:34
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I had a roommate who would read through the Wikipedia summary of a movie as we were watching it. It used to drive me bonkers.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:45
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kiimo posted:my personal belief is that if spoiling ruins the movie for you then that movie wasn't good enough to begin with. My personal belief is that spoilers have different meanings to different people and you're a loving dick if you think your own opinion overrides that. Glazier posted:Beleive it or not spoilers probably make you enjoy the story more I loving love when people trot out this old chestnut as if it has any scientific merit whatsoever.
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Apr 27, 2017 22:47
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Sir Kodiak posted:I was spoiled for The Sixth Sense. Definitely mattered. That movie kind of doesn't stand up in my opinion. Wasn't spoiled, guessed the outcome, M Night is blah. Hakkesshu posted:My personal belief is that spoilers have different meanings to different people and you're a loving dick if you think your own opinion overrides that. George kills Lennie Finny dies
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Apr 27, 2017 23:25
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I don't get super bent out of shape about spoilers, but I do enjoy going in not knowing too much. You can watch a movie already knowing the plot as many times as you want, but you only get one chance to be surprised.
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Apr 27, 2017 23:32
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:I would say that the establishing shot and narration: Of an old man holding a baby over a pit filled with children's skulls as the narration explains that the spartans dont accept physical imperfection or sicklyness; Is atleath some evidence of them being considered les then great by the film itself. All the rest of the film does use shot compsition to place them as the difiant righteous underdogs, but is still the biased re-telling of a spartan himself. 300 is probably the most popular movie of the alt right. Racist doofuses are currently gathering in Berkely dressed up like actors in a Snyder movie as we type.
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Apr 27, 2017 23:33
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Shageletic posted:300 is probably the most popular movie of the alt right. Racist doofuses are currently gathering in Berkely dressed up like actors in a Snyder movie as we type. Now I'm imagining Stephen Colbert dressed in that outfit.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:05
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Shageletic posted:300 is probably the most popular movie of the alt right. Racist doofuses are currently gathering in Berkely dressed up like actors in a Snyder movie as we type. That they are stupid is not some great revelation, most of them "took the redpill", i.e. identified with but did not comprehend the liberation song of two trans women.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:10
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I have always wondered what it would feel like watching "Empire Strikes Back" without knowing the reveal, or even Terminator 2 after watching the first and not having seen any trailers. Just feels like you would get an extra level of enjoyment.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:16
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Shageletic posted:300 is probably the most popular movie of the alt right. Racist doofuses are currently gathering in Berkely dressed up like actors in a Snyder movie as we type. Sheeeit that's rly damning because if there's one group who's logic you can't fault it's gotta be racist doofuses in cosplay
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Apr 28, 2017 00:26
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ommega posted:I have always wondered what it would feel like watching "Empire Strikes Back" without knowing the reveal, or even Terminator 2 after watching the first and not having seen any trailers. Just feels like you would get an extra level of enjoyment. The best argument I've heard so far is T2. Walked in that theater unawares. Thinking he somehow survived the press.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:27
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It's just a cool first experience to have that's fundamentally changed by spoilers that you'll never get back. I'd rather not lose that, since if it was good enough I'd just rewatch it anyways for the "spoiled" experience (what comes to mind is the prestige)
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Apr 28, 2017 00:35
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I have a friend who reads entire plot summaries on Wikipedia before watching movies. Says that's the only way to know whether she'll like it.
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Apr 28, 2017 00:41
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Ok enough spoiler talk, let's talk about uh.... Cars 3? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LeOH9AGJQM
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Apr 28, 2017 00:50
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I'm not positive it's a reflection on the quality of the movie but the marketing for King Arthur is among the worst ive ever seen. It's nonsensical and confusing. A completely unintelligible and uninspiring mish mash of styles and narratives. Whoever did the campaign should be rewarded for a textbook example of how not to market a movie Now maybe the film is just poo poo (likely imo) and they're doing their best with what they were given but my god is it bad
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